Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - Feb 2008 #1

PCL - If I felt right I would go this month AP can help prevent a MC

Miss C - So gald you got your answer hun Best Of Luck

Me 1 month till Lap today yay!:clap:

Sorry guys if I sound a little crazy. I just suddenly felt so desperate about what to do. I wouldn't have held anyone to ransom with their comments but just needed to have some fresh thought on the matter. I do feel better and clearer about what I want to do. Thx TL, Peta, BBliss, Slyder for your comments - they helped.

I have come to the conclusion that I am not a lucky person.

We went to the clinic this morning for our counselling appointment at 9am, but when we got there, they had no record of our appointment. It must have "dropped out of the system". Fan-bloody-tastic. DH had to take half a day off his new job to get to the appt, I'm getting a migraine, but we travelled in peak hour traffic to get here and now we don't have an appointment?! They were very apologetic but there was nothing they could really do. It was really important that Murray could come along because he is really struggling with everything, maybe moreso than me.

I am just so over all of this crap! First the dramas with the IVM price change, then not having a frozen embryo, now appointments not being recorded.

Has anyone here ever written a letter of complaint to their clinic? I want to make some comments and suggestions, but I really don't want to affect the relationship between us and the clinic. For all their faults, I do really like my specialist, the nurses and other staff, plus they are the only clinic doing IVM, and I don't want to jeopardise my treatment.

Am pulling my hair out right now.

ETA - Just got a call from the clinic receptionist who has organised us another appointment with the counsellor next Monday evening.

Bec,

:hug: the system sometimes does fail us and I am sorry for you.

In relation to your letter I would go along the lines of friendly suggestions and cover off your frustrations but highlight the positives.

Happy to be a sounding board before you send it if you like. I know what it is to want answers and I wish I wrote a letter to the clinic that stuffed us around rather than being scared of them telling me I was still young like they always did.

Good luck and I am glad you have an appt next week

Geez Bec, you are having such a rough trot, you really are :( I know I had a couple of wobbly moments when I was forgotten my first cycle, it is hard because you have to have utter faith in these people. You are trusting them with something that has an enormous affect on yourself and Murray. When you go to hassle to get there, it is utterly devastating and it feels far worse than it should, because it all piles up. :( Thinking of you, my dear friend.

Bec - what a mess! i certainly would write a letter - maybe they could do with some constructive critisim, there is obviously a procedure which is falling down somewhere internally for them. i am probably not the best person to check the wording with though - i tend to fly off the handle & be far too blunt most of the time. i hope the new appointment they have given you is at a more convenient time.
General question - has anyone else noticed that the quick reply function has disappeared off the bottom of the forum page? i can only reply via advanced & hence not look back on everyone's posts to respond.
How cool TL that it is only one month till your lap. I hope time flies by for you.
Have a good afternoon everyone!

Bec - I just can't imagine what ur going thru. At least you have an appt for next week but what a nuisance and inconvenience as far as today was concerned. Can ur hubby get time off again? Oh, I don't know how I would have been in that situation - try to focus on bigger picture I guess. Easy for me to say isn't it?

Hello and hugs to everyone else - thinking of each of you.

Sorry to go on about me again but just thought I'd keep you posted.
I've just come back from my OBGYN. As you may recall when I was having my crazy time last night that I wasn't sure about not TTC as the naturopath had suggested or to try anyway. After my OBGYN appt, I feel that all of my prior hysterics pale now cos I'm up against some other stuff. He basically said that 7 mths is considered a long while TTC especially when one will be 37 in May and not got a huge amount of time. I felt relieved at least that it was not all in my head and that I should just be relaxing more - my concerns actually were well-founded. So I am booked in for a lap on Thursday morning to check what's going on, possibly endo, possibly something else, possible nothing at all and, if nothing, maybe it's unexplained infertility. I kind of didn't expect that I would need the lap and all that but, hey!, what makes me so special - heaps of people on here are dealing with those and heavier issues all the time. My DH doesn't get off scot free either - he has to get his boys checked out. I actually feel more sorry for him (he's so shy, poor guy) than I do me. Btw, the OBGYN doesn't believe in naturopathy, says acupuncture is ok-ish, and not to waste time by not TTC.
I have had a good cry - going through a range of emotions and thoughts - now bring on Thursday. I can't get over how I can be so rooty-tooty fertile one minute and "all dried up" the next. Sigh!.... I don't mean to offend anyone with anything I may have said.

