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    Hi,

    My DS had a milk protein and soy intolerance when he was little. He grew out of it by about 1-1.5 years old.
    I also had a dairy intolerance when I was a baby and my Dad still has one.
    I've heard that if one of your children has an intolerance it's reasonably likely that other children will.
    So I'm wondering what to do with our next one due in October.

    Obviously we'll be more aware of the issue and better able to diagnose it, so I could just continue eating as normal and then cut out dairy and soy if I suspect something.

    But I'm thinking maybe it would be better to cut out all dairy and soy a month or so before my due date and then test them out individually when bubs is a month or two old and we've gotten to know each other better and gotten through the really early newborn stage.

    Does anyone have any ideas or advice?


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    Default Re: Advice on handling potential dairy/soy intolerance in second baby

    That's a really good question. It would probably be worth having a chat with someone like Joy Anderson - you can call or email her - to see what she thinks. It's one of those 'won't known till you do it' situations, I think, but sounds like there's a reasonable chance of another intolerance. All the best with your new baby

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    Default Re: Advice on handling potential dairy/soy intolerance in second baby

    i also looked into this question and didn't really find any evidence that eliminating triggers earlier was beneficial, but i am interested to hear if you find differently. my first 2 were intolerant to dairy, 2nd more extreme and for longer, but #3 hasn't shown symptoms of intolerance at 5 months. i haven't started solids yet, and will prob delay dairy, but i am not that worried bc the others showed symptoms from early early.

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    Thanks onthefly I might send her an email.
    Interesting to hear HotI. And great that your DD2 hasn't had any trouble with it. I haven't heard anything either about benefits of eliminating triggers earlier. Almost to the contrary, I've read that eliminating triggers during the pregnancy increases the chance of allergy and intolerance. I was just thinking I'd rather not have a baby who's in pain from dairy/soy again and then have to wait 2 weeks for it to leave my system completely (at least this time I won't go months wondering if it could be dairy and being told no it probably isn't only to discover that it actually is). I also thought the reaction might be harder to judge in a really newborn.

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    Hi, I thought I'd just post in here to let anyone interested know what I did and how it went.
    I decided to stop all dairy and soy 3 weeks before my due date so it would hopefully be out of my system before baby arrived and I started breastfeeding.
    I did this mainly cause I thought it would be easier to start without them and then test to see if he reacted.
    When DS2 was about 5 weeks old I started having dairy. I would have tried it a week or two earlier but we were all sick. By this point I'd got to know him pretty well and he was a very calm and happy baby with no signs of the problems DS1 had which turned out to be due to the allergies.
    DS2 was a bit unsettled the first afternoon and seriously in pain the second day. He had lots of tummy pain and also started wheezing and getting a bit of an all over body rash. So I stopped with the dairy. The next day was even worse for him but after that he quickly returned to his normal calm happy self.
    So I'm pretty sure that he is allergic to dairy like DS1 was, though I'm tempted to try it again just to be sure (maybe see if he'll tolerate me having any dairy at all like bread with milk in it or something like that).
    I really enjoyed having a baby who wasn't suffering and being able to easily test for the allergy.

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    Thanks for bumping, nyigi. DS, me and my dad all had dairy intolerance as youngsters but grew out of it age 7. However, younger siblings didn't have it. Don't know if Stormageddon will or not, but will follow your plan and go goat from 37w onward and try cow later.

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    That is a great plan.

    My #3 has shown some sensitivity to dairy when she has it directly (now on solids), but was ok with it through the breastmilk.

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    Good luck Ca Plane hopefully stormy doesnt have any trouble.

    Pity your #3 has started to show sensitivity HotI, but nice she didn't have a problem with it through the breast milk.

    I was amazed at ds2's reaction. He was like a different baby and so much like his older brother. It made me feel really sad guilty and sorry again that we didn't pick up ds1's issues with food earlier.

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    Took me til 20m to sort Liebling's intolerance, and only identified mine at the same time. I reckon that 20m of suffering is nowt compared to the 7y I remember having. Well done me.

    I really don't go in for mummy guilt! Nor should you, as you clearly did what was best and sorted things as quickly as possible.

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    Nah I know I did the best I could. It was more just a "oh what might have been" moment . How much nicer a time we all might have had. But done is done and I'm so glad we don't have to do it again with ds2. And who knows maybe ds1 would have been a screamy nonsleeping intense baby anyway. You never know

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    I had no idea that the likelihood of having subsequent children with mspi was so high or I would have cut it out prior as well. Little Miss Z is presenting the same symptoms that X did and it's breaking my heart to see her suffer while we wait for my diet changes to lead to improvement. Are there any Australian support groups for mspi? It would be nice to have a one stop resource to look up for foods off the shelf we can eat without worry

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    Oh sorry to hear your little one is having trouble. Hope she recovers speedily as your diet changes start to have impact!
    Yeah I remember a short comment about subsequent children in the pamphlet we got when DS1 was finally diagnosed so I looked into it and while I couldn't find anything that gave a number for the likelihood that a subsequent child would have the same problem lots of people agreed it was fairly likely so I thought I'd just cut it out for a while to make it easier to check.
    Would be nice if it was more advertised or if we knew how likely it really was. There was no mention of it from any of my care providers during the pregnancy or anything.
    It's not so hard to cut out something for a while if it's likely to be an issue.
    Sorry I don't know of any groups in Australia. I'm in the Netherlands now and the doctors gave me a list of foods off the shelf that were safe but really all the other mothers of children with sensitivities/allergies to dairy that I've talked to here have switched to specialised formula rather than make dietary changes...

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    There were no pamphlets when Master 6 was diagnosed, or I never got any and due to doctors moving around, the continuity of care got left behind. I did find it too hard back then to change my diet, I guess I was selfish really in hindsight. I often regretted ending the bf journey so early with him, I refuse to give it up this time. If I had the time I'd research and make the resource but alas the hands are super full.

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    How are you going Sair?
    Wish I knew of some resources to send you but none of mine are aus based.
    I found the first month or so the hardest. It definitely gets easier. You've just got to work out the safe products, find replacements for things, and build up a new batch of recipes and meal plans.
    I've thought about writing a blog or building some sort of resource, but as you said my plate is a bit too full.
    Pm me if you want to share ideas etc.
    Wishing you all the best.
    Got to go help the kids now...

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    Thanks nyigi. I was selfish and had dairy and soy products yesterday and paid for it last night and today. I was hoping it was oversupply but proof is in the mucousy poos and screams of agony. I was hoping it was just oversupply because she has such fast weight gain which is unlike mspi, I'm thinking its a combo. Back to dairy and soy free for me.

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    Oh well I guess it was a good test
    I think mine's got more of a problem with soy, reactions are pretty fast and more intense than with dairy, but definitely reacting to both.
    Both of my boys have gained weight really quickly too, maybe that's why the docs didn't suggest mspi with ds1... but I definitely had oversupply with him too. Much less so with ds2 thankfully.

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    I get the really painful and strong letdown, I'm now drinking peppermint tea to try and reduce the supply a little, not game to try sage tea.

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    I hope it helps!
    I remember I'd hit the wall on the opposite side of the room with ds1. I didn't know about the tea so I just let it spray onto a cloth for a bit till it had calmed down a little and did block feeding (probably too much actually) eventually it calmed down...

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