Gestational Diabetes Chatter #6

BD - so you get a surprise when you go for an appointment?! :lol: at least they're all qualified though :)

hope the food court didn't present too many problems! i have a friend with type 1 & she will inject anywhere - cafes, restaurants, bars...i've even seen her inject at the cricket! i love the reactions of people around her who obviously aren't familiar with diabetes :lol:

snowchickie79 - thanks for that :) i asked the ob & they said that my hospital doesn't automatically induce, but they go on a case by case basis but they do hope you can go into labour naturally. i guess i'm happy with that for now!

Hi Ladies,
Saw the diabetes educator on monday and feel better now that i at least have some info to read.She gave me my monitor, and took my BSL there and then (8.2...not good) but i havent been able to see the dietician as of yet, will see her this monday coming, so i'm pretty much playing things by ear at the moment, with a lot of guess work as to what i can and cant eat without my levels going too high. Have had some beauties too, day 3 was 5.1 after brekky, 10.2 after lunch and 5.4 after dinner... somehow i didnt think my salad sandwich at lunch was that bad...
I'm really hoping i can keep this under control with diet, as i'm not very big at 33 wks, and would prefer to keep bubs in there as long as possible, so hopefully no insulin. Will hopefully keep everyone updated as i go by, but am stuck with archaic dial up internet at the moment while i get a new modem, so posts will be few and far between.

Cheers

Hello ladies

Just dropping by to thank everyone here for keeping my sanity throughout my horrible, depressing GD experience. Thank you thank you thank you SOOO very much!

Gave birth to a healthy 3.3kg (7 pounds 7 oz) baby girl, Mia Dahlia at 4.30pm on 21.04.09. Went in for an induction at 8pm on 20.04.09 and had prostaglandin gels inserted at 9.45pm (no one told me those bl**dy internal exams HURT!! hated it soooo much!). Unfortunately it wasn't enough to make me dilate, though it kept me awake all night with backpains, so they tried again very early the next morning. By 10am I still wasn't dilating at all so they decided to break my waters with epidural.

Epidural went in and 15 mins later they break my waters (it still hurt a little, epidural hasn't fully kicked in, but not too bad). Then all I can remember is waiting and waiting and waiting. Midwife came in and sat in to monitor baby's heart rate. Only much much later I learned that baby's heart rate was constantly high. They're worried baby might be in distress.

4pm ob came in for a final bl**dy internal exam and confirmed I wasn't dilating at all. Only 1cm! They broke the news of suspecting baby might be in distress and they're gonna have to perform an emergency C-sect. At this point, I'd go for anything to deliver this baby! 4.30pm baby Mia Dahlia was born weighing 3.3kgs. Not too bad, eh? ;)

So now I've 6kgs to lose and trying to adjust to this new little bub in our family. Still a bit sore from surgery but recovering well. Baby's doing fine and my endo came in on the 2nd day after the birth to check my BSL levels. All in the low 7's yippee! Am still waiting for the GTT test to fully confirm if I'm over it. Hopefully it'll go away! *cross fingers*

Once again, thank you everyone here for your support, advise and well wishes :) Wouldn't have gone through this pregnancy without it. Especially this being my first pregnancy. Thank you again :) Those new with GD, I sincerely with you well and hope delivery will be a breeze for you. Hopefully it wouldn't feel like eternity like mine ;)

Gotta make this quick, I wasn't really here for long but things def happened last weekend! They were worried about my little girl & started doing daily CTG monitoring, heart rate etc, then Sat morning after the CTG they said baby was in trouble I was admitted 2 hours later & 2 hours after that I had a C section!!!! Goodness me what a day :dance: Anyway all is good I have a beautiful little girl, weighing in at just over 5lbs, she is 4 weeks early so had a few probs but all is good now & we finally came home yesterday!! So officially introducing Attie, Skye (Attia meaning gift) she's an IVF baby, 3 years in the making & the best bit her sugar levels are great & so our mine, :D.

Wishing you all the best with diets, jabs & of course your pregnancies. Thanks for all your advice in the last few weeks.

Clare
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Wow Clare - CONGRATULATIONS!!! Welcome to the world Attie Skye! I am so happy for you sweetie and am super glad that both yours and Attie's BSL's are normal. All the best :)

hi everyone

I'm bang on 33 weeks and was diagnosed with GD the day before Easter... good timing, huh?! I'm still a bit grumpy about the first Diabetes Educator I was sent to - I feel like she gave me incorrect/incomplete information. After two weeks of trying to control with diet, my Ob wasn't happy with my levels and gave me the choice of being referred to a private Endo, or a public diabetes clinic. I chose public - Dandenong Hospital. They've been absolutely fantastic. I started on insulin - 4 before lunch, 4 before dinner, went up to 6 & 4 after a week, and now on 8 & 6... and it just doesn't seem to be getting any better!