SP :hug: I do hope all goes well

PCL - Good luck on Thurs sweet

Hi everyone
Just thought id join in here as im out of the TWW with another BFN, startting IUI with puregon this time, so we will see, there is something so exciting about getting your own sharps container :redface:. See FS on friday about maybe starting IVF, very scary thought, but i think im in the same boat as you SP, i know its going to be much harder than IUI but the thought of another ectopic is freaking me out way too much, not just the ep itself but then having to wait another 4 monthes before trying again.
PLC: i actually study natural medicine (homoeopathics) and i did a few units with naturopaths and i heard the wait 1-3 month thing and i kinda get where they are going with it but i dont think they truly understand what that means when the monthes are sneaking by. In homoeopathics there is no mention of waiting as they are suppose to kick in straight away, herbals do take time to work and they also like putting you on certain diets in Naturopathy which can unfortunately release toxins into your body, not good for growing bubs. So avoid diet changes is if you are going to try straight away, but other than that i dont think she should be talking MC's just because you havent had the herbals yet. So i wouldnt worry.
Well good luck everyone

Hi ladies,
Sorry, been MIA as really busy and was away over the weekend.

Bec - so sorry about all the stuff ups. They really hit you hard when you are a bit emotional anyway. I think a well worded letter with your concerns sounds like a great idea

PLC - Hopefully the Lap sheds some light on whats going on and even if not, there seems to be some theory of increased fertility after a D&C (which they do at time of lap usually. I got pg with DS less than 2mths after a lap!

SP - i get you on the frustration of IUI cycles. its either not enough follies or to many!!

I am officially in the tww atm although the cycle did not go at all to plan
After such a slow start my scan lat fri showed 6 follies > 10mm. I had one mature at 16mm so ideally should have had trigger then IUI 36hrs later. But guess what, 36hrs later would be Sunday - the one day clinic is closed. Because the other follies were not far behind they would not let me stretch it another 24hrs for fear of multiple pregnancy. So choices were to cancel cycle entirely or trigger and just DTD. After 2 weeks of injecting, there was no way I was letting those eggies go to waste so DTD we did over w/e and crossing fingers maybe nature will be kind! Having acupuncture to this cycle so praying that helps a bit

Hey all - got some time to chat in between all manner of doc appts. Took DS to chiropractor check-up this morning (displaced shldr and top neck joint due to child birth - all good now) and ENT doc for me for persistent cough which I now know is result of acids from stomach irritating throat. Then off to Acup. this afternoon before my big big day tomorrow at "Lap City" (bit scared just quietly).

So much to catch up on....
meredith - glad ur back with us - wow!! let's hope ur bods went au naturel so to say. GL with the acupuncture - hope it helps to give your body the remedy it needs.
thx also for the "conceiving after a lap" hope. I had 2 D&Cs previously conceived quickly after one but not the other but nothing can take "hope" away from me.
scooby - thx so much for your professional advice on the issue of natural therapies. I found it very interesting esp the bit about toxins and I will certainly bear that in mind. Commiserations with all you've been thru and wishing you a brighter tomorrow. I actually had a convo with DH last night regarding possible IVF (based of course on what they find in my lap tomorrow). So I'll following u & sp with great interest. I agree - a very scary thought.
TL - thx for your kind words - how you doin hun?
SP - thx also for your encouragement re lap. As for you, I feel your frustration - why is it so easy for everyone else when others do it so hard. GRR! Will be following ur thoughts re IVF with interest.
Bec - I think a letter along the lines of what the other ladies have suggested - i.e. nothing antagonistic but focus on how your feedback can effect change to help others like yourself in the future.

HUGE HUGE hugs to everyone else - what a lovely lot you all are!!!

Take care of yourselves...

