Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - July 2007 #2

Nic - i'd probably give the clinic a quick call re teh spotting - i know when i was on the synarel they said i may get a bit of spotting as i went through, but i'd be thinking if it's something you're on long term the last thing you'd be wanting is long term spotting

the other thing is to maybe post in the PCOS/Endo threads and see what answers you get from other sufferers...

BW hun, i am so sorry you've had to come back here, but know that you're always welcome here and will be supported throughout your journey. hugs to you again babe - and thankyou for wanting to be supportive again - it's so hard to be where you are now - but we're all here for you

not a lot else from me - am off to the chiro at lunch time - 6 days of headaches is just ridiculous, especially when it's going from tolerable to migraine within minutes sometimes - just sucks. hoping i get some relief today

BG - Hope the chiro gives you some relief today :) Thanks for the suggestions on ringing the clinic and posting in the endo thread, didn't even think of either of those!

Nic

no probs hun - i so hope i get some relief too - am sick of feeling ok one minute, then full on sick and in pain the next! lucky i've been going to the same chiro for 10 years so when i walk in and tell him to fix it before i hurl on him, he usually does a pretty good job! (as well as making sure i have a bucket if needed!)

Okey dokey here comes number one of probably 5 million questions from me over the next few weeks......

I'm currently CD18 of taking the pill & am due to start Lucrin injections in 7 days (OMG) then come off the pill two days later. My issue is that I've just gone to the loo & ave some spotting. Ok well more than spotting, but it's old blood so I'm just not sure what it is. I have missed 2 days of the pill, but have taken them within 12 hours of when I was supposed to so figured it was ok. Anyone have any thoughts? Should I ring the clinic & tell them? Or wait til I know if it's more than just spotting? How is this going to affect things now if it is a proper period?

Sorry that was more than one wasn't it :redface:

Sarah, ring the clinic and ask just for your own peace of mind, if nothing else.

I had spotting and outright bleeding at all the wrong times, though. And every time it happened, the clinic's answer is that it wouldn't effect things at all. I think the only time bleeding/spotting could be an issue is if you are at the puregon (or further on) stage of the cycle? Don't quote me on that, though!

BW

Sarah,
In my 1st cycle I had spotting every single day that i was on the pill...all 30 odd days. The nurse said it's a low dose pill and my body was just trying to get used to it (then real AF was 8/9 days late). In my second cycle i had spotting every single day again (aargh!) and then AF came 7 whole days early - before i stopped taking the pill. Even that was not a problem, apparently, i just kept taking it and carried on as normal. (i was a 28 day regular before IVF!)
I would ring them and let them know. I have a fabulous nurse who gets lots of 'crazy lady' calls from me, if it makes you feel better! Sometimes, they will just make a note of it, and the more info they have on you and the way you respond - the better.
GL
Jo

Hi Sarah,

We're in the same boat. DW starts Lucrin soon (30 July) and also had a bit of brown mucus or spotting or something. She's on a low dose pill. Anyway our clinic told her to go and get some supplementary pill to take with the normal pill.

Anyway, suggest you ring the clinic anyway. That's what they are getting paid for.

Oh wow Rols, we're only 6 days apart! Good luck to you guys :)

Couldn't get onto the nurses so will have to try again tomorrow. I'm not really worried cos I think it's from having last night's one too late ie this morning. But I will ring in the morning.

Hi Everyone :D

BW - Still can't find the right words to make you feel any better, but know that you are back in big strong arms from all of us in this thread xxx Welcome back, and lets hope you are out of here quicker than ever xxx

Nic - If you go back a few pages and read my post to Chez, have a look at all of the drugs I was on for my last 2 cycles :rolleyes:
From what I can remember from reading, they can use Pregnyl as a booster, but I have always had Ovidrel for mine. (And had HUGE amounts of Pregnyl throughout my cycle too... )
If you are an endo sufferer, this may explain why you may be going to have both... I know the Pregnyl shots after transfer are to help keep the lining in place (extra help for the crinone)... my FS made me take it because its common in ladies with endo that the lining comes away too quickly after IVF, and doesn't even give the embies time to implant (This happened on my 2nd cycle).
HTH ;)

BG - OMG You poor thing - I swear I have never known anyone that has had to wait as much as you!! I don't know how you keep your patience and stay sane!!! Hoping and praying that you have all systems go for this cycle xxx

Mummy2 - Welcome!! You will find much love and support in here. Hope you don't get to stick around for too long!!!

Sarah - What is happening with you is exactly what happened with me when I did my cycle starting with the pill.
I think the spotting is quite common when you take it before a cycle and your body is just getting used to it.
Definately check with your nurses, but it made no difference with me - They made me keep taking the damn thing and I was spotting every day whilst taking it... and it was old blood too, like you.
They told me it was nothing to worry about.. If that makes you feel any better until you can talk to a nurse!!! ;)

Sparkles... Enjoy your holiday, I'm so so jealous!!!

