Long Term TTC & Assisted Conception - July 2007

Tracey, in regard to your fertilisation rate this cycle, the nurse said something today which I thought might be of use to you. She reckons that only 1 in 3 embryos (pre blastie) are any good, regardless of the fact that they actually fertilised in the first place. For example, they may fertilise but not have all the cells required for the baby, or the placenta by a certain day, or on the other hand have too many parts.

So in other words, to be in the position you are currently in sounds perfectly normal and nothing for you or your fella to be upset about. Hope this helps.

Rols I think my DH would agree with you there. Even though the fertility issue was mine, he did say on numerous occasions that he felt completely superfluous to the proceedings, except when he and the cup had to get intimate. He did feel like he wasn't offered or given much support in the process, yet was expected to be supportive and optimistic for me all the time. It definitely took it's toll on him.

I think it's great that you're in here giving us all the male perspective on everything, and if it makes life easier for other men in the process, then that's great too. I think it's really hard on the women, but you don't have to give support to one partner at the expense of the other.

Hello ladies! I'm around, not posting as much but still reading. Just a reminder that I go to Egypt for 12 days as of the 18th of July and will not be online at all during that time.

hehehehe Rols - youve gotta watch the quite ones, Ok most of you know ive not been around as ive had a 'friend' stalking me but if anything i hope she is a little embarrased that she feels she has to do that IYKYIM. and i also hope that she is a 'friend' enough to keep what i say in here to herself?

I had EPU on Friday and got 28 eggs and 23 ferterlised but now i have OHSS and although TF is planned for tomorrow i dont think it will be going ahead.

What has been the most painful part of this journey is not sharing it with you all and driving myself insane with keeping it to myself IYKWIM

So bugger it its the internet after all !anyone can read what i write and TBH that doesnt worry me i just dont want to be asked every five min or when i see someone so?????????????????. Ill tell you face to face when im good and bloody ready !

well said Lou :clap:

Thanks sushee

and i just wanted to add that i would be feeling even more frightened if i didnt have BB to ask Q about my cycle and the OHSS. At the moment im comfortable with the fact that i have OHSS but thats only from the love and surport that other women who have had to go through this has given me. BB is the best and even if my journey can help other then i would be please with that too.

Rols - I hear ya loud and clear ... it's frightenly hard on the blokes, my poor darling especially, 'cause we live so far away from everything, the docs think it might just be easier for them to freeze his sperm so there's less jet setting ... he's really put out by that, and I can fully appreciate why ... the bloke has little enough to do with the PG (through no fault of his ;) ) it's abominal that his right to the TTC process is being violated too ...

Which brings me to my next point ...

Loula - Ahhhh the joys of having your whole TTC thing aired in public. I think that's what hurt me the most, no longer is it a secret promise between two loving people, it's now between you and your hubby and your scientist and your fertility specialilst and your anethetist, and your nurses and the receptionist and yada yada yada! With the joys of living on this island and there being only one way on and off, it's now also with the travel agent and the pilot and the airport staff as well ... not to mention the hospital and the pharmacist ....

I still grieve for the simpler days ... the way it should be .... :(

Thanks for your comments Sushee, and I hope my perspective is interesting to you guys and also to your blokes if they are reading.

Lou, sorry, I wasn't aware you were having any difficulties of the OHSS or friend variety. Hope you pull through it quickly. We got the OHSS talk today too - DW is pretty small and they are a bit concerned about giving her too much in the way of drugs. It's certain complicated.

Diva, from our chat the other night I have got a fair idea where you are located and know exactly what you are saying, not just about that place but small towns/areas in general. It's very hard to keep things quiet. The other clinic here besides SIVF employs one of our old school friends as a scientist. We even used to share a house!