Well he did it. He sat there last night with his herbs and his 100 empty capsules filled them all. Then took 6 (the equivelant qty of powder perscribed). I was a tad shocked. However he then just said to me "so why do I need to come" (in regards to my accupunture appointment today) Again I felt like yelling and saying "hey i m the one being jabbed with needles for an hour the absolute least you can do is be there. Maybe you could also get off your A**** and ask her if there is something else you can do" BUT I didnt. I just said, 'today is our day off lets not spend it sitting in front of our computers again'

:wall::angry::wall:

Whats that saying.... "Lord give me Patients..... RIGHT F***ing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

:pray:

You know what I have done, Probably totally confused everyone.... Posted in what I thougth was the TTC after miscarriage thread, while i certainly dont mind chatting with you ladies in here, I m sure my thread, which was a continuation of a previous one in the other thread, probably had you sitting there thinking... what?

Oh well you all know now that DH had his herbs......LOL

Hi there,
I am new to all this, both the forum and the assisted conception. I have been reading your stories for a while and you are all such an inspiration to keep on trying for so long. I am almost half way through my second ovulation induction cycle. First was on clomid with no responce now on puregon bit scared i will react to well. Will find out tomorrow as i have my first scan. I will try and let you know how i go.

*giggling at AB* I was wondering but then I skim read so often I thought I must have missed something AGAIN! :lol:

Scooby - am sorry about your BFN.

SP - All the best for the BT Friday, I hope it looks even better than todays and all goes fine.

All the best, Meredith for your 2ww, hope its THE one!

Plc, Good luck with your lap, I am sure it will be fine - its okay to feel apprehensive though, I am for far less than that. Will be thinking of you.



I am still just hanging around, waiting for AF to start the new cycle. I have a short LP, so should only be another week now til AF arrives and we can have another go at it.

Scooby - Sorry to hear about the BFN :(

Welcome Saph, Good luck for your scan tomorrow

SP - Am hoping that your BT on Friday shows two eggs :)

Kell - Am hoping that AF isn't too far away for you hon xxx

I'm just plodding along, CD 16 today. Have been getting migraine symptoms for a few days now, so am expecting one to come along shortly - not particuarly looking forward to that :wall:

We have decided against writing a letter to the clinic at this point. We don't want to stuff up our relationship with the clinic, so we are willing to let things slide for now. However if there are any other errors, we will definitely ask for some explanations.

Hi All,

Just thought I'd pop in and say hi..

Just going thru all the same deal as all of you...over and over and over again.
Had another BFN together with poor Scooby (hi Scoob..). It's so HARD!!!!

Anyway, will be having another FET in about 2 weeks (my ripe old age doesn't allow for breaks sadly...)

Will take me a little time to catch up I guess. Just need some new people to whinge and compare notes with...

Goodluck all...

Hi Gals, haven't been around in this thread for a while as have been busy and just posting in the journal area.
On Cycle #3 at the moment have been travelling fine with synarel, can't believe it has already been over a week! Started with the hot flushes a few days ago. Forgot about that little side effect!
Back to clinic on Monday and will most certainly have to pick up all my stims.
Was reading back on how my body responded initially to stims in first 2 cycles given that now I am starting on 187.5iu. Interestingly the first round I was on 150iu and by day 6 my E2 was 600 (should have been 1000) and with the 2nd round on 225iu my E2 on same day was 978 - so on par. So with 187.5iu I am guessing I will be under 1000? Although I am scared of OHSS (they had to cancel my 2nd Cycle as E2 hit 23000 and scare of OHSS), I am also scared that my ovaries wont wake up in time like the first time and that they will be too small by the time EPU comes around (Follies were under 18mm but E2 was 9000) to compensate for E2 not getting out of control. Am I over analysing? Its hard not to I suppose! I probably should be trusting my FS, but without the experience of being an FS and by just interpreting numbers (which I do plenty in my job as well) wouldnt the best strategy be to start me on 225iu and then on Day 6 drop me down knowing that my E2 will build quite quickly? I dont know if this has happened to anyone, but am just throwing it out there! I will mention it on Monday when go to clinic aswell, but dont want to come off being a drama queen either!
Also am thinking of going away for Easter Long weekend with DH. We are thinking of flying to Gold Coast and driving to Byron. If I have had ET that week is it safe to fly? I dont want to not live, but I dont want to put myself at risk either! Has anyone been in this situation? Any recommendations would be great.
OK big breath!
Will catch up with your journey's, but wishing you all the best and sticky vibes and BFPs around the corner!
Mon :)