It just doesn't seem to matter what I eat - I can get a great result one day and a shocker the next. The only results that are fairly consistent are my breakfast readings, and then it just goes bananas :rolleyes:

Also, what's with the recommended diet? I reckon I have a fairly healthy diet normally, but seriously, for a growing girl, the 'snacks' - a yoghurt or some celery sticks or some such nonsense - they're just not happening ya know?!

I've been used to being a 'grazer' - eating every 2-3 hours - but with having to wait for 2 hours to test my BSLs ... :wall:

Sorry about the rant - I'm just finding this so much harder than I anticipated! At least I finish work this Friday so hopefully I can use the extra time to really focus on eating well and looking after myself and bub.

feeling sorry for myself :rolleyes:

wow - i'm so behind!!!

clare & smudgy - congratulations!!

lovelycate - i totally understand! it seems like the first reaction is to feel sorry for yourself - it was certainly mine! i spent a good couple of days sooking :lol: from what i understand, as you go further into the pregnancy, you may be less able to control your levels with diet, so there's not a lot you can do about those crazy blood sugar levels without insulin & maybe some gentle exercise? i was put on insulin a couple of weeks ago & it has been increased twice (once a week) as the endo explained they were starting me on a low-ish dose so as not to freak me out by sending the levels too low & me into a hypo!

i finshed work last friday & i have to say i'm finding it much easier to control. no longer am i sitting all day in front of a computer which means i'm moving more & helping lower those post-meal readings. it also means a greater choice about what i eat & when.

and if you're right on 33 weeks today - snap! we have a belly buddies group (1-15 july EDD) as well if you fancy chatting with people due around your due date. i think there's two of us with GD in the group :)

Thanks Sarah

I'm pleased to hear that it does get easier when you're not working! As I commute up to three hours a day :doh: there's just not time for making a super healthy meal - it's still healthy, but I know I could do better if I didn't just feel like going straight to bed when I got home!

I guess it's that feeling of not having any real control? I'm not actually too worried about the insulin - if it works, I'm happy to take it. (esp once I got over that psychological thing of sticking a needle in my belly! - it doesn't hurt, but my brain took a while to accept that!)

I'll come and join the other chat too.
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1000 times easier for me!! i wasn't commuting 3 hours but it was a 1 hr drive each way to work & as i explained to the endo who kept asking if i could fit in some exercise - i already got up before 6 & was not getting up any earlier & by the time i got home & made dinner there was no way i was doing anything other than crashing on the couch!! so anything other than a quick walk at lunchtime was out...till now. i'm not really 'exercising' so far but i am moving around heaps more!

the lack of control is frustrating - esp when you follow instructions & eat exactly the right thing only to get a high reading :wall:

hope everyone is going well - TGIF!!

And, TGI it's my last day at work - yee haa. :dance:

In the meantime, I have become quite adept at 'shooting up' without anyone noticing (either that or they're all being extremely polite - especially when I have to expose an inch or so of tummy bulge!).

Hope you all have a lovely weekend - I'm looking forward to just spending time with hubs and leaving all the chores to next week... ;)

What a relief to read this..............

I have just been diagnosed and i think everyone around me is trying to panic me a little. Ok its not everyone but i am feeling more stressed about this than anything else so far in this preg - and i have lost 7 babies since TTC, so in comparative terms this is really not that bad eh?

I feel alot better reading this thread..........i am 34 weeks and so far i have been refd to a diabetes mamagement consultant at Angliss hospital. She in turn has had me monitor my food intake v blood in the last week and ripped me a new one when my lvls were too high (6.4 on average overnight and mid 7's to 8's after a meal) I have an "emergency" appt with an endo in mulgrave this friday and all i want to know is how this affects bub and will she be ok. its unfair that after all dh and i have been thru - numerous blood tests - an amnio - numerous ultrasounds that this diabetes could cause such upset

its frustrating i am miserable and constantly hungry - mine seems to be all about how much i eat as a pose to what i eat.

I am deathly scared that after i have her - c section 30th june- they will take her away and keep her in the nursery and i wont get to have her with me......

suew

SueW - I also found the diabetes educators to be the scariest, most panicked people I have come across in this pregnancy. Rest assured that your levels are definitely NOT outrageous, they are at the very low end of what is considered to be GD. However as my doctor said they have to draw the line somewhere and it looks like you are just over it, same as I am. Different doctors and midwives will also have different ideas on how 'worried' you need to be.

