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Sparkles, I thought your DH's first test had 98% poor morphology, and I wasn't aware of the second test. If one result did have 40% as good then that is well and truly within the normal range. I can't recall the figure but you only need a ridiculously low percentage to be in the normal range. Something like 3% of normal forms as a minimum.
And you had a laparoscopy? Seems a bit full on if you didn't have any symptoms of endo?
Anyway good news that you've checked out OK. The similarities continue to amaze me - even DW is due for AF same time as you.
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Just checking in, have made an appointment with my FS for 8th August, so I have six weeks left to lose some more weight. So far I have lost 6.8kg in about 7 weeks, I need to get below a BMI of 35 before we can begin ICSI, so I probably need to lose another 5-6 kilos in that time. The only thing that might get in the way is that I turn 21 in a couple of weeks and have decided that I can have one night off my diet- hopefully that doesn't ruin everything.
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One night off is a great idea and wont ruin a thing. And well done on your weight loss. That amount in that time is both safe and very good.
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hey Rols, Hubby first did a SA in Dec and the results came back slightly low motility thats all they told us so they led us to beleive everything was fine,( i only found out the morphology of this tet yesterday asi asked and he said 40%fine)- and i wasnt ovulating properly so they put me on clomid and it worked but i still wasnt falling so they did a lap to see if everything was fine no blockages etc and he said everything is perfect- so he sent hubby for another test this time at Monash ivf clinic and thats the one where it came back 98% Morphology that was in May so i dunno?? it was also low volume both times and only 19%motility this time, maybe it was a more thourough test. We will see in the next test i suppose, i was a tad annoyed about the first one but like he said a males sperm can change all the time. My hubby is taking 45 tablets a day noe heheh ( some are chinses medincine, 12 tabs 3 times a day) poor bugger, anyway his next test is aug6th so we will see
I know i cant beleive how similar our situation is...so when is your first appointment with nurses etc?
do you know when in August your starting, the lady at work has photocopied everythig for me to look at, wow its a 40 day process of hormones etc...but its def worth it
have a great day xo
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Yeah apparently the results can vary a lot with SA. Mine have got better if anything each time.
Our first nurse appt is July 10 for 2 hours whilst they give us the run down on all the technicalities. I'm not sure when DW is supposed to start the drugs and stuff, but they have said the actual egg collection and IVF procedure will be around mid-August.
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IUI or IVF
Hi everyone
Okay - crunch time. IF (and it is a big if) that my one follie contains a viable egg, what should I be pushing my FS to do? I have another scan tomorrow morning so want to be sure to be armed with information and lots of questions. I have already started a list of questions, the top of which is: should we try IUI or IVF? Given that there is only one follie is there a reduced risk by keeping it intact inside me and trying the IUI. My concern is that DF's sperm showed low motility (2%) and none of the 3 zona binding tests done were good (that is testing whether the sperm can actually break the surface of the egg for fertilization) - sorry if this is TMI - which is why we were going for an IVF cycle with ICSI. I guess I want to get an idea of what is going to be the less risky option (and hopefully more chance of success). My FS has said that with one egg, there is a 50% chance that it won't fertilise or be of quality to successfully transfer, so are we better off keeping the eggie inside me and trying the IUI? I would appreciate everybody's opinion/advice/experience on this as this is our first cycle and yes I am still stumbling around in the room trying to find that damn light switch!!!!
Thanks in advance everyone, take care and talk soon.
Cheryl xxx
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With low motility I can't imagine that IUI would be viable. You'd think IVF/ICSI would be the only option if the egg is up to the job.
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sorry Cheryl - i didn't realise you had male factor as well (so many people to keep track of in here!!) - i think you'd have to go to EPU - but check with your FS for sure!
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Oh Chez...it's a big decision.
In situations like this I tend to put my trust in the FS...not blind trust...but it's really important to hear their reasons for recommending a particular choice...it may be that they suggest IUI to save your body from the EPU procedure...which I find really taxing on the ovaries and body...and it takes a while to get over which may affect when you can start your next cycle...if you need one? I would ask them about that?
But then they may recommend ICSI due to zona issues...
It's so hard because it only takes one! I think it comes down to whether your a numbers person or a 'faith' person...a numbers person would look at the odds...where a faith person would say one follie is one follie! Only you will know what feels right for you. Good luck xxx
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Hi Everyone!
Chez - Its a hard hard choice... I would think that the reason your FS wants to do the IUI is because of a few reasons - "They Say" (whoever they is, I don't really know :rolleyes: ) that sometimes your body tends to accept the egg better if it isn't a foreign object (ie. being taken out and then put back in again), so if its already in there, the chances maybe better instead of hoping that your body will take it back... With the IUI, they wash the sperm, so look at it in the sense that its still a much better chance than with just nat conception (You have a follie in there, too and who knows how many eggs are in there waiting to be released ;) ). FS's tend to be numbers people, and not so much rely on faith, and so he may think that collecting only the one egg and relying on it to fertilise and then stick might be a small percentage because there are a few hurdles... Its hard to say, sweetie, I agree with Ellie in regards to the numbers and faith theory.
