Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception 2012 June-July

Hugs myturn xxx

N2L - woah hun what a lot to process in one appt. I agree that Spain sounds nice though! Hugs.

Ree ree - yep I'm waiting for you :)

Jane - transfer is coming up soon, yay for the pessaries (not!). I know what you mean about not wanting to invest too much.

AFM - no cramps or signs for the last day. Trying to fight it but already feeling so much like it hasn't worked. Just went to a 1st bday party and was asked when I was having another baby. I replied "when I'm ready to pay for it" and the person said "oh..." and I said "yeah, I don't get babies for free". It probably came across as rude but this person knew we'd done IVF (but probably just forgot as she's pretty self consumed) and I really think its rude to ask people about it, regardless of whether they did IVF or not.

ReeRee so excited for your transfer tomorrow and it works out perfectly so that you can have a few days off. I have cut out caffeine this cycle although i decided to cut it out from CD1, i don't drink excessive amounts of caffeine but love a morning coffee and a nice tea before bed so for me i figured all of nothing was better. Not not sure that it makes any difference but after last cycle failing i figure cutting it out cant hurt, and after hearing that Vic and Joeve cut it out also i am very determined to stick to the no caffeine this time. FX it works wonders for both of us and yep its a FET for me this cycle.

MyTurn I hope you are doing OK hun, so sorry to hear your having a tough day :hug:. Like most of the ladies here I wish there was more i could do or say to make it better.

N2L dont give up hope yet. I think a new FS is a great idea because 41 is not in anyway beyond hope and sometimes a fresh look on things can make all the difference, doing the same old thing over and over again is obviously not working. Im excited for you and I hope the new FS has something new for you to try.

Jane not long till transfer now and i know what you mean about the pessaries, before starting IVF i had the biggest fear of Needles but now i am more annoyed about the pessaries then i am the injections, its funny but i actually look forward to the injections now because i feel like we are doing something.

Mrs P hope you not too lonley over in the TWW, not long now and you'll have some company, I hope there are some sticky vibes over there.

Hi to Miss B, SLMOO, Me4ever, Emma, PlanetSashet and any other ladies stalking.

AFM- after almost 2 days I finally spoke with the clinic :dance: i was starting to think i would never get to speak to a nurse. Well not much to tell for now, I have to go in tomorrow to pick up the meds for my FET cycle and get all my appointment dates. I have my fingers very tightly crossed that this cycle will be much easier on my body and I have a super sticky little embryo waiting for me.

GL for your transfer on Monday ReeRee :crossfingers: And if you want to stay caffeine free, have you tried caffeine free tea? That's what I drink :)

Myturn, sorry you're missing your DH and I hope your day got better hun :hug:

n2l, wow that's a lot to digest from your FS app.! I don't know much about gastric bands, but one of my besties was a larger lady and she was always told to lose some
weight before attempting IVF. She secretly got it done a year and a half ago (I didn't even know about it!), and then against all odds she got pg naturally after losing
about 25 kg (she was round about the 110 kg mark) 3 months after the surgery. When I say against all odds, she is only 32, has only got one fellopian tube (the other one was cut out when she was 20 as she had a borderline cancerous lump on it) and the remaining tube was blocked!! The poor lil embie got stuck in the tube and she suffered an ectopic pg. But she did get pg! She swears it was the weight she lost that made her fall pg. Her hubby apparently has super swimmers, and they have been DTD with no protection for 10 years.

Jane, chin up and fingers and toes crossed for this cycle lovely :crossfingers:

Mrs P, keeping everything crossed for you hun :crossfingers:

Mrs Mac, FET cycles rock!! Hoping this one will do the trick for you :crossfingers:

Hello to everyone else!

AFM, still jabbing away :) I got a painful throat come out of no where, this is just ridiculous!!! I was only sick recently for what seemed like ages, I want to feel normal again! :(

n2l - wow, that is a lot to process. your plan ahead sounds similar to mine atm. my FS told me that the nk cell thing is 'controversial' but she has seen some good results with it, rather than it being just plain bs! i have read up a lot about it (as im sure you have) & immune protocols and the theory behind it makes sense to me, but there is definately a lot of division between FS's about it (even within our own clinic). i have heard dr nick is the go-to-guy for this too and nearly booked an appt with him last month but my FS ended up suggesting the nk cell biopsy anyway & agreed to trying the bondi/colorado protocol. FS will do nk cell biopsy & hysteroscopy if next FET fails.

i also asked my FS about the pipelle biopsy this week, she will perform it for me if i want with next FET. again, the theory behind this makes sense to me (similar to being more fertile after d&c), but i must admit i have not researched the pipelle biopsy extensively yet. still undecided about whether to do it with this FET, but to be honest - im getting desperate here & like you, dont want to keep trying the same thing over and over hoping for a different outcome. did your FS mention why she wouldnt do it within a cycle?