Rols - i'm with everyone else and wanted to thank you for popping the male perspective in here - my DH has been involved in every step of the journey with me (thankfully) and actually copped some nasty feedback from his boss for not just "making her go to appointments on her own" - it was about the same time you joined BB - and as much as he'd never sign up for a forum (or turn on the computer LOL!) - he appreciates hearing some of your comments about how things are going cos it shows him that it's ok to want to be a part of it all! so thankyou - i know he's felt a little left out at times (heheh i'm brave enough to give myself the needles), but he does take an interest, and knowing you're on here has helped him heaps

Sushee - i'm so very very envious - i wouldn't care if my 12 days off was just a couple of hundred km's away from everything - egypt sounds like fun! enjoy your holiday!

Lou hun - i'm glad you've decided to resurface - have been thinking of you heaps hun. hoping the OHSS isn't giving you too much grief - lots of water/gatorade/powerade is a must (and if you don't, i'll have to drive to melbourne and kick your butt for not taking care of yourself!). i'm hoping you're able to go to transfer tomorrow, but i also know our DFS won't push the limits - and you might be better off waiting. from what i recall, BW felt a whole lot better after her AF and was much better able to deal with the FET when it came around (and look at her spectacular result!)

to everyone else - hope you're all having a great day - will pop back in later to try and catch up some more

Thanks BG. I'm really pleased that your bloke has found some stuff I've said to be useful. From what you've described of him, I reckon we'd get on pretty well.

A Big WoooHooo!! Lou is back!!!
We have missed sharing our travels with you and hope that you can stay out of the closet (so to speak) for a long time.

OHSS - bummer, but you can still be hugely proud of your efforts this month. You have a whole footy team and a bench of reserves too!! I had really hoped you would get your tf this week, but no point if the OHSS is going to mess things up. You are super strong and patient...i'm sure you will not go too crazy while you wait to get better!

On a selfish note - look at me - i'm gorgeous!!...and DH is a spunk too...:p We are going to make cute babies!!

hey jo ive been pming you all day!!!dont get me worried again please

very nice look Jo!! was the first thing i noticed about your post!!

Rols - i think you and my fella would get along really well!

Thanks guys...i'm normally quite shy :redface:
Let's just say if anyone goes to MIVF and sees someone with a pale blue scarf and curly hair and glasses...it might just be me :p

Glad to see a relaxed BG. I am off to read all the journals now... it's hard to catch up these days.
:hello:
Jo

PMSL.... Well said LOU :clap: Your a champ. I dont know your history on belly but you really said that in a nut shell. Welcome back!! Big congrats on 23 Eggs your a machine.
Good luck sonya
Take care all.

well made the fateful call.

only to be told my transfer isnt booked until 2.30pm so they wont thaw any until morning and to ring between 10.30-11am.

grrrrr!

im sooo tired from lack of sleep and worry. and now i have another 19 hours to go!!! gawd i hope there is a strong embie in there! oh well off to take some panadol and lay down, i feel *****hhouse.

sonya hun - that just sucks - i'm so sorry you've been stressing so much only to be told to wait AGAIN! hoping you can get a good night sleep (maybe the exhaustion will help!)

take care hun

wow so much to catch up on i am sooo busy at the momant and i go away on the 17th July only 7 sleeps heheh
Rols- Best of luck - how exciting so do you know the approx date of the transfer?
Im glad your wife feels a little better now seeing all the needles etc, send her my best
Everyone else-sorry i am just not caught up i hope its all going well xoxoxox

OOOH, poor sonya!
Waiting is a nasty place to be, but stay confident...I'm sure the very first one will thaw just fine! All toes are crossed (fingers crossed makes it hard to type)

aw c'mon jo - you can still type with fingers crossed!

we might not understand it, but you can give it a try...!

sonya - hun i hope everything goes ok for you tomorrow

TL - where are you and how are you going ??have you had TF yet?

Just called NP and she said it would be best if i didnt have Tf, but will have to wait for tomorrow

Hi Everyone,

Rols - Thanks so much for your info. Your encouragement warms me. Your FS is pretty spot on! Comparing my last IVF & this one, the ratio is absolutely correct.