If you are following the diet and your levels are still 'high' then you may be put on insulin. Believe me this is not a bad thing! With levels like yours you would still be on a very low dose, but you'd be able to eat a little more normally. I started insulin within about 3 weeks of monitoring my bsl's - I just couldnt stay below those magic numbesr without starving myself. My stress levels reduced immediatley on starting insulin, which also reduced my BSL.

As far as bubs is concerned, there is varying thought abouts the impact. Generally the main concern seems to be that the increased glucose in your blood will cross through the placenta allowing bubs to put on too much fat and you will struggle to deliver an oversized baby. Many GD mums are encouraged to have the baby induced early to avoid this, but it often turns out that baby is actually far smaller than predicted. Another idea is that babe will grow large, but have under developed lungs. This is what the diabetes educator told me but when I queried it wiht the obstetrician he said that the problems with the lungs are actually related to being induced, not the GD.

This is basically a fairly new area of medicine, one which is getting alot of funding at the moment. Some people call it a condition looking for a disease. While I dont dismiss it completely, I do think we need to be sensible when dealing with it.

I am being induced today (at 39weeks4days) and I expect that after bubs is born, they will do some pin***** tests to see if he/she has low blood sugar. There is a slight chance that bubs will have to stay in the neonatal ward for a day or so but that is only a very slight chance. The odds are that bubs will be fine and I'll be able to keep him/her with me.

I hope my ramblings havent confused you anymore Sue! I am sure you'll be fine. Just listen to the advice you are given, but dont take on the stress and panic. All the best :)

thanks Blonde doc feel so much better.........

good luck with your bub - cannot believe you are being induced today and you have taken time out to soothe me :clap:

Hi SueW

sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but as blondedoctor said, the diabetes educators seems to be major panic merchants!

If you're at the Angliss, you must be in the same area as me - feel free to contact me on thelovelycatherine @ gmail . com (without the spaces) if you need some help/reassurance.

As I understand it, the further through your pregnancy, the harder it can be to maintain your blood sugar levels anyway, and that's certainly what I've found. I'm on insulin, and as BD said, it's not a bad thing at all.

I found (and still find) it really difficult to work out what I could and couldn't eat - here's some things that I've learnt that may help:
*Eating at regular times is important - the days when I've had 4-6 hours between eating, my BSLs go nuts
*I've found porridge to be the best breakfast for me - traditional rolled oats, definitely not the stuff that's been ground up fine and has all sorts of added sugars. I have a bit of brown sugar and milk on top. Otherwise whole grain toast with vegemite or peanut butter has been good too :-)
*the major key I've found for main meals is to have LOTS of green veges - salad, broccoli, whatever. Keep your potatoes/pasta/rice/bread to an absolute minimum (and god I love my carbs, so this is a struggle for me!) - focus mainly on leafy greens and protein.

Other than that, my understanding is much as what BD said - if your BSLs are high, then the extra glucose goes to bubs, meaning that he/she can get a bit chubby. Since you're now 'under management', it's unlikely that he/she will get stupidly big. My obst initially talked about inducing me at 38 weeks, but he's calmed down a lot now and is (so far) happy to let me go until bubs is ready.

I'm 36 weeks now, and this week I start bi-weekly fetal monitoring so they can get a better idea of how bubs is coping with the GD. Like you, I'm concerned that my baby will be taken off me...but, whatever is in his best interests... If I can keep on top of my BSLs as much as possible, then there is a much better chance that he won't have low blood sugar when he's born - they will still monitor him closely for the first 24 hours though to make sure. Once your GD is being managed, the risks to your baby are so much lower than if it went undiagnosed.

I freaked out when I first heard about it, but people here have been so supportive, and as you move on you will start to take it in your stride too. Do feel free to get in touch if you want a chat! :hug:

thanks cate for your comforting and reassuring words- its so easy to feel so isolated when something like this pops up especailly when you seem have no control as i do . I will certainly sing out if i get a touch of the gitters again.

All the best to you
suew :D

hey ladies,

I just popped back in to lurk. I had GD last PG and ended up on insulin (only 18 units a day by the end though, so not too high). Someone asked earlier about diagnosis at home by monitoring. I spewed after 1 1/2 hours doing the GTT, so they didn't get a final result but thought I MIGHT have it (plus my dad has Type II), so I monitored at home and had three over 9's quite quickly so was diagnosed that way.

Re what to eat, there's a good guide here - the Healthy Eating for Gestational Diabetes Fact Sheet (PDF) which is linked about half way down the page: Gestational diabetes... Diabetes Australia - NSW

Re the stress, yes it's horrible to start with! I was really upset by it, found it hard to find the time to organise my food while working and commuting. Next time I'd definitely finish work a bit earlier to help spend the time organising food and attending all those bl**dy appointments!!

