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just encouraging you not to give up hope of catching the eggie this cycle - FS hasn't said it's impossible for you
good luck (and enjoy - sometimes it feels like this TTC journey is too clinical - we're still trying to enjoy our relationship as much as we would if we were going through natural conception!)
Oh OK, sorry, I thought you were referring to some kind of natural transfer process, then realised that is stupid on my part because we need to do a stim cycle first. My bad ;)
As for relationships, it's been really good with us as nothing has changed at all. We are still our silly stupid selves. Totally obsessed with our animals and still doing all the stuff we did before.
I've missed the end of the last thread :( will have to go back and re read it when I find it.
Just dropped in to see how Rols and his DW went today. Glad to hear you guys have a plan of action and will be starting very soon.
BIG hello to everyone. hope you are all well :) Will try to come back tonight or tomorrow sometime and catch up with you all before we go away :)
Nic
hehehe - furbabies are a great distraction aren't they???
i have spoken to a few people IRL who've been through AC and said how much it changed their relationship and that it all became about cycling and how they lost the spontaneous side of their relationship - i couldn't cope with that!!
BW, your contribution to this thread will always be welcomed, as has other LTers who have popped in from time to time to help out. I was one of those 'drop ins' and I suppose I've now ended up being a bit of a fixture, seeing as I now mod the place :) It's a wonderful thing to share your own knowledge and experiences about AC and IVF. I know I would never stop doing it myself.
*putting mod hat on now*
But remember, everyone else, that this forum is for those who are LTTTC and if you wish to catch up with BW's (or any other graduate's) progress, there are pg journals as well as the Pg after LTTTC forums for that. Remember that everyone deals with their journeys in different ways, and we need to be sensitive that. Not everyday is a good day for an LTer, especially in this game.
*taking my mod hat off now*
BG I am one who's 'intimate' relationship has been adversely affected by AC. Emotionally, we're as close as ever, but sex is not always a natural thing for us now, esp since ovulation, AF and the act itself have taken on all new meanings for us over the years. But we're working on it. :)
hey Rols- i am really happy that you got some answers...and glad that everything is fine with wife and things ok with you, gee its so similar to our situation...funny hey, after hubbys next test they will also let us know what our options are they mentions artificial ins but it depends on morphology if not icsi, we'll see, how exciting that you are starting so soon, thats great!! keep me posted
and we too are obbsessed with our animals, what do you have i have one staffy ( my other one got put down 5 weeks ago-4 years old she had cancer, we were a mess) but i still have my little boy and i have a cat also , i love animals so much
well take care xoxo
i have spoken to a number of people in similar positions Sushee - and i noticed it myself when we were on the synarel and things - it all became (albeit temproraily) about the AC -- we've put in a big effort to make sure that the AC is a part of our life, not the "whole" of us - and we've managed to get ourselves back to the point where we're enjoying each others company again and not stressing about it as much - it's not always going to be easy to do, but i think because we noticed the impact a few months back, we're actively working on making sure it doesn't happen as much in the future...
That is so great BG. Honestly it happened to us before we knew what hit us. Once we stopped living and breathing IVF, we were shocked to discover we didn't know where to go from there.
My clinic specifically told us not to BD during IVF treatment, so we went literally months living in a platonic relationship. It took it's toll, and I'm so glad you're keeping on top of it. If it was one piece of advice I could give an ACer, it would be don't neglect your sexual relationship!
hey girls (and guy!)
so much happening!!!! its getting harder and harder to do personals!!!! good to hear Rols that your relationship is the same as always. DH and i kept as 'normal' as possible as well and if anything we have grown so much more closer.....
Well yippee for me AF has finally arrived.... go in on the 30 (next sat)for day 12 BT. then hopefully within 7-10 days after that i have a blastie put back in.... so so so SO excited!!!! the downside at the mo is coz of past major back surgery im in agony! its like someone constantly trying to pull my lower spine out through my 'bits'... (ouchee) but the pain will go in a couple of days and im just too happy and excited to really care too much...... watch out BW im gonna follow you everywhere! (fingers crossed!)
i think getting that sort of advice from long termers is a huge help - and probably why we noticed the "drifting" as early as we did
just gotta hope that we keep that mind set if this keeps going longer long term.