I agree with your vibe, the focus is directed at the woman and it should be equally shared. I changed this for us in our clinic. DH has total control over the situation, cycles etc. I'm just the brooding hen hehehe. I may sound very "unfeminist" , I dont care, without him, this journey would not be happening. DH confirms the appointments, calls the nurses when we need to, decides on how many embies go back in (yes I disagreed this time - scared), reminds me of needles, creams, sprays etc. No, he does not feed me nor take me to the bathroom or for walkies. Its not that I want him doing it all & bustin' his chops for me, its that I know he so wants to be a huge part of this & he should. The nurses call DH for everything; results, scan appt, etc. This does benefit me in the fact that I need not worry about half the stuff that is going on, I just turn up & can enjoy the trip. DH has huge shoulders & Im leanin' on em'. Usually the only times I have been called is from the Scientists & Day Surgery.

We share this trip equally. Its hard work for us & if the load can be shared, pass me the dumptruck cos mines full!

Im excited your journey has formally begun & moving quickly. Congrats!! Hope your week at work is better than the last one & DW is not anxious about the needles, just excited.

Take Care
Tracey

PS. I type faster than I can think so I guess thats why I write, write, write. Hope its not toooooo long winded.

Hi Again,

Is anyone sick of seeing my name here? Maybe I have too much time on my hands whilst I sit here waiting & waiting & waiting.

Sonya - The dreaded call!!! Big hugs to you and DH for encouragement to get thru the night. The anxiety of it all. Maybe you need some of those Krispy Kreme's & Hot Chocky the girls had last week! Mmmmm comfort food!!! If I had any, I would surely put them in this thread for you! Things still look good for you, its just time delayed. I know its painful but your still having your transfer!! Embies will be fine, Im believing for it!

Loula - Welcome Home Honey! I hope everything settles down with your OHSS and that you are getting better every day. Your nurse said "better you didnt have the transfer". Does that mean its ok if you do? Im looking for that green light "go ahead" for you tomorrow but your health is the most important right now. Hopefully your levels drop & everything is back on schedule. With 28 Embies, honey, you are going to need all the energy you have to raise all those tots!!!

Me - Transfer tomorrow at 12.30. As Sonya said may happen, my little embies caught up to the good ones (she's precious). I now have 5 at Morula stage & tomorrow we are hoping for 5 at blastie. FS is coming in "special" to do the transfer so Im feeling quite confident. I had trouble with the last transfer that someone else did. DH wanted 2 transferred this time but I didnt want to risk it so we're getting one.
Then guess what we do........................................Surprise ...... We wait again!!

Thinking of you all at your different stages.
Tracey

oh krispy kremes - you've just reminded me DH bought me one and put it in the fridge???(i hate them in the fidge) But i dont think i could fit it in at the mo

mmmm krispy kreme! DH has been given orders to buy me some on his way home from work at the weekend

damn, i hate living so far from anywhere! no special treats:(

Do you know I've never had a Krispy Kreme??? :o Might not be such a bad thing though ... I've heard they're more addictive than crack ... and that's a direct quote from a friend of mine!!!

Traceylee .... we could never get sick of your lovely face or name ... whilst I've never been in the TWW yet I can imagine it's just a condensed version of all the other waiting ... all bundled together!!! Maybe you need to do something to keep those little fingers occupied ... perhaps knit some booties??? I'm praying like mad you'll need them in about 9 months time!!! *hugs*

Diva n Dan,

Never a Krispy Kreme? Are you kidding? Hun, I'd take a trip or get them by courier. I used to drive and hour & half to get em' before one was local. Did a girly trip once but wasnt worth it. They were all gone by the time we got home & the thighs.......OMG the thighs!

TTC Chat tonight guys - https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...ad.php?t=41858

i hadn't found the delights of krispy kreme til about 6 months ago, now it's a treat we buy when i go to melbourne to see the dentist (ironic, huh?)
this weekend is going to be a treat for surviving the single girl thing for a week!

tracy i try to make sure DH is involved. he makes some of the phone calls, but not a lot (he doesn't like the phone unless he's talking to me or his mates!) - he has made the decisions about when we start, when we test etc though

HI Everyone
Just popping in to wish Sonya and Tracey best of luck tomorrow...will be thinking of you both xxx

Never had a Krispy Kreme either...