Will be back on later when DH turns the TV back on to the Asian Cup.... How much soccer can one man watch day after day???!!!

Love Holly
xxx :D

self absorbed post here - copied from my journal cos i'm too angry to type again

OMG - i am soooooooooo angry! i called the clinic at lunch time to find out what was happening with results, left a message and didn't get a call back until 6.10 tonight - only to be told that "oops, they forgot to send your blood off for testing" - they've sent it this arvo and should have results tomorrow - i'm sooooo not happy - i feel like we're being messed around big time - and it's p!ssing me off! i've donw really well to not let this waiting get to me the past fortnight, but tonight i can feel the tears stinging the back of my eyes...

Hey Holly, I will go back and check that post of yours :) thanks. that's interesting info about being on the Pregnyl after a transfer... I suppose that will be stuff that I will find out when we get down there.

Nic
eta: OMG BG!! I'd be absolutely livid. Grrrr..to the incompetent person who couldn't send you blood off!

There's something vaguely comforting about being back with old friends...

Today the research has begun and the plan forward is being set in place. I still can't face the phone to make the appointments I need and to cancel the ones I don't.

I suspect that I'll be back here for a while. I need to wait for hormone levels to come down (hopefully not too long!), and I'm going to insist on a heap of testing before I proceed with another transfer. Quite simply, I'm not going to go through 19 months and the hell of losing my baby to blindly walk into another transfer without the possible causes of that loss being investigated! And if it does turn out that my PCOS is the only factor increasing my likelihood of miscarriage... then regardless of how sick I end up next time, regardless of what my GP may suggest - I will NOT reduce my dose of metformin no matter what!

Sarah, just one word of warning regarding the spotting. If it gets heavier, if it turns into a major bleed and you're still taking the tablets - yell, scream, demand attention from your clinic as it can get pretty serious. Probably won't happen to you, I'm told that the big factor in it happening to me was the fact that I'd gone so long without AF when the spotting started... and the flood gates opened.

BG, ugh! posted at the same time. I'm so sorry this has happened. You don't need this. Hopefully things will get underway tomorrow. :hug:

BW

no BW - they forgot to send the sample off.

i'm slightly furious....

Hi Ladies :)

I used to be in here all the time but have been out of this thread for quite awhile. After heading down the adoption path for abit, we have put that on hold, had the holiday of a lifetime in Europe and are attempting IUI in the next few weeks. We have decided to give this ago even there is a very small chance of it working (with DH's troubled swimmers & my blocked tube), we will try for 6 months before IVF. I don't know if this seems strange to anyone, but I feel like I need to ease my way into IVF. I really hit rock bottom after TTC for 5 years, went head first into the adoption process (before realising I really do need to try IVF), re-grouped and headed OS and have now returned happier than I can remember being in years. I don't want a failed IVF cycle to interupt our happiness at the moment, IUI failing I can handle....iykwim. I also feel like we are still young, I am 30 this coming Sunday and DH the same age but 6 weeks younger. I feel like there is plenty of time for us on this new journey. We have survived the disappointment of trying ourselves for 5 years, I think we can survive anything now :)

I am nervous about giving myself injections (pick them up next Thursday), I hate needles. Please tell me it is not that bad?

lil chookie - welcome back hun!

i can so understand the "easing" yourself in thing - and can tell you, it really isn't too bad! i' waiting on the go ahead to start another IUI cycle, and will let you know that it really is fairly easy. the needles are fairly straight forward (most of them are in "pens" so you attach a needle, dial up your dose, and hey presto!) - and i found them relatively pain free. the whole process was really straight forward, and not as scary as i thought it would be! we're all here to support you through it all hun

oh, just so you know - don't use my hitory as a yard stick - i'm a difficult patient :) - now that the doc has worked my body out, we're going well! if you're picking up meds on Thursday next week, it sounds like you'll only be a week or so behind me - good luck hun!

Hi everyone
BG - OMG - you must have been very upset to find out that you have been waiting needlessly for the last few days because someone didn't do their job properly! That sort of thing makes me very angry! I really hope you get the results you want tomorrow and you can get started ASAP and move past this speed bump very quickly!

BW - welcome back - I was very sorry to read of your loss... hopefully we will all move into the TWW and pg threads very, very soon!! I hope you are doing okay.

Sparkles - enjoy your holiday... how nice to get away from the cold and rain for a while!

Hi lil chookie - welcome back. Don't worry about the needles - they are no hassles really, even if you do have a phobia of needles, they are mostly such little things you will hardly notice anything. The trigger is a regular size needle but you only need one of those - some of the ladies have their DPs give the trigger. Good luck with IUI. Have you looked into any alternative therapies for yourself and DH? I have my DF on a mens multi-vit to help with his dodgy morphology, although it takes 7 weeks to have an effect on the sperm.