Re insulin & induction - different hospitals & obs have different rules, but many will talk about induction & regular monitoring towards the end. I was induced at 39 and bub born at 39+1. My obs said he would have wanted to induce me earlier if my insulin was higher. It's definitely worth asking if there's any policy/rules that they might want to follow. Also, again, many hosps will want to put bubs in special care nursery... I was variously told that bub would be in for 24 - 72 hours mandatory. In the end he was in for 24 hours as an "admitted" patient (if going private, your private care needs to cover this) but he roomed in with me mostly so that was fine. He actually had to go back in for light treatment for jaundice for 60 hours which was probably worse. But because I was so psyched up for his first admission, I was much more mentally prepared which helped.

BSL levels - like others have said, different states/hospitals/endo's/drs all go by different numbers which does my head in! In the end when I was researching whether to accept the induction or not, they basically said that yes, GD bubs can be bigger (mine was only 7lb 7oz so no issue there) but can also be bigger size than their organs are developed for - so can sometimes be more prone to have problems with breathing. The other unknown can be placenta function - so I don't want to give you the heebies, but I think it's worth knowing. My endo basically said that more babies that go "over" term in GD mums with insulin can have health probs, hence why they're more likely to not let you go over. Apparently in the past there used to be more problems (including deaths) with GD bubs but now there aren't as many problems cos they manage it better. So it's not to scare you too much, but basically in doing the diet and insulin needed, you're looking after yourself and bub. Plus as we know, the levels are a bit arbitrary and there is a 10% (at least!) error rate on the machines.... my endo said we look at the general trend of your BSLs when we put you on insulin. Apparently to make the machines more accurate, they'd cost $10,000 each lol. So while sometimes it's like ppl are trying to scare you, at the end of the day if you and bubs are healthy, that's the main thing. And even when the monitoring is a pain, at least you know they're taking good care of you.

Re weight - I didn't put on any more weight from 28 weeks, so only put on 5.5kg total (but was a bit overweight start with). I was lighter once I'd given birth than at the start of my PG (yay lol).

Oh and finally, the one thing I wish I'd known before having my DS. Apparently breastfeeding is really good for your glucose metabolism & insulin resistance (as well as your weight any way). So if you want extra motivation for BF'ing, there's some! No-one ever told me that before, and I was a bit amazed when I looked into it.

And the best bit... in the end, you'll have a beautiful bub, and touch wood the GD will have gone away (seems to have for most folks in this thread)... and the 2-3 months of GD that most people have will be nothing but a bad dream. And those ppl who tell you it's nothing and why are you stressed...well no, it is something and it IS stressful but you'll get there and it does get easier. GL to you all :grouphug:

Hi girls,

Just thought I'd pop in and let you know that I had a BOY!! James Hagen was born on Thursday 4th June at 9.32am by C-section. It was a bit of the drama, two days trying to induce with me literally strapped to the bed with fetal monitors, drips and a catheter, then an emergency C which was partly due to the fear of a giant babe. In the end he was 8 pounds 9 ounces - NOT the giant they predicted. He's beautiful!!

My BSL's were monitored for a few days after birth and they were great, so now no more diabetes for me!!! The hospitals policy was to keeep all babes of GD mums in the special care nursery for 24hrs of monitoring after birth so they did that, but James was fine - Phew!!! We are both home now and beignning the journey of breastfeeding, sleep regimes and all things parenting!! Exciting times. Anyhoo, hope you are all doing well, keeping your BSL's managed and are looking forward to a healthy happy child at the end of all this. Hugs to everyone!

SueW, if you are having bubs at the Angliss, they will tell you that s/he will be taken to special care for 12 hours for blood sugar monitoring. I had my baby there by c/s 9 weeks ago and this is what I was told. In the end, just before they took me down for the c/s they said that special care was full and that bub would be staying with me but the nurses there would check his BSL's every 2 hours. His first 2 levels were fine and then they got a bit low (2.4 was the lowest - they like them to be 2.5 and above) and he had a little bit of formula as we just couldn't get enough colostrum from me (took ages for my milk to eventually come in).
Anyway, even though they say baby must go to special care (their policy etc), obviously it isn't super important as the test is easily done on the ward. I would be discussing this with your care provider before hand to make sure you know what the plan is. I was told different things by different people with regards to GD babies and it's so frustrating.

I am off to have my follow up GTT tomorrow. Have done some testing occassionally the last few weeks and levels have been great so I hope all goes well tomorrow.