AB - you certainly made me laugh :lol: - I did wonder what you were on about when I read your first post. I hope things progress in a positive manner for you.
Salt - All the best for your blood test tommorrow. I hate it when your body won't play the right game!
BB & BecD - hope everything is going well for each of you - sounds like you might be cycling close together next round.
Mon - Wow! You sure do get all the details. If anyone asked me about numbers, etc I would have no idea. The only bits I remember are how many follies grow, fertilise & survive & how much the dosage of the drugs is. I don't even know what numbers are good & bad (maybe I should learn so I understand better). I guess I just place all my trust in the FS to look after me the best way possible. I do understand what you are saying re being scared of not reacting properly on a new cycle. That is my biggest concern, having been very close to OHSS (cancelled) cycle 1, then having only a small number of follies cycle 2. So this new cycle I am a bit anxious as to how I will react.
MM & S204 - welcome on board. I am sure you will both find lots of support here. I hope your journeys are short.
Well its under a week now till scan & start of IVF3. Starting to get excited and anxious. Take care all & I will speak to you soon.

Thanks BecD for the welcome. Had my bloods and scan today and i am not responding well to the drugs, somuch for my worry i would respond to well. So they have doubled my dose of puregon and back for more bloods and a scan on tuesday.:wall: Does anyone know how long they willo keep going with the drugs if your not responding on Tuesday i will be CD17. Do they just keep increasing the drugs until it works? Does it matter how long the cycle goes on for? Any info you have would be fantastic.
BecD you say your heading for a mirgraine is that from the drugs as i have had a headache for about a week that nothing will get rid of.

Lulu and scooby - so sorry to hear about your BFNs. Lulu I hope your next FET is the one!!!!
Peta - looks like we'll be cycling around the same time! All the best to you too hun! i Suppose I need to stop over analysing. Lets hope #3 is the lucky one!!!!
GL Bec with your next round! I need to catch up on where you are at!
Saph - a friend of mine, also wasnt responding to stims and they kept stimming her for an additional week until her E2 levels were right and follies were fine. She fell PG on her 2nd round which was FET! So fingers crossed for you!

Mon :)

Thanks Mon for the encouragement. I guess i am having trouble with this process as i fell pregnant so easily with my son. First month! Things just haven't returned to normal after having him. One day i was back at the obgyn because i had been bleeding for five weeks and the next day we were at the clinic starting treatment. Guess i am a little overwhelmed.

Hi ladies - just a quick note to say I had my Lap, all went well, they found early stages of endo (still to be confirmed by pathology) behind my uterus and near my ovaries and they've cut it out. MY OBGYN said it could have been there for maybe up to 12 months. So once I get AF in 4-6 weeks I should be good to go depending on how DP goes with his little sample.
Ironic how I need to wait now to TTC anyway.........:)

Thanks again ladies for all your support - very much appreciated!
Will catch up better tomorrow...

Hi Saph, sorry things arent going so well at moment, i know how stressing it can be. I had 15 days of injections for my last stim cycle. It got to a point where the nurses told me there were only 4-5 follicles and my estrogen wasnt very high, and DH and I thought about cancelling the cycle. My FS kept me on the same dose (Gonal F), which totaly confused me as i wanted more eggs, but in the end he knew what he was doing. I ended up with 12 eggs at pickup, a twin pregnancy and a bit of hyperstimulation- my ovaries were still swollen 8 weeks after egg collection. Although hard, i think sometimes you just have to go along for the ride, we really dont have any control over what is going to happen, trust your FS and i hope the best for you. :thumbsup: Thinking of you.
Good luck to everyone going through this thread. Big hi to Ellie if you read this. Great to see you back. Slyder, how is fet cycle going???
x Mel

Hey Mel, I was thinking about you the other day and wondering how you were going. Not long now!

Nothing to report here FET wise, testing next month.

Wow what a time in here whilst I was in Melbourne for work sooo glad to be home and now no more travel until after April and the Lap and ICSI is over Yay :dance:

Me - I am hoping AF will hang of for a few more days to fit in with Lap booking :pray: DH is going away next weekend on Thursday so going to be a complete wimp and miss him like crazy. I am having an aromatherpy party in Bris next Saturday for those Brissie gals who may like to catch up for a meet :)

Mon - Yay :clap: so glad to see you back and underway I have everything crossed for you.