Sonya, I certainly don't mind if you keep following me! I'd like nothing more than to be able to drag every one of you over into this scary place on the other side of AC... but everyone will have their time. There's been some amazing FET success lately, and I'm hoping you can add to it. :crossfingers:
Sushee, BG, I wish I'd paid more attention to that advice earlier on! I guess for us, there's been so many times when I've been ill in the past that our sexual relationship took really low priority for a long time. The OHSS had me out of action for a good long while, and I was too scared to do anything while in the TWW (and the one time we did HURT!)... but the communication aspect of our relationship has improved remarkably in this, and we're now starting to fix the sexual side of things as well. Word of advice to everyone - when you're dead tired and have sore boobs, it's not the best time to do it! Get it right BEFORE you get to this point!
Rols, I'm glad you figured it out, because I couldn't figure out exactly what you were asking... I have mush for brains at the moment - I really need a holiday!
Take care, everyone.
BW
Hi everyone
Well you all know that my Gonal-F dose was increased to 450 yesterday. This afternoon I have got a swollen abdomen and discomfort and was feeling flushed and hot in the face. I checked the net for OHSS symptoms and I guess these are classified as mild at the moment - I haven't taken any Panadol or anything yet. I couldn't call the nurses to talk as I was at work and there is nowhere private where i could discuss how I was feeling so I am hoping that I can draw on your experiences. When do the symptoms become a problem? My next scan with the FS is on Thursday morning. Should I just continue with the injections and talk to her about it then or should I make a phone call to the nurses ASAP tomorrow morning (although I don't know where from at work and I start at 7am!)?? Any advice would be appreciated from anyone who has gone through this or knows about it. BW did I read somewhere that you have been through OHSS? Will this result in my cycle being cancelled???? Lots of questions and worries I know. Thanks in advance.
Cheryl
Chez, I did suffer from OHSS. It was hell.
I started on 150IU of puregon and didn't respond. I was increased to 300IU, and two doses later I'd responded to the extent where my ovaries hurt like hell when someone (my acupuncturist) pressed on my tummy. From the next blood test my FS was madly cutting my puregon dose back to try to keep things under control... All I can say now is, if you are concerned, don't do what I did and blindly follow instructions. Call the clinic and speak to them and if you need your dose cut back, the sooner that happens, the better.
On the slightly better news side of things - it generally won't cause a cycle to be cancelled as long as you have enough leading follicles (some nice big follies, rather than lots and lots of little ones), but you may not be able to have a transfer, and all embryos may need to be frozen. And that's not all as bad as it sounds - look where we are now! :) And you get to avoid the crinone!
You're quite safe to take panadol or panadeine if you have pain. By the time I got to EPU I had pain with every single step because my ovaries were so swollen. You should also get started on gatorade or powerade - they help combat dehydration from the fluid that leaks into your abdomen. Probably most important after your trigger and definitely after EPU.
The thing with OHSS is that it gets worse with pregnancy. It improves when AF arrives. That siad, I was still out of action and couldn't fit into my normal clothes for three weeks, even though AF arrived a week after my EPU.
Seriously, I learned the hard way - if you think that's where things are headed, get on the phone to the clinic and don't give up until they've brought you in to be checked out. It's not the end of the world if it does happen, but it's also a pretty unpleasant state to be in, too.
Good luck, Chez.
BW
Hi All,
Chez, evidently I'm not a huge expert on ovaries, but I think BW's advice is very sound and one way or the other, it's worth the hassle to make the call tomorrow just to be sure. I'm not sure who said it recently, but we are all paying big bucks for this so it wont hurt to ask a few questions and get some bang for your buck.
--Off topic-- If I hear one more Harvey Norman ad I swear I am going to kick the ^%$^$#% TV in.
Anyway, back on track...Sparkles, give our apparently identical circumstance please ask any questions at all if you think it will help you or DH. I was only thinking before how it's weird that both your DH and I are into sport, active and the same age etc and in the same boat. I don't know about him, but I must confess to looking at some of the lard arses my age and wondering how they do it. As far as the animals are concerned, we have a 12wk old border collie, and a 1 year old cat. I cannot believe how much of a cat person I've become since we got her - before that it was all dogs with me. And sorry to hear about your other dog. That's really hard.
Nic - where are you going? Holiday? You may have already said, if so I missed it.
Sonya - pleased to hear your plan is underway. Hope your pain gets better soon to.
Thanks BW and Rols
I will see how I feel tonight and if still the same or worse I will call the nurses in the morning, and probably delay my injection for an hour or so until I have spoken with them. I am keeping my fluids up but don't really want to go onto Gatorade if I can avoid it, so will keep with water and herbal teas for the moment. BW, my pain is not as bad as you had it, but some of the bloating may also be associated with my bowels which seem to have shut down today (sorry if that was TMI). Did you have any problems in that department?