i dont think its wasting your time to get a second opinion. i think sometimes FS's forget the impact consecutive failed cycles have on us physically & emotionally. we could keep trying month after month, hoping and praying for the right embryo - sounds logical, but time is ticking people... and we are the ones waiting. i think its only natural to explore other options (whats that saying - nothing ventured, nothing gained?). would your current FS work with dr nick for treatment, or would you switch clinics if your appt goes well?

it's good your FS is positive about your potential to get pregnant, and acknowledges that even though your issues present a speed-hump - women do get pregnant with these speed-humps. even it happens or not, its a possibility and therefore we are compelled to keep trying. i hope you dont mind my comments n2l, i just feel your pain atm. xx

Hello ladies,

So far I haven't had any side effects from gonal F apart from blowing up like a balloon back in 2008. In the Jan cycle this year I had puregon, no side effects. This time I'm back on gonal F, dosage is 375. Firts jab OK, second jab was last night and this morning I feel nauseaus, slightly dizzy and light headed. Not myself at all. Oh, and slight discomfort in my belly. Is this normal? Has anyone had similar side effects on gonal F? Or is it something I ate last night? :dunno:

b x

Miss B I didn't have any side effects from it until about day 8 of jabbing when my tummy bloated. Maybe it was something you ate!

miss b - are you on a higher dose than last time? might be just your body getting used to it in the first few days of jabs? could be your sore throat/previous illness coming back too? who knows with all this stuff. i have had cycles where i have felt hardly anything, and cycles where i have been bloated, sore & nauseous - but usually these symptoms were around epu time. dont remember feeling dizzy. hope you feel better soon. :)

Thanks Joeve and Andie. I've gone up from 350 puregon to 375 gonal F (same thing I am told) so it shouldn't be that different on my body....? It's all passed now, I'm beginning to suspect my medium rare stake last night was the culprit. It was quite pink in the middle, although I have had it like this before and no probs...

Thanks MissB :D Silly Q -does caffeine free tea still taste alright? I have decaf coffee in my Nespresso machine and it tastes fine, so if the tea tastes no different then I'll grab some! Can't help you with the Gonal-f sorry, I didn't get any side effects.

Thanks for the luck MrsMac, let's hope this caffeine-free change does us both the world of difference! Hope this cycle's drugs are kind to you

See ya tomorrow in the TWW thread MrsP, hoping some new 'symptoms' have popped up for you in the meantime :)

Thanks Jane, apart from cutting out caffeine and alcohol (I rarely have any alcohol anyway, so that's not hard) I'm just focusing on having breakfast every day, and drinking water. I had been very naughty, not eating brekky and rarely drinking water, so that's what I am concentrating on now. And feeling really really good for it too! Good to hear you're not feeling sick anymore, and yeah pessaries aren't fun but very doable, especially for the end result we all want! Not long now til transfer, good luck!!

N2l :birthday2: Happy Birthday lovely lady!!!
There's a lot of decisions to be made, I don't even your position at all :hug: I'm glad you've booked in to see Dr Lolatgis. Consider the lap band I guess, If not for the fertility reasons, but also for long-term benefits. Did your FS say if the patients she referred to Dr L had success with him?

AFM like I mentioned before, I have been very good with having a hearty breakfast every day now :D And I'm loving it! I look forward to breakfast time now, with yummy eggs and tasty toast and sometimes baked beans and bacon mmmmmm. I realised also that last cycle I was maybe a bit too relaxed with taking my pessaries. I forgot to a couple here and there, and when at work I hadn't been keeping them in the fridge. I don't know if it made a huge difference or not, but this time I am being extra vigilant.
Feeling down now though :( Dh has been working away at his uncle's farm for the last 4 weeks with a 1 week break in the middle, and was supposed to be coming home tonight. Just in time for tomorrow morning's transfer. He just rang to say he has to stay until Tuesday :( I don't know what to do?? Has anyone done a transfer on their own? I feel weird doing it without him there, this is supposed to OUR special moment. I guess I can ask my mum to come with me... Maybe even to just wait in the waiting room for me.
This can't be a good omen...

Ree ree just a quickie - I've had most of my transfers alone. I know it's nicer to have your DH there but honestly I always feel like there's enough other people in the room (usually four plus me!) and it happens pretty quickly anyway. Though when I got pg with DD it was the one time DH was at transfer!! Good luck for tomorrow - I think I'm out already, no symptoms at all :(

Happy Birthday n2l!!!!! Hope you've had a lovely day :)

Ree, now that I have been drinking caffeine free tea for years I don't notice any difference! lol. I do remember thinking there was little difference between the two though when I switched over ;) As for hubby missing out on tomorrow, I wouldn't worry too much hun. My very first transfer was sans DF and I was OK! He was o/s at the time so it sucked majorly as I had to call him and tell him we got a BFP. The second and third time I asked him to come but only b/c he was available. I'll be thinking of you tomorrow. What time is transfer?

