Laparoscopy Results Blocked tubes????

I completely second HB's advice - shop around for a specialist!

My first GYN who I had been seeing since I was 16 was fantastic. She was very kind and very patient and listened to all of my concerns. I thought she was brilliant. HOWEVER, when my pain issues first started my symptoms pointed towards a range of different things - including endo but she never thought it was that serious. Over the past two years I have been prescribed tablets for UTI's, creams for thrush - you name it she tried it. The whole time I kept saying "It's not working" or "We've tried that" and every time she would say it wasn't that serious. I became so frusterated because I knew that none of it was going to work - a cream was not going to fix it and I knew I didn't have thrush.

She moved back to Sydney earlier this year so I didn't have a choice but to see a different GYN. As soon as I described my symptoms he immediately suspected endometriosis and I was booked straight in for a lap. Lo and behold - he found and removed endometriosis.

Sometimes it takes a fresh set of eyes and ears to want to investigate different areas. It worked for me and I couldn't have got a better result.

Thinking of you today :) :hug:

Thanks again Nic - yeah im just about to sit down and write all my questions out on a bit of paper.... i feel so nervous right now its not funny... i dont know why im nervous but i am ... i hate it

Dee - thanks hun.... lol i understand what you are saying... i was thinking the same thing too.... my AF is getting alot more heavier now... whereas usually on CD3 is becomes really light

Smithy - Yep a new avvy for me :) I love it hehe..... Thanks for your wishes for today

Amy - did you get AF yet??? I read alot of times it is super heavy after a lap

Thanks Rufi :)

Holly - (pm'd you) Thankyou sooooooooo much for posting it here... it has really made me feel alot better.... My Gyno didnt say he tried to unblock my tubes or if they were to damaged to do anything about it.... he didnt say anything :( I'm really hoping i get alot more answers today, if not i think i'll go crazy
I just dont understand how doctors can miss something for so long and this is what they are meant to specialise in... I'm really glad your FS now has answers for you :)
Cant wait to get your reply.... im really hoping you know my GYNO (thats the main one i need to know about atm)


Thankyou again to everyone :grouphug:

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Amy - yeah i know what you mean... i'm really at a loss as to who is good around here or not (we moved from the country about 3 years ago) and none of my friends up here has ever been to a FS /GYNO or anything like that so they cant recommend me one so i've just been to who my GP reffered me too which he said he hasnt dealt with either one..... Its hard to trust people these days huh
I'm one of those people who believes almost anything a specialist will say to me, as i think its there job... they are experienced in this, whereas i have no idea and they know what they are talking about, but after reading HB's post it has really shown me the light they some of them really dont

Just PM'd you hun ;)

Unfortnately I don't know of your gyno.. but certainly know stacks about the other stuff!!!

Hope the info I sent helps you out xxx

And FWIW... if you have the feeling that the Dr's aren't quite doing enough for you, chances are they aren't.
Trust your instincts sweetie - and good luck :D

Holly - i will pm you soon

OMG Dont i feel like the biggest FOOL in the whole world... my GYNO made me feel like an absolute idiot
I went in there and just said the reason i was back was because i had a few questions about my lap and he grinned at me while was not comforting (i know that doesnt sound bad but it was the way he done it) anyway i starting asking questions and he explained it better to me, and he said that he couldnt understand it and my tubes look fine on the outside and thats why he wanted to do another LAP... this is when i started talking abt the HSG and it said to me that he doesnt advise me do that because it hurts alot... i said i dont care about the pain (lol which i dont) and then he got up and walked to the door (as dr's do when they are finished) and i said so a HSG is not a good idea??? He said no and i said (which is sooo unlike me usually i would have just walked out) can i get a referal to see someone who will refer me so i can get a HSG done... and he walked over and sat back down and wrote me a referal for the HSG while doing this he was saying i was silly (not in those words) for wanting this done, and that i really shouldnt have this done etc... i felt like a complete idiot

Anyway so i pre-booked my HSG for the 6th of Jan... the lady who i called wasnt sure if the right doc would be in on that day but i hope so

After this im not going back to that gyno..... only just to get the results

Nikki that is TERRIBLE!! DOn't feel like an idiot.