Cheryl
Evening all .................
Rols - im very sorry i just remembered i started my last post with lovely ladies....hehe Great news with the scan hun and the Sa results have come back a pleaseing result for you too? idont really know much about the SA side of things as it is solely because of my fertility that we are having to follow IVF. keeping my head to the ground for any more good news from you.
BW - sound advice on the OHSS. i have a 100000000 questions for you i will post in your pg journel, would love you to pop in to keep an eye on us.hehehe
Chez - im sure if you are worried it is best to phone your nurse, but i do get pain during this time of my cycle and although i have only had a mild case of OHSS (on dose of 200)the nurses were very good. another thing to watch is your weight as if you are suffering from OHSS you will retain the fluid, so measure your waist and hop on to the scales, i know you will prob find that you may have put on a little with the whole IVF but watch for huge differences in gain. Hope that helps
BG - good on you hun, keeping it 'real' is so hard to do when 'we' (I) worry so much about this twinge and that, life can sometimes take a back seat, thats why we have planned our trip to London to visit family even if still doing IVF through out the year. i was hoping to be taking my babies with me but we will still have to wait and see.
Ally - how are you hun?
Sonya - strange feeling to be happy for AF, im still in limbo cd 40!!! havent been that long for a while! but we are still unsure as to where we want to go from here. Hoping this cycle is quick for you and the tww even quicker. GL with your scan
Sushee - I love grads poping in and wouldnt want it any other way. i had a friend over on Friday night who has just had a baby boy and i couldnt wait to steal him from mum, almost prising him off her bb.lol (sez you can back me up with that. But a funny thing happened at work today, one of the ladies who was at my house on friday, said to me ' you cope very well with your friend coming with her baby and all the baby talk ect, ect....................my daughter couldnt do that, wouldnt be able to hold that baby, how do you do it, you are a very special person (her daughter is trying IVF) I was in shock!!! i mean i know my friend is praying for me EVERYDAY and know that it is not because 'she' has done anything to make my TTC harder nor can really do anything to make it easier, other than to continue to be the dear friend that she is. But by no means has the most beautiful inissent little boy done anything to miss out on a hug and snuggle from someone who loves him very much too, if anything we would both be suffering from not having one another. Gosh, hope that makes sense and not too D&M !!
Holly - GO THE POWER HERBS, im now looking for someone who will do my accupunture now that Antonia doesnt.
Sparkkles - i know what you mean about loving your animals, we had a boxer several years ago, who was hit by a car/ or clipped by a train. i found him by the line. still alive bt in a real mess, missing a leg ect and whould need a whole face reconstruction, we had to make the desission to have him helped to sleep. it was so hard we just had a pg confirmed on IVF and were waiting on 2nd BT as they wernt very good, it was my birthday and my family were all a 1000000 miles away, it was so hard and took me so long to get over and the image out of my head. his treatment would have cost $8000 which we would have paid but putting in through surgery everyday and being tube feed for months and months and having the tube replaced every three days i dont think i could have coped with. i still get out my memory box that i have of him and even showed the girls on friday. he was a beautiful dog with so much to give, such a tragic end and only 18 months. I know it was really bad but he was only 5 weeks when we got him so he really was my furbaby. We have just adopted Harvey the wonder dog, much, much smaller and after two and 1/2 years of life with out Monty i am starting to feel the pain ease, gee i still miss him every day though.
Jo - any news on where your at?
Must be off before i start my next novel ....hehehe
Hey lou, no worries, I feel like one of the girls now anyway ;)
Hope your cycle ends soon so you can have some degree of planning for the next cycle.
I think it's great how you responded to your friend's baby. I know some people find it difficult and that's fair enough, but I reckon if you can be that way it just makes your life so much easier. Good on you.
Lou, just try keeping me away! I suspect I'm going to be watching this place until each and every one of you graduate.
Rols, welcome to the club! I'm sure we'd all be happy to have you as an honourary woman! I won't admit to the weird image that ran through my head with that thought...
Chez, take care - watching your weight and waist measurements is a good plan. I knew I was in trouble when I gained 3kg over night... I ended up weighing myself several times a day. Never did the measurement thing, by the time I was told about it the stretched feeling to my skin and the enormous bloated abdomen was indication enough that I'd hyperstimulated! All up I gained 5kg of fluid with the OHSS... and when it went away it took an extra kg with it. Must have been the liquid diet for two and a half weeks! All DH could get me to eat was soup...
Going to go crash now... :bedtime:
BW