If you have faith, then you believe that the little egg (or eggs.. Its one FOLLIE, not one egg that we know of!) will fertilise, and then continue on to divide and then stick after transfer... I would have faith in the fact that they can do the assisted hatching to help the sperm penetrate the egg.... but your FS may not want to do all of this & put all of his faith in what he thinks may be only one egg, and maybe disappointment for you...
The other thing you have to consider is, like Ellie said, you will need time before doing another cycle to recover after EPU, whereas you can start straight away after the IUI.... I guess wiegh up the options, and you will know what you believe is right.
That is, too if the FS will let you choose, or if he will do what he thinks is best.... Its so hard to know, I do truly believe that they will tell you what they think is best, and they do know what they're doing because of the experience of other women and their successes....... Sorry, hun, I'm really of no help here and its just me rambling on with no real answer.... but something I've said may have sparked a thought for you :rolleyes: :D
My best wishes for you while you make your decision xxx
Love Holly
xxx :D
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Hi Chez,
Poor you honey. A tough place you are in right now. Is DF away? That must make it harder.
I am with the other girls. There are good arguments for going either way. Your FS knows you, your health, and DF's issues too. I would definitely raise your concerns and discuss all the options, but really consider the FS's advice.
Good luck chickie - we are thinking of you!
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Hi everyone
Thanks for your replies - some of you must have been reading my mind ;) because that is exactly what I have been thinking all afternoon: its an odds game versus a hope/faith game. Now my logical brain is telling me, go for the odds. My concern is that we have gone through all of this and not end up with a fertilised egg with IUI, whereas that is at least one thing that can be controlled (if the egg is of good enough quality of course!) and that is where we know the issue is at the this stage, with DF and yes, he is away, back tomorrow night for a few days and then away again :( I do not have any diagnosed problems, not even a hint of endo or PCOS for which I am grateful but sometimes I think it would be easier because then I would have some answers (that's just me being a control freak - I do try to keep it in check).
Anyway, I had another acunpuncture session this morning complete with a visualisation session of conception through to birth. I wanted to start crying so badly when we got to the birth part and was visualising holding my baby for the first time but I held it together (just!). I am amazed at how powerful my emotions are at the moment - sometimes I don't even feel a bout of tears or sadness coming on, bam it just hits me! I hate feeling like that because it so not me. But anyway, I am whinging to ladies who have been through so much more than me, so no sympathy required :redface:
I am hopeful now, after reading your posts, that maybe my one little follie will hold more than egg - now that would be fantastic news!!! :crossfingers: I am keeping everything crossed for a good result tomorrow morning.
Thanks again everyone, and I hope you are all sniffing and jabbing and popping away nicely and counting down your calendar!!
Cheryl xx
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Cheryl...don't ever think you are whinging or that people have been through more...it's not about sympathy, it's about compassion. We all feel for where you are in your journey...some of us have been in your shoes and are re-living every step with you...others may be in your shoes tomorrow or the next day...either way from friend to friend you have our love and support no matter what...I really pray that this little follie is the one and you will have good news tomorrow xxx
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Ellie and everyone - thanks so much for your wonderfully kind words. For people I have never met (and probably never will) it is such a boost to know that I have everyone's love and support no matter what is happening elsewhere! Thank you again. I will let everyone know as soon as I can what happens tomorrow. Trying to think lots of positive thoughts...
Take care all.
Cheryl xxxxx
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Chez - Just wanted to reinforce what Ellie said - We are all here for each other no matter what... you can't possibly compare yourself to anyone, only yourself, and this is the first time YOU'VE had to go through this, and thats all that matters xxxx
I hope that you get the outcome you're hoping for tomorrow... Remember that follie may have more than one egg.. you never know!!
And in regards to the emotion... thats the drugs, and thats why they call AC a rollercoaster ride!!!! The visualisation is really powerful, too, so that would have made a big impact on you.. add the fact that your DH is away... OMG I WOULD have cried!!!
:hug: For you and all the best for tomorrow xxx
Love Holly
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Chez hun - the others completely right - please don't try to minimise what you're feeling because of what others have been through! we're all at different points in our journey and no one is going to think anything nasty about you for venting when things aren't going to plan!!! we all have good days - and we DEFINITELY have bad days - and we're most certainly not "fair weather" friends! we're here for you through the good and the bad.
you have every right to feel emotional at the moment - as Holly has said, you have so much more going on than just the AC drugs at the moment, and that would mess with your emotions no matter what your body was doing with the drugs!!
i just want to send you the bestest of wishes for tomorrow - talk to the doctor about what s/he thinks will give ou the best chances of success - and then go for it! hugs hun - you deserve for this to happen!
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Chez - what do you mean you'll never meet us? I will meet you one day when we have a Vic get-together for all our AC bubs to meet each other!!
But really, we are all here for you. You have been so honest and open and we want to support you as best we can. BG is right - this is hardly the place to find fair weather friends - quite the opposite! I'm not as good with the words as the others are, but I am hoping like crazy you can still get an emby from this cycle.
BG - Speaking of fair weather friends - how are you? Not flooded out where you are? I hope your road to work is closed, so you can have a day off :lol:
I want some sympathy though (just kidding)...there is a huge huntsman on the wall looking at me and I hate it. I can't kill them (not when they are harmless and the size of a small kitten), but i really wish they'd go live outside!!!
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BG - scratch that - i just read your journal (shoud have looked there first !!)