Your best bet is to find a GYN who you trust and can confide in. Shop around hun. This one sounds like a dud.

Big hugs and I'm glad you are booked in for that HSG.

Aww Nikki he sounds horrible! You have the right to ask for a HSG, the guy sounds like he has messed up. I am glad you are finding a new Gyno but it sucks you should have to. Hang in there hun :hug:.

Sweetie, DO NOT feel like an idiot - he sounds like the idiot ;)

The HSG is FAR less painfull and stress free compared to a 2nd lap.. and remember what I said in the PM about the extra scar tissue & adhesions EVERY time you have a lap done.

I was really concerned about having the HSG done, only because of the pain - I took some pain relief an hour beforehand on advice from my FS (will PM you the pain meds and how much, but got it all over the counter at the chemist)... and the pain of it was managable - cramping like period pain.

I guess everyone's pain threshold is different, but I would sure as hell MUCH prefer the HSG to another lap - the lap you are in pain for a little while after... with the HSG, you hop off the table and you're fine.

After mine 2 weeks ago, DH & I walked around the city & had lunch.. and then went to a concert at the Entertainment Centre afterwards ;)

She pushed me to the limits with the dye as well, because we KNEW the tube was blocked and really didn't have any chance of breaking through.. you don't know that yours won't.

Poo-ey to him is all I can say :rolleyes:

Have your HSG done, and take the results to a new gyno ;)

Better yet, see if you can get in with the FS I advised and take the results to him.. he'll sort it out ;)

Don't let him make you feel like an idiot, hun... BECAUSE YOU AREN'T xxxxxx

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:hug: Nikki, you are well within your rights to ask for a HSC. I think it would be a much better option than another LAP. Much less intrusive.

And when you get it done try and get them to copy you or at least your GP on the results, and that way you might avoid needing to see that Gyno again.

Good luck with finding yourself a new Dr who will look after you better. :hug:
xo

Thanks so much guys..... i have had an absolutely horrid day today..... i just havent been able to stop crying... I am feeling alot better tonight tho..... I know even if my tubes are blocked that it isnt the end of the world, i guess its just alot for me to take it

Holly - i hope u can understand my pm... why i was writting it my head was killing me from crying so much....so probably wasnt the best time to pm you

Rufi - great idea about getting them to give me a copy for my GP... i really do trust my GP :)

Oscar and Amy :hug: to you both :)

Nikki - Have PM'd you again... your PM made sense to me ;)

Ruf is right about getting the results - I don't know where you've booked in, but I had it done in North Sydney, and I had to go back an hour later & collect the x-ray.
They faxed a copy to my FS and I have the originals with me... not sure if they'll do that for you but its worth asking.

To answer one of the questions in your PM... if you see the FS, you wouldn't need to see the gyno again... if it turns out you don't need IVF, it doesn't matter.
He's a Fertility Specialist, so he deals in anything to do with that area.. blocked tubes is one of them xxx

Oh sweetie of course it's a lot to take in. I know exactly how you feel hun :hug: I did not expect to ever have any problems down there as I have always been so healthy. It was a big shock to find out I had endometriosis and leading up to the lap I was highly emotional from the uncertainty.

We may still need IVF for other reasons (genetic) which we are yet to sort out. I know its a scary concept but if you do some research and get your head around all of the possible scenrios you will start to feel more comfortable with the idea.

Cry and vent and do whatever you need to do hun. We are all here for you :hug:

Nikki, I only just saw this thread.

What I don't undwerstand is why he didn't flush your tubes out then and there???? Remember I had a lap back in June (i think it was) and I had the dye put through, my tubes flushed and a curette. Just a good clean out I guess. Even if he couldn't get the dye through your tubes, why didn't he just flush them?