Holly & Nic - I finally got to ring my clinic - my Pregnyl is going to be used after the transfer along with the Crinone gel - now that is something to look foward to ;) so all is good.

Sarah - I can't really help you with the spotting - I didn't get any at all on my down reg cycle, but today I have noticed the tiniest bit. That might be because I am on a flare cycle this time? Interesting what Rols had to say about his DW needing another pill tho.

Well, I am moving along with my one day at a time philosophy. So far so good! Got the bill from MIVF for our current cycle - it has gone up by $450 as of 1st July compared with what we paid last time - and we only had a credit of $175 because we didn't go to transfer. I still don't have the medicare chq from the 1st cycle - all of the paperwork seems to take quite a while to get through the system!

Tomorrow I am off to my first acupuncture session since I had the first EPU. I am really hoping that it will help grow my little follies as I am not feeling much action going on down there at the moment!

Take care everyone.
Cherylxxx

Hi Sarah...Im CD 17 and ive been taking the pill(microgynon)for 12 days now. I havent missed any tablets and no spotting. The clinic had told me not to miss any as it might affect my cycle. I start my lucrin spray on the 24th july.

Sorry girls, I will be MIA for another few days. This morning DH's grandmother passed away. She was 87 but it wasn't really expected until the last couple of days when she started to develop a bit if a chest infection (possible pneumonia??) It is just one thing after another at the moment and I feel like I am going to snap. I was at work for an hour this morning when I got the call, so I left as DH was obviously upset and was home along still recovering from surgery. The funeral is Friday. I have a BT and nurse appt tomorrow and acupuncture Thursday. I don't know if I'm suffering from Synarel heacahces or stress headaches. Possibly a combination of both at the moment. :(

BG, I would seriously be unhappy with that too. It's not good enough.
BW, Welcome back....although I would rather you weren't here ;) YKWIM. Thinking lots of good things for you :hug:
Lil chookie, welcome back. Don't worry, the needles really aren't that bad! :)

Oh, and in my only hour at work today one of the girls I worked with announced she is 12 weeks pregnant with twins! So, the day started with a synarely headache, that cheery announcement and then the phone call from DH about is nana. What a day.

oh megan - that just sucks hun! biggest hugs to you and your DH at the moment.

hoping things are on the improve for you both very soon

take care hun

Oh Megan, you and your poor DH have been having a bad run lately haven't you? Lots of hugs for you both.

Nic

Megan, my thoughts are with you both. You've had a very rough time lately. Doesn't feel fair sometimes.
Sorry, no time for posting - DH is telling me to hurry up.
Hope you all have a great few days and i'll try to catch up when we get back on Friday. We will have our BT result by then.
:hello: Jo

Oh no Megan, what a horrible morning. I hope the day improves for you babe :hugs:

I called the clinic about the bleed & the nurse sounded a bit surprised that it was so heavy (well it is now). But she said keep going as I am & we'll just make a note of it. She's going to talk to Derek (FS) and will call if he wants me to change anything.

glad you managed to get through to the clinic Sarah - if it turns out to be nothing, well, it's noted on your file - but at least the people in the know have been made aware now - hope it settles down soon for you hun

Megan - hoping you and DH are travelling ok - there's just nothing i can say to help you at the moment...

well, FINALLY got a call back from the clinic - we're on again!!! yay!! start injuections tonight, and have an ultrasound next monday to check how we're travelling. about time!!

Woohoooo!!! Great news BG, looks like we'll be a week apart again! Let's hope it's a nice transition together for us & Rols over to the pregnancy threads at the same time.

thats great news BG!

so sorry about DH's grandmother Megan. you two have sure had alot to deal with lately

well i had a quick little visit to the TWW thread for the last week. my transfer was last wednesday and BT was this friday but the wicked witch showed up an hour ago. about to call the clinic and see if DR has left permission to go straight into another natural FET.

so sorry to hear AF showed again Sonya - big hugs hun

oooooh, sorry sarah, missed your post!

i think i'll be more than a week ahead of you hun - i don't have to do the lucrin/synarel thing - i should be in the TWW within the fortnight (hehehe - gotta love having a very short treatment cycle!)

BG _ WooHoo for getting the go ahead!! You'll have to change your signature from "Is today they day" to something like TODAY IS THE DAY WOOHOO :)

Sonya - So sorry to hear that AF showed up. huge hugs..

BIG hi to everyone else, hope you are all well.