Peta - Not long now GL and I have everything crossed for you too (running out of everythings and getting very twisted :p)

Minnie & Scooby - :hug: I am so sorry

SP - Don't worry sweet I understand about the IVF thing I do hope that this may be just what you needed this cycle

Meridith - GL in the TWW

AB - My DH did not want to attend AP at first but he has really got into it himself now

Saph - Welcome please ask any q's and I hope your TCC is not a long one

Kell - Hope AF shows soon

Bec D - Glad you can move on good on you

PCL - Glad lap went well and you got some answers best of luck

Just want to say hi and catchup a bit....

TL - love an aromatherapy party - maybe you could let me see a catalogue next time you're in Melbourne;) all the best for the party! and needless to say GL with lap (when is it again?) and is it just lap (as if that's not enough) or more too?

Saph204 - welcome and I can truly appreciate how hard you are doing it. GL for scan today! Hugs hun.

Mon - hello - i started reading your journal - wow! and then with all the info you last posted - I take my hat off to you - I don't know how you do it but I can understand why.

Peta - hello and hugs!

MM - good to see you in here too! How u doin sweet? Thinkin of u and sending you special hugs.

Scooby - thinkin of u - chin up!

Hey BecD (my head is a little foggy - is the appt next Mon?), BB, Kell, AB, SP, meredith & anyone I may have missed (sorry!!).

:grouphug: everyone!

PCL - should catch up when I am next in Melb I will PM a link though.

For me Lap and something else starting with H?????? I don't know just have faith in FS. All booked for the 18th March

Hi All!
PLC - I am glad your Lap went well & they managed to find something. I hope you are recovering well. I remember I was laid up for 3 days after my Lap/Hyst.
HM - wow! Not long to go for you now. I hope you have had a carefree pregnancy up to this point.
TL - aromatherapy party hey? Let me check my diary & I will let you know, it would be nice to put a face to the name.
Saph - I hope things are improving for you. My FS won't let things go on & on. He will generally cancel at about Day 21 if things are moving along properly. In saying this, I hope that your body starts responding for you & your cycle continues.
I have a funny feeling I should have transferred over to the Long Term Assisted Conception forum. Ooops! Oh well, I am comfortable here with all of you lovely ladies. Again the weekend is upon us - how fabulous! I hope you all have something exciting planned. Me - 4 family birthday's & another motorbike lesson. Woo Hoo!!! Bring on Beer-O-Clock! :lol:
Take care girls!

Peta I like here too don't want to move:) Would be great to meet you too I will PM you the deatils

Hi everyone,

your encouragements have been fantastic. Dh just doesn;t really understand, it is not his body not doing what is supposed to do naturally. I think it is not being in control and know what is going to happen and when that is my problem. But i will get there in the end.

tiggerlinda - is the h thingy, a HSG some sort of x-ray of your tubes if so take some pain killer before hand it hurts.

Mel - stories like yours inspire me to go on. Hope all is well and your resting.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend.

TL - hysteroscopy?
Peta - 3 days? boy you must have had it rough!

Evening all,
PLC - glad Lap went well. Hopefully removing the endo will knock some sense in your bits and get them working as they should!!

Saph - My first cycle was a bit like yours. Dragged on and on with only minor response. Then they upped the dose.... still dragged.... then BANG, I had way to many follies so had to cancel (IUI cycle). Feakin bodies just don't get it sometimes!! In saying that, this cycle started out similar and I thought oh no, here we go again but got an ok response in the end and am now in TWW.
Hang in there, hopefully the next scan will bring great news

Peta and Tiger - stay with us ladies, we love you company and inspiring braverey after such lengthy journeys on the TTc rollercoaster.