I think I am guilty of leaving DW to do the bulk of the running around. I think I do a fairly good job with supporting her and stuff (and vice versa too) and being involved during appts but like BG's DH I hate using the phone to people I don't know, and I don't like dealing with the PHI people or the Medicare people. You wouldn't think so based on the amount of crap I spout on here.

Sparkles - our transfer, assuming all goes well, will be around the 20th of August, give or take.

Just wanted to wish Tracey and Sonya truckloads of luck - :bluedust: to all

OMG .....Just Lurve the Krispy Kreme's, but boy do they repeat on me. We have a KK near my work, and I swear I am there once a week... not good at all......

i don't think you actively have to DO the running around - it's the little things like picking up the slack while your wife is making calls, supporting her if she's having a cr@p day - and making a call when you know she can't - that's what my DH does, and i think it works perfectly for us! sounds like you're doing a good job anyway rols! don't worry about not doing other things - just being there is a great start!

hey all i also have never had a Krispy Kreme, i dont think we have thenm in Brisbane, i have hears they are great!!
Rols- i will think of you as that is the same day as our first app good luck xo

Goodluck also Tracey and Sonya ... here's hoping everything turns out just the way it should tomorrow ... beautiful souls deserve beautiful outcomes ... *hugs*

I had to have a giggle today, my hubby's always been very blase about the whole IVF thing and couldn't understand why I was so depressed about it, he used to try and cheer me up by saying it wasn't that bad, a few needles, go in and get the eggs, fertilise them, put them back in! Easy as!!! No matter how often I tried to explain the seriousness of it all he's always give me that excuse.

Well today we got the IVF DVD and he watched it ... and saw all the needles, the size of the trigger shot and the egg retrival (with footage of them piercing the uterus to get at the eggs), and he went white as a sheet. He turns to me and tells me there's no way he's letting me go through all of that for a baby!!! He's now on the biggest guilt trip of his life (all self inflicted, I haven't said a word) and I'm having the time of my life ...

Hmmmm maybe I should make him fly to Melbourne for some Krispy Kremes??? :cryinglaugh:

Good luck tomorrow tracey and Sonya......heheh...krispy kremes are great soul food...we drove 45 minutes to the Fountain gate KK to drown our sorrows when we got our BFN after our first stim cycle!!! they do wonders for the mental space. Apologies for not posting much at the moent but kinda treading water waiting waiting waiting to save up another $5000 for another PGD cycle hopefully if DH's mum can help out we will start a down reg next cycle (Il would like to get 2 more cycles in before Cristmas - hopefully only need one!)!......everybody pray she agrees to lend us some money!!!!

Hey Rols thats the same date as mine.

Hi everyone,
Just popping in to check on you all and let you know I still think of you and wish you luck with all you are going through. Hope all your dreams come true soon.
Sazz

ps. Have never had a krispy kreme either. Just found out recently what they are!

Mumof5 - that's good to hear.

Hey, has anyone had offered to them some do it at home kit for detecting the cystic fibrosis main gene types? Our nurse said we could use the cheek swab kit if we wished and return it for $180 to see if we are carriers, as CF is the most common autosomal recessive gene defect in caucasians. Just wondering if anyone else had done it?

Rols - I've never heard of it ... but if there's a strong link in your families I say go for it, anything that can help in the long term has got to be a bonus. Love to hear what you decide!!

melbel - I've got my fingers and toes crossed your family can help you out ... this IVF thing is soooooooooo very expensive, pity they can't just take it from our baby bonus, as a bit of an incentive y'know? Get us PG and you'll be paid, think it would improve the success rate??? *hugs*

sazzafrazz - Thanks for popping in sweet, it's lovely to hear success stories, it's always nice to see there is a light at the end of this dismal tunnel ... hope you're enjoying every bit of your PG and it's treating you kind

Tracey & Sonya - How exciting today!!! I've got everything crossed for you as well, can't wait to hear how it all went, considering what we saw on the DVD I want to know it's nowhere near as bad as it looks!!! *hugs*