Bigger seats would be great!
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Bigger seats would be great!
I choose to be overweight everytime I shove another piece of junk that I full well know is no good for me and is going to make me fatter into my gob - so yeah - I think it can definitely be a choice....it is for me.:
So then why haven't you stopped? C'mon. It's not that easy for everyone. And not just that not every weight related issue isn't because they think fried chicken skin is a vegetable. Just as every skinny person doesn't have an eating disorder.
If only everything was so black and white, the world would be perfect.
When I was in my young 20's I was very thin, and it wasn't a choice. I have friends who are overweight, and it isn't a choice for them either.
Anyway, even if it were there choice to be overweight, does that make them less deserving of a seat? I personally don't think so.
Yeah if it was so easy there would be no fat people.
My reply was about ME - not a generalisation or black and white view on anyone else. The question who chooses to be overweight - the answer, I do. And I will go out on a limb and say if I do, then chances are, so do others....??
Anyway, totally irrelevant to the thread.
Not at all and I don't think anything I have said indicated that in the slightest.:
Maybe it is for you, ausgirl. That's your issue, and if you choose to be overweight, I support your right to be so.
For me, to be a size 8 now, I have to eat the equivalent of a 3 year old and exercise regularly. I do that with the help of a lapband. I'd like you to tell me it was my choice to be 110kgs when I ate healthily and exercised even then, and only really lost the weight and kept it off because I have a prosthesis restricting me from eating. So lifestyle choice for you? Maybe. Not so for most other people. So I personally don't think you speak for all of them. You certainly don't speak for me.
I didn't say you indicated that :). I'm just tying what you said back into the topic. I don't think I'd react differently if I knew they were overweight by choice, compared to a medical condition.:
Some people are just incredibly ignorant and too self involved to even realise they are doing things like that!! I've had that happen to me before in the past and it's horrible!! Makes you feel so uncomfortable. I've actually gotten up off buses/trains in the past because the person next to me was sitting waaaay too close or breathing down my neck (literally) or looking at what I was reading or their hair was rubbing on my shoulder (eeewww!) so I just had to get up!!!!!! Standing was much better than putting up with that cr*p!
Interesting - and sorry totally not to topic and I'll finish here - perhaps what I have in my head as overweight is really actually not truely over weight in the eyes of others - I currently weigh 80kg and I am tall.....I feel overweight, so yeah, I do think there is a really big difference between my 'choice' and others who are 'more' overweight. Not sure any of that made sense! But thanks for making me think about it from another's perspective.:
YES!!!! Cigarette smoke repulses me and is the worst smelling odour EVER.... but that's JMO and for another thread :hiding: I cough and splutter whenever those smokers stand 1-3mtrs to the shopping centre entrance, where not only me but my children are forced to breathe it in.....:
Disability or choice, your bum either fits on one seat or it doesnt.
The question is, if it doesnt, do you then have a right to infringe on the seats and anatomy of the people next to you? Or do you stand, or wait until 2 adjoining seats become avaliable?.
Much to ponder..... :D
No. No one does. I think that's been pretty much established. And if someone was that large that they overtook my seat, I actually would consider them disabled. And in most states they are, and as such are entitled to the priority seating. And if the average person didn't assume that every overweight person got that way due to opening their mouth and making a "choice" then maybe they wouldn't feel judgement, would sit in these seats instead.
My point is, I'm sure there are people who are inconsiderate, but that doesn't mean every person is. Judge the person's behaviour not their aesthetics.
At the end of the day, it is PUBLIC transport. Also as the services become more crowded, personal space needs to become less of an issue. Thinking of it, these days shouldn't we just be thankful that we managed to get seat in the first place?
I don't think the fact that it is public transport excuses imposing quite so much in someone's space. There are still social rules on public transport.:
Not in India.
Are there really rules for public transport? The only ones that are official, that I know of, are to do not holding the doors open and delaying the train, along with giving up the priority seat to someone who has that priority.
Honestly I think everyone has their own rules on how everyone should behave on PT and sadly in a lot of cases they just plain don't match. I think we need to be aware that not everyone is in our heads and therefore, cannot know what our "rules". ( and if they were in our heads to know our rules, then they would be breaking the personal space rule and therefore cannot win)
It is not about "us", all we can do is behave in a manner that we expect of others and try not to take offence if someone behaves in a different way. I doubt anyone deliberately goes out on PT just to annoy people by sitting/standing/whatever near them (well there might be the odd weirdo)
Interesting point!:
And personally I will stand rather than share a seat with someone, I feel claustrophobic on crowded public transport as it is! (I also plan to leave at least 2 buses/trains/trams early, so if its too full I can wait for an emptier one, rather than be crammed into a full one)
If seats were bigger it would mean there would be less of them or you'd have to pay more on planes. Not sure if that would be an acceptable solution for many.:
the large woman from the OP is definitely at fault and just plain rude. probably gets by on life based on the fact that most people actively avoid any form of conflict with strangers (cant remember the link but a study found that less than 10% would challenge someone cutting in line)
I am 6'4' and at my biggest I was about 130kg, in a crowded public train the only seats I can sit in are the paired facing seats or the seats that face towards the centre of the train (back to the wall). When the train was busy if I wanted to sit in the pair of seats my knee would have been right between someone elses legs! (I think it is called Knee sex!) regardless. I was aware of the situation I was in and if there was no centre facing seats I would just put my hand up agains the roof and suck it up as I knew I couldnt just sit on someone as that is just rude.
Unrelated - I once had a very small asian man ( like literally half my size) fall asleep next to me on the train once and he unintentionally drooped his head onto my shoulder (all romantic like!) the people around me and I were all laughing and when he woke up he panicked and started to apologise profusely and I had to tell him a bunch of times that it was ok and I thought it was funny!