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    I received this into my inbox, I dont know if the links connected to it will work below as I just cut and pasted it, its a petition on I really dont feel good after reading this... I wish I had known earlier. the petition is on

    They stand until their legs swell and they can?t walk, and they perform repetitive motions on the production line for so long that some permanently lose the use of their hands.
    According to the New York Times, that?s what life is like for people working at a factory in Shenzhen, China, where Apple manufactures iPhones, iPads and other devices. To cut costs, managers even make workers use cheap chemicals that cause neurological damage.
    Apple is hyper-conscious of its brand and reputation -- so after this unprecedented international scrutiny, they?re scrambling to persuade the world they care about their employees. There?s never been a better time to demand Apple look after its employees.
    Mark Shields, a self-described member of the "cult of Mac," started a global petition on Change.orgdemanding Apple exert its influence on its suppliers to improve working conditions -- click here to sign Mark?s petition right now.
    Conditions are so bad, that there has been a rash of suicides at the Foxconn plant, and 300 workers recently threatened to jump off the roof over a safety and pay dispute.
    In short, as one former Apple executive told the New York Times, "Most people would be really disturbed if they saw where their iPhone comes from."
    But Apple knows it can play an important role in ensuring safe and fair working conditions for the workers at its suppliers, like Foxconn. Since 2005, the company has performed hundreds of audits of their Chinese suppliers -- exposing numerous violations.
    But that?s where Apple?s commitment falters: the number of supplier violations has held steady year to year and Apple hasn?t consistently publicly stated which suppliers have problems or dropped offending suppliers.
    Click here to sign Mark?s petition demanding Apple change the way it does business.
    The bottom line, Apple executives admit, is that they?re not being forced to change.
    One current executive told the New York Times that there?s a trade-off: "You can either manufacture in comfortable, worker-friendly factories," he said, or you can "make it better and faster and cheaper, which requires factories that seem harsh by American standards.
    And right now, customers care more about a new iPhone than working conditions in China."
    That means public pressure is the only thing that can force Apple to ensure its suppliers treat workers humanely. If enough people sign Mark?s petition -- and tell Apple they care more about human beings than they do about how fast the company can produce the next generation iPhone -- the company could be convinced to make real change for the workers at Foxconn and other factories. Sign the petition now.
    Thanks for being part of this,
    Nick and the team

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    I know
    I used to be a huge Apple fan until I read about their workers in China. I think the thing that really bugs me is that they keep getting busted and saying they'll fix it but then the next factory is just as bad. Organisations that want to change manage to do so. Nike is a great example - once they were a terrible offender when it came to the treatment of their workers now they are very transparent and pro-active when it comes to worker welfare.

    I don't know what I will do when this laptop dies because at the moment I can't see myself buying another apple. I won't buy an iPhone. Originally it was because of the camera but now it's other reasons.

    Meet the workers dying to meet your iPad 2 demand
    Asher Moses
    May 9, 2011

    Workers required to sign 'no-suicide' pacts
    Military style managers humiliate staff
    Standing up for over 14 hours a day
    Up to 100 hours overtime a month
    Wages as little as $186 a month

    If you're frustrated at being unable to buy an iPad 2, spare a thought for the Chinese workers who may never be able to afford one of the shiny new gadgets but are literally dying to get them out fast enough to meet Western demand.

    A new report into conditions at Apple's manufacturing partner, Foxconn, has found slave labour conditions remain, with staff complaining of being worked to tears, exposure to harmful disease, pay rates below those necessary to survive and military-style management that routinely humiliates workers.

    In compiling its report, Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour (SACOM) visited Foxconn factories in Shenzhen, Chengdu and Chongqing and interviewed 120 workers in March and April this year. SACOM is a non-profit Hong Kong-based organisation formed in 2005 to monitor and improve working conditions in Chinese factories.

    Following about 13 suicides at Foxconn factories last year, Apple visited China and concluded that Foxconn had taken appropriate measures to improve conditions. Despite this, SACOM in its research found that onerous and in some cases illegal working conditions remain.

    Workers required to sign no-suicide pacts
    Local and mainland Chinese university students play dead to highlight the cause of Apple factory workers.

    Local and mainland Chinese university students play dead to highlight the cause of Apple factory workers. Photo: AP

    Conditions at Foxconn's two Chengdu factories, which exclusively produce Apple iPads, were among the worst reported. While nets have been installed to catch suicidal workers, factory staff are reportedly required to sign "no-suicide" pacts which also give licence to Foxconn to institutionalise them if it sees fit.