I know the flushing worked for me because I fell the next cycle (but it ended in m/c).

I would definately go and see someone else! He sounds a bit odd to me and quite rude and heartless!

Huge :hug: for you.

Hun, thinking of you today and hope you are able to manage to try and get a smile on your face at some point. :hug: xo

Thanks so much guys.... I'm actually feeling alot more positive about things today..... Tho as i said to Rufi i know im going to have good and bad days.... i guess i was mainly upset yesterday because of the way i got treated... When i went to see my GP he was really understanding and concerned but then come yesterday my GYNO was a total a** ... i didnt think i was out of line asking for a HSG at all... actually i think its alot more realistic to do that over another LAP next month

Nadine -Thanks for coming in here hun.... i really have no idea if he tried to flush my tubes out of not.... apparently the dye wouldnt even get in my tubes (so if they are blocked they are blocked at the uterus)... i did ask him yesterday if when doing a lap can they try and unblock them... he just said no (no explanation or anything)
I Do need to go see someone else... im not planning on going back to him

I Would be so lost right now without all you girls help :) its made a huge difference having all your support

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Yes I think seeing someone else is a very good idea. Don't go back to him. I still think he could have unblocked your tubes. Before I even went in for my Laparoscopy my ob/gyno said that he would flush them. So it is possible.

Good Luck in finding a better gyno. Maybe ask around on here if anyone near you has a good gyno they can recommend :hug:

thinking of you and i just sent you a PM hun so i hope i have made some sence
try to smile hun and hang in there

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Nikki - I'm so sorry that you have been through all this... Just reading your post about how you left the Gyno's feeling like an idiot just fires me up unbelieveably...:angry::angry::angry: Why is it that some specialists think we know nothing because we don't have a degree.. I also think a lot of them prefer it when we don't know what's going on so we can't pick up on the mistakes they make (or the golf game we know they're late for...) I think you are so right in sourcing another specialist.. I was in a similar boat when I saw my first FS and she made me cry at both appointments I had with her and I figured this was just the way it had to be, but a friend encouraged me to try someone else and I left that appointment with tears of joy and felt trust with my new FS... I don't want to give you false hope but it's possible that your current Gyno only believes your tubes are blocked because he stuffed up your Lap... If you make an appointment with a new Dr all you should have to do to get your medical notes from a-hole Dr is to tell new Dr's receptionist where you were going and they should transfer your notes over without you ever having to set foot in that office again...
Good luck sweetie...

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I have worked with doctors and you wouldn't BELIEVE how true that statement is!!!!! They like to call it a "meeting in the green room". :rolleyes:

Nikki,

I haven't read the whole thread but I am going to make a suggestion based on what I have read in the last two pages.

Firstly, this is not something for a regular gyno. You are trying to conceive, you need to see an Fertility Specialist (who are gynos specialising in fertility treatment and testing). You don't need to be cut up to see whether your tubes are blocked, and an FS would know which tests that need to be done that are the least invasive as possible, to determine what it is that's causing your difficulties.

And for the idiot gyno to say a HSG is more pain than a lap? You just KNOW he's a man who's never been through it himself. What a ridiculous thing to say! I've had 3 laps and 1 HSG and I'd take a HSG any day, and that's even with them putting loads and loads of pressure on my tubes to try to unblock them. Painful? Yes. But not even close to the incisions of a lap, FFS!

I reckon you should call your local Fertility Clinic and ask which consulting fertility specialists work from there. Then see your GP and get a referral to the FS you like. Give the idiot gyno the flick, have your HSG if you can, but bring the results and your other medical records to a Fertility Specialist who will be able to interpret the results and at least give you an idea of where to go next if it does turn out your tubes are blocked. There ARE options, you just need to get away from closed-minded Drs who think they know better, and find someone who will speak to you like the inteilligent person you are.