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Ree - I hate it when DH can't make it to any appointments - let alone ET.... :(... but I guess sometimes we just have to suck it up and deal with it.... take a photo of the embryo and share it with him later.... maybe him not being there is a good omen...?? you'll never know either way! Good job with the brekkie - I need to get onto that myself!

Miss B - I do hope the symptoms settle down soon. xxx

N2L - wow - so much to process! the whole idea of lap band is pretty scary too, isn't it... I wish you lived around the corner and we could be walking buddies in the morning - I need help with motivation as well... big hug for you - with all that going on, I feel for you. A little spanish baby might be nice ;)

Mrs P - FX you're wrong and the lack of symptoms is seriously an illusion...

Andie - sounds like you've got a lot to think about too.... so many things we put ourselves through, right....? big hug for you too

Mrs Mac - FET is definitely easier.... hope it works for you!

Jane - glad the nausea has dissappeared a bit.... I think I put a barrier around it sometimes too - that's okay though, you do whatever you have to do to survive - and seriously in the end, if it's going to stick it will... I'm not sure it matters what we think or not... regardless.... but we will all keep looking for the jinxes, and 'signs'.... or put up a wall... it's just survival mode - look after yourself.

Big hello and good luck to anyone I had missed. I do hope you are all well xxx


AFM.......
thanks everyone for your messages - yesterday was a tough day, but a good day. My best friend and I have been quite distant the last 12 months, partly my fault and partly hers - although I'm not sure she realises her contribution... but anyway... neither of us have been there for each other as much as the other one has needed - vicious circle really... she's had a new baby who didn't sleep during the day for the first 10 weeks and still has hell trying to get him down - they are going to sleep school this week... and she needed me to pop over clean and give her a break and all that...(she has PCOS and got preg naturally after 23 months of trying...) but I needed my BFF to check in on me and look after me. So it's been a bit messy - I found it really hard that she made some other friends godparents (which is totally my issue - and totally fair enough! They have been there, and I haven't!) so yesterday was a real challenge for many reasons.... anyway.... we didn't talk about anything, but there was a couple of moments, and I think things might be better.

I had (another) good cry last night in bed with DH (added to the 4 hours I spent at home on wednesday crying...) you'd think my tear ducts would have all dried up! I guess it comes down to me having to bite the bullet and continue on the weight loss path - there's nothing else to it, whether or not it makes a difference I have to know I have done everything I can. But in the meantime, I will just eat healthy and hope it falls off a bit during this cycle... ha ha.... pretty hard with all those drugs pumping through me...

I was wondering if the pill is messing with my hormones and making all these emotions worse..... I never noticed it before... but just wondered, with everything else, if it's making it worse at the moment....

myturn - I hope you dont mind me popping in to offer you lots and lots of :hug: . The whole TTC is hard enough without a great IRL BFF. Especially one who know a bit about what your going through. I have cried so many tears on my TTC journey and sometimes feel like its the only thing that got me through, just that release. Keep on with the weight loss journey too. I know its hard but take each day as it comes. The pill wouldn't be helping your hormones either. Just know I am quietly stalking you xxx

N2L - Gosh, you have so much to consider. Did they say how long it would take to recover from the lap band surgery and when you can start TTC again? At our age anything that pushes back TTC makes me anxious. My sister had lap band surgery and lost a tonne of weight, but it took her ages to get over the surgery. I honestly dont think your that big. My sister was 170kgs. I am disappointed for you that she laughed at the pipelle biopsy as I truely believe that it helped me concieve. I am glad that she is testing for NK cells. I hate when FS dismiss ideas that you have and I hate doing the same thing each month only to fail. They should be trying different things each month and have ideas, not wait for us to google endlessly and talk to other BB girls. Thats why we go to them and they are supposed to get us pg not just take our money each month.

Hi to everyone else.

Myturn and N2L- I wish I could give you both a huge hug :hug:
:grouphug:

This journey is so difficult.

Just a quick one from my phone. Im away for work at the moment so sorry i might be late getting the updated list up. Anyway hope you are all well. Thinking of you reeree. GL today. Will do proper post later.

Thanks for the luck ladies :) in the waiting room now, transfer is at 10:15 Perth time. Not feeling so sad for myself now, I just assumed that everyone had their partners with them, and I would be a loner, lol!
:crossfingers: can only hope we get a good little emby deposited in the right spot now..


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Andie - I just tried to pm you, but your box is full.

Ree*Ree - All the very best hun!