Not much news here. just trying to keep my mind off the TWW. I am only 4dpo so a looong way to go yet. Prog levels done on wed were 78 so am happy about that at least. No pregnyl booster needed -yay!
have a great w/e everyone

Hi everyone
Woah its busy in here, im havin trouble keepin up as i only get to post every few days.
Well ill start with me (cause it all about me :lol:) Saw FS yesterday and this will be my last IUI and then on to IVF he seemed very keen to do it and it makes me question why he even atemped IUI, as he said my chance with only one tube are about 10-15%.and then there is a very big risk of another ectopic, who knows, i suppose we just got to trust there judgement.
Meredith: hope the TWW is speedy and brings a BFP
Saph: im on really low dose puregon (25iu) you wonder how it does anything at all waiting to here about bloods in the next 10 mins or so, it really is so frustrating, a friend was on puregon and one cycle they thought theyd have to cance too many follicles and this month she had iui on day 20 as she had really slow development, its really weird how it works, but good luck hope you get great results soon.
Lulu: so sorry about the BFP, but hopefully we can have lots of fun in the TWW again together! Great news about BEl though:D
Peta: have a great weekend, sounds awesome.
TG: I looooove aromatheraphy, that would be fun, my Dh is away for the weekend too, and dont worry i hate it soo much. Hope :SAAF:
Mon: good luck with the new cycle, dont know about the flying thing, but a holiday sounds great. Im heading to the goldcoast next month, but i think by then ill just be sniffing my synarel (havent had it before so looking forward to those hot flushes)
PLC: hope your havin a fast recovery and its great youll be able to get started soon.
BecD: hows it going, i know what you mean its hard when you have problems because they are people you deal with on a very regular basis and so much is in there control. I just had problems with my clinic in regards to my refferrel and i tried to stay really calm, but it was sooo diffcult.
Well i really hope i didnt miss anyone. Hope your all havin a great weekend.

Well AF is here with headches and all I must say I will be happy with all PG side effects after her so now a wait till Monday to see if Surgery needs to come forward. :hugs: to all

Hi Ladies..

Thanks so much for the warm welcome...it's lovely visiting..

plc - so glad the lap went well - told you it wasn't that bad...Hope all the endo is gone and you can soon bee 100% back in action..

Peta - hopefully this will be lucky number 3 for you. Also, now that you've had one very up and one very down cycle...they hit the jackpot and get it 100%. It's hard sometimes with these drugs as everyone reacts quite differently. Best of luck..

Saph - I hope they get your numbers right as well.. it is so frustrating you poor thing.

Tiggerlinda - when's the lap? Like I told plc before hers - dont panic. It's not so bad. The worst part is the poo-prep - well it was for me anyway. Is the other thing a Hysteroscopy..? thats when they shoot dye thru the tubes to ensure no blockages, I had to have one but at the ultrsound place. I hope all goes well.

Meredith - best of luck sweet for the TWW - we know what hell it is...poor Scooby and I just came back from one.

Lovely Scooby - so lovely to see you here...;) Am glad you've moving to IVF..I am sure you'll be in with a much bigger chance...and yes - look at lovely Bel..she is so over the moon it is just devine. Hoping we will join her next cycle..

So..ladies..hope you're all relaxing and taking some 'me' time this weekend..

Despite my seemingly good recovery and positivity post lap about prospects of getting pg, am having a not so good day. I don't feel as good as I did yesterday - bloating, nausea, fatigue - and have been reading info on endo on net. Does anyone know of particular treatments that have helped to prevent endo reoccurring (apparently lap is not a guarantee of endo not coming back)? Sorry - like to stay upbeat about things - but my crappy physical state is wreaking havoc with my emotions at the mo.... I realise I may have to make some lifestyle changes - diet, exercise...
I guess I'm gonna really rely on the cyber cakes from now on :)

Thanks Minnie

PCL :hug: hang in there sweet

PLC sorry, I don't know a great deal re endo so can't help you but hoping things seem brighter tomorrow. When do you next see your Dr? Make sure you have a list of questions.

Linda - Damn AF hope she passes soon for you and your lap is over and done with ASAP

Lulu and Scooby - so sorry you guys have to be back in here. Much as its lovely to have company, it would be nice if we could all leave this thread empty IYKWIM

Just dragging my way through the TWW atm. Trying not to think to much about it but of course, I can't help it. Having some annoying cramping which I think is from the pessaries. Anyone else had this? My progesterone level on sat was 156 so hoping thats all thats making me feel a bit blah!

Meridith - I always get cramping on the pessaries I hope that you can distract yourself soon and it will all be over with a much deserved BFP