It's not easy, I know, hun, to be facing this all and being pushed and pulled by your medical team and made to feel like you're not cluey enough to know what's good for you. But remember, you are the one who's MOST looking out for your best interests, so please don't be scared to ask questions, challenge their opinions, make your needs known.

I'm on PM if you would like to chat about it, or even just vent about the situation? I've BTDT, and in circumstances so similar to yours (secondary infertility, blocked tubes etc) so will help as much as I am able to.

Hi guys - thanks again for all your support

Lilmiss - yeah i was wondering how ill get the info about the lap sent to a FS... I really didnt want to have to go back there... I honestly dont know anything abt all of this, but to me and ALL the other girls in here think having another lap done is silly... So i really dont care what my (ex) gyno said because i got the referal for the HSG and thats all i wanted anyway

Sushee - thankyou so much for popping in here...I know what you mean... alot of people told me just to go straight to an FS but obviously i thought the best way to check my tubes (because thats all i was really worried abt) was to go to a GYNO and get that done.... now i totally understand that i should have went straight to an FS
Obviously with the LAP it doesnt hurt while it is happening.. but gosh the pain after lasts for atleast a week (well it did for me anyway) it was terrible and truely i dont want to do that again... unless i have to... So i cant imagine a HSG being to bad... yes i have heard sometimes it hurts but i truely dont care about that i just want to find out what is going on
A couple of ladies had recommended me a FS so im going to look into that ASAP
I really appreciate you coming in here and tell me all this..... i would love to send you a msg and ask you a couple of questions if you dont mind (if its to personal i totally understand)

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I have worked with doctors and you wouldn't BELIEVE how true that statement is!!!!! They like to call it a "meeting in the green room". :rolleyes:

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A few people have said this to me but i thought surely NOT... Its really hard these days to know who you cant trust or not

Nikki please do feel free to PM me hun. My life is a open book here on BB, so nothing is too personal, and I do truly want to make it as easy for you as possible. It was actually beautiful rufalina that asked me to pop into this thread to see if I could help (I can be a bit oblivious sometimes when I get busy at work), so please know you have many people who care about you and want you to get the answers you're seeking.

I know... the ladies in here are absolutely beautiful :) I would be truely lost without you girls ... It really does make such a different having so much support

I'm actually feeling alot better today.... I'm going to have a great christmas with my family and then get down to business after i do my HSG ... There is not much leway (sp?) For the HSG... i have booked it for when i should be around CD6.... maybe i should try and change that to cd8 or something...... any thoughts anyone???

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hey nikki,
just me again lurking on you lol
i just sent you some info i no im a pain but i dont want you stressing out hun and if i can do anything to help im gonna
so just tell me to get lost when i get to much cause i can pmsl ;)

ps: go ruffy your the best ,she is amazing

Hun you are getting some great advice - well done to Sush and Ruf!! :clap:

I think knowledge is power and you KNOW that another lap could potentially do more harm than good. Everytime they go in there with their instruments there is potential for scar tissue and possible mistakes. It's also very invasive (when you think of it in terms of TTC) and as you mentioned - the recovery week can be horrific. If he knows where the problem lies - in this case, your tubes, then he should have advised you on the different options available to you.

Thank god for BB because had you not been armed with the information you would be booked in for another lap.

You should be so so proud of yourself for standing your ground with him. I would never go back to a doctor that didn't explain my options, particulary when it comes to something as sensetive as this. He should have recommended the least invasive route considering you are TTC. What an a$$!!

Focus on having a lovely Christmas and a happy New Year hun. :hug:

In regards to CD6 - how long does AF go for usually? Perhaps ring the clinic and ask them if it matters if you have AF.

Smithy - i love all the info you have given me.... it really does make things alot easier :)

Amy - Yep i know... I think its crazy that he wants to give me another LAP... Especially when there are more easier ways to check my tubes
I usually stop AF at cd5... but this cycle has been weird and i havent stoped till today cd7.. They wont do a HSG if you have AF/spotting... they said it has to be after af/spotting and before CD10... doesnt give much room to play with