    Workers at Chengdu say they are routinely humiliated and scolded by management. One was forced to stand in a corner with his hands behind his back because he giggled with a colleague. Others have been required to write confession letters to their supervisors after making mistakes and in some cases read the letters out in front of colleagues.

    "Some of my roommates weep in the dormitory. I want to cry as well but my tears have not come out," said 19-year-old Chengdu worker Chen Liming.
    May 7 was declared "Global Action Day" - a protest against Apple and conditions at Foxconn factories.

    May 7 was declared "Global Action Day" - a protest against Apple and conditions at Foxconn factories. Photo: AP

    Ah Ming, 19, who produces cases for the iPad, said he stands for at least 14 hours a day. He wakes up at 7am to queue for the bus to the factory and it is 9pm by the time he returns home every evening.

    "I [am] just like a robot repeating the same motion. I don't have to use my brain ... it's routine: sleep, work and eat," Ming said.

    Up to 100 hours of overtime a month

    Chinese labour laws stipulate that overtime should not exceed 36 hours a month but the report found that Foxconn workers routinely work 80-100 hours of overtime a month and in many cases are forced to work overtime to earn a liveable wage.

    This is on top of their regular 174 hours of work a month and many workers endure "continuous shifts" and so end up having to skip meals.

    "The machines in our department are in operation 24/7. If some colleagues go out for dinner, then the workers who stay in the workshop have to take care of three machines at the same time," one worker said.

    Workers complain that production targets keep rising and they are required to work faster and faster and are unable to talk. New workers have to undergo military-style training to make them used to standing up all day.

    "Foxconn always claims it adopts humane management, but it is military management in practice," an assistant to the line leader in Chengdu said.

    'My nostrils are totally black every day'

    The report also found that workers did not have adequate protections to safeguard against occupational health and safety issues such as aluminium dust and harsh reactions from chemicals used in the production process.

    "I'm breathing in dust at Foxconn just like a vacuum cleaner. My nostrils are totally black every day," one male worker said.

    Xiao Ying, 22, started working for Foxconn in mid-February and was responsible for removing excessive glue from iPad cases using industrial alcohol. She quickly developed a red rash on her legs, arms and face and had no idea how to fix it, even resorting to rubbing rice wine on the affected areas.

    Ying, who resigned in April, was also forced to stand up all day and had to bath her feet in hot water daily.

    "We have to queue up all the time. Queuing up for bus, toilet, card-punching, food, etc. During recess, we don't have a place to sit. We can only sit on the floor," Ying said.

    "We get up in early morning and can only return to the dorm in late evening. I am really worn out."

    The report found regional governments in China have few incentives to rectify issues as they are all fighting each other for Foxconn's investment in their communities. In fact, many of the Foxconn workers are recruited by government ads, which themselves have been labelled misleading as they advertise pay rates that are only achievable if significant overtime is worked.

    Surviving on $186 a month

    Foxconn last year promised to raise pay rates at its factories following public outrage. However, the report found that any increases were cancelled out by the fact that Foxconn now refuses to provide a separate food and housing allowance.

    Basic monthly salaries at Foxconn's Shenzhen, Chengdu and Chongqing factories are 1590 yuan ($228), 1300 yuan ($186) and 1350 yuan ($193), respectively. These wages are up to half the "living wage" in the areas, according to SACOM, leading many to work overtime.

    Even at these low salaries, Foxconn routinely fails to pay workers the amount they are owed.

    "I take care of about 100 workers in the production line. Every month, I have to report about 50 cases of underpayment to the human resources department," said an assistant to the frontline supervisor in Chengdu.

    The food is so bad at the staff canteen that one worker said he "almost vomited" after a meal. Workers are housed in overcrowded dorms, with six to 22 people sharing a room.

    "I never dreamed that I will buy an iPad, it may cost me two months' salary. I cannot afford it. I come from a village to sell my labour at Foxconn. All I want is to improve the living conditions of my family," one 24-year-old worker said.

    Apple has sold more than 20 million iPads and its chief operating officer Tim Cook said in a recent earnings call that the company had sold every single iPad it had been able to produce.

    Apple has yet to respond to the allegations in the SACOM report despite claims that the conditions in the factories breach the company's Supplier Code of Conduct.

    Foxconn told the Daily Mail that the conditions described were "not something we endorse or encourage" but the company "would not exclude that this might happen, given the diverse and large population of our workforce".