Nic

thanks for reminding me nic - got distracted by a phone call when i started to change it earlier...LOL

WooHoo BG! Looks good :)

Nic

thanks Nic

Woohooo!!! I hadn't realised it was so quick once you were in a cycle.

one of the delightful advantages of having such a screwy body is that i know longerhave to deal with the down reg side of the cycle - yay!

the downside is that i have to have antagonist meds once i have nice looking follies and before the trigger shot - and they cost $80 a pop - and last time i had to do them ones at work :(

Hey Everyone :D

Megan - Oh sweetie, you are just not having the easiest time atm... big hugs to you, and your DH - I hope he is ok about his Nana passing xxx
It is truly just typical that you would find out about a pregnancy at this point in time... and twins as well....like a double whammy in your face - They say (whoever the hell "they" are :rolleyes:) that what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger.... You would have to be the woman with the broadest shoulders in the world right now.. Hoping everything will settle for you now xxx

BG - YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY!!!!!!!! About time they got it together for you!!!
So glad everything came back great and you're ready to go!!! Best of luck for this cycle xxx

Sonya - So sorry to hear about AF hun :hugs: You seem to have the same problem as me - No trouble with making great embies, they just don't want to stick... Have you spoken to your FS yet to find out what they are thinking for the next FET??? I can't remember, do you have acupuncture to help with transfer and implantation???

Sarah - Glad to hear the bleeding isn't going to stop anything for this cycle... Your body sounds like it just doesn't like the pill much... Can't blame it, though, can we ;)

Chez - Sounds like your cycle is being treated similar to mine as far as the pregnyl & crinone after transfer.... Make sure you have PLENTY of liners - the mix of crinone & CM from the mass amount of pregnyl is just not lovely....(Sorry Rols ;)!!!!!!!!!!!)
BTW I finally sent your CD - its on its way to you!!! Can't wait to hear what you think, the juice is pretty impressive stuff from what its already helped people with... DH & I have definately felt the benefits of it, we've both been drinking it for almost 3 months now.

Nic - Will be interested to see what your cycle is involving re the drugs too!!!

Hi to everyone else!!!

Me - CD 13 today - Am thinking I'm ovulating a little earlier this cycle again... It must be the herbs doing it - Hoping its a good thing!!! Plenty of EWCM and pain in my right ovary - This is the side with the unblocked tube, so see what happens this cycle!!!

Hope everyone is great!!

Love Holly
xxx :D

Mind if i join??

Sorry to tired for detailed post but thinking of you all

Megan - im so sorry for the loss of DH grandma - thinking of you

Sonya xx hugs to you hun - hoping you can go again soon

well had appointment with DFS and here goes

Got af today so the plan now is cd3 start chlomid!!!(never had this before) then the POAS 'o' test which are usually hopeless for me as my serge last forever then FET 5 days after 'o'

BG - looks like we will be cycle buddies as my TF looks like it will be in two and half weeks, if my body responds to the chlomid

xx

oh yay Lou! that will be awesome hun!

Just wanted to pop in quickly tonight and check on everyone! ;)
BG, Woohoo you get to go again! Looks like there will be a few of us in the TWW in a couple of weeks. :)
Sonya, so sorry to hear AF arrived. :hug:
Hi Lou :) GL with your new cycle. Looks like we could be going in for transfer around the same time! Hope everything goes ok with the clomid.
Thank you to everyone for your kind words. It has been a tough couple of weeks, and at this point in time things can only get better I'm thinking.
I had my appt at the clinic today to collect the rest of my drugs and have a BT. BT was fine. All ready to go on the gonal-f, but they don't want me to start until Sunday. Changing things a bit this cycle as I had a difficult EPU last time. My dose will be 225 for 3days and then back to 150 for the rest of the time. They are trying their hardest to make sure I am right for an EPU on 3rd of August as that is the day my FS is rostered on. With Monash, you just get whoever is on any particular day. So I will be very happy if I get my own FS and they are going out of their way to make it happen.
Desperate at this point to start the FSH injections as it should help with the headaches. I feel like I have had a constant headache for about 5 days now. I don't remember it being this bad last time.

i can sympathise with the headache thing Megan - i had a migraine off and on ( well on really, just varying severity!) for five days last week - sucks big time - am really hoping things get better for you over the next couple of weeks - and that you and DH are both feeling better very soon

take it easy hun - here's hoping there's amass exodus from here into belly buddies very soon!

Loula,

AF is a total B@#CH! My heart goes out to you. I feel crushed for you. Im hoping you are doing ok. My thoughts are with you.

Lou, I hope the clomid works for you.

BG, very glad to finally hear that you have the go ahead.

I'm feeling just a little bit better today. Mornings when DH has left for work and the end of the day when we go to bed are just absolutely sucky, but the focus is shifting towards finding out what went wrong and figuring out if there's anything we can do towards stopping it from happening again. I'm writing a big long list of questions to ask, and will be quizzing my parents very closely over the weekend with regards to the family medical history. Getting all the questions and answers is one thing... I really don't know when I'll actually feel ready to have another go.

BW