    "But we are working to change it," the Foxconn spokesman said.

    In a separate statement, Foxconn disputed the accuracy of the SACOM report.

    "We have made tremendous progress over the past year as we work to lead our industry in meeting the needs of the new generation of workers in China and that has been confirmed by the many customer representatives, outside experts, and reporters who have visited our facilities and openly met with our employees and our management team," Foxconn said.

    A typical day of a worker in Chengdu
    06.45 Wake up
    07.15 Queue up for bus
    07.40 Arrive at Foxconn (breakfast and punch card)
    08.10 Work assembly
    08.30 Work shift begins
    11.20 Lunch
    12.20 Work shift resumes
    17.20 Dinner
    18.20 Overtime shift begins
    20.20 Work shift ends
    21.00 Arrive at dormitory

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    I got that email today as well. I actually thought it was a scam until I googled it.

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    Jul 2009
    Riding it out...


    Oh, I was all psyched to get a Mac when our PC dies I think I'll have to look at something else now

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    I refuse to buy apple anymore, its disgusting ... How many other companies are out there like this

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    There are hundreds - nearly any large corporation and anyone who sells stuff for insanely low prices.

    It is possible to be an ethical consumer but it takes lots of research and impulse buys are pretty much off limits.
    Second hand is wonderful - you can get the product but without stimulating demand or adding to the companies' bottom line.

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    There's a list. And practically every single computer producing company is on it. Including Samsung and Microsoft.

    Sadly no one is immune It's very depressing.

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    Yeah, unfortunately if you own a piece of technology chances are it was produced the same way. The focus is on Apple because of the huge slice of the market they have. From a reporting point of view, Apple actually do better than many of their competitors. Which means at least you know where they're doing badly.

    Supply chains are the new human rights frontier. I'm working in this area atm. Although I feel like my chances of making a difference are slim!

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    Nov 2010


    This is horrible and makes me feel so guilty my son is getting an iPad for therapy purposes

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    The focus is on Apple because of the huge slice of the market they have. From a reporting point of view, Apple actually do better than many of their competitors.
    That's why anything I read about apple I take with a grain of salt. Because they pointed out because they are big. And when Microsoft were big they got pointed out too. There is always a bad guy and over the years I've noticed that the bad guy is not often the worst, just an easy target. That doesn't mean they don't need to change their practices. They do. They all do. And as much as I love apple I hope the bad rep pushes then in the right direction so everyone else is forced to follow.

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    I think the only way to avoid it is become a Luddite.

    Problem is, it's not just China and it's not just technology products

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    nothing2lose - I think we should all become ludites, realise the insanity behind technological progress, get off our facebooks and everything else, and get back into the real world... technology is separating us not bringing us together.

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    Jun 2003


    Oh I don't know. I have to disagree. I keep in better touch with long distance friends and family because of technology. I believe my VBAC happened because of the information that was available at my fingertips. I think we need to take more responsibility about how we spend our time and what our life priorities are. The people I know who's lives are solely dependent on technology are ones that wouldn't socialise normally in real life regardless. And I have friends who are even more antisocial than that and don't even use technology to socialise. We have grown and evolved. And just like cars and public transport have stopped us from being as physical as we once were we need to choose exercise. Just as we can choose not to eat convenience foods. And like this thread we can choose to make a difference with our consumables. It's all choice really.

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    Melb - where my coolness isn't seen as wierdness


    I think shining a spotlight on a company for bad work practices is a great thing. Companies SHOULD be held accountable for their decisions. Apple should change their manufacturing practices. Their involvement with Foxconn is a disgrace.

    But I think the focus on Apple quietly ignores the fact that Samsung and Microsoft and IBM among others also use Foxconn. If you want to feel sick about owning a product made under such bad practices, just take a look around your house. Your iPhone isn't the only thing that should make you feel sick. Try that xBox, or that TV, or that chip in your PC.

    I think it shows a greater disservice that the only company seeming to get burnt at the stake here is Apple. And the reason? 'Because they make the biggest profits'. But maybe it's me, but whether you make $1 profit or $0.10 profit off bad practices, you're still profiteering over bad practices and should be burned at the stake too. All the companies who use Foxconn should be named in the same breath. not as a side thought, if they're mentioned at all.

    And Apple may now change their work practices as a result of the focus on them, and even lose market share because of the publicity, but who is holding the other companies accountable in the meantime? So let's stop buying Apple and go buy a Windows machine instead?

    Except oops, Microsoft use the same company!

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