I just wanna know why it wasn't recommended in pregnancy and now it is.
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I just wanna know why it wasn't recommended in pregnancy and now it is.
all the literature i have recieved through public healtha nd teh government, has reccomended it for pregnant women.
tami flu and relenza which si the precaution medication and medication given post positive result wasnt recomended for pregnant women, but after further study they found it actually had less risks that letting the mother fight it without medication as the ones who recieved no medication or medication to late have had miss carraiges or pre term labour with ill effects, yet those who got teh medication in time have had minimal side effects.
Have I missed an announcement Lulu ;):
The problem is that it hasn't been specifically tested for use in pregnant women. They are just assuming that it should be fine and they can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be and pregnant women as a group have had the most complications etc from the actual Swine flu so they think that it is worth whatever miniscule risk there may be when compared to the outcomes of those who caught it while pregnant.
their backing that it is fine is teh fact that it is NOT a "LIVE" vaccine so this means it contains no active part of the infection ( H1N1 influenza) but allows teh body to trick itself and produce antibodies against it. basically we are not injecting the virus into you but the chemical make up for teh antibodies.
and with studies done on other non activated vaccines they have show now ill effects on pregnant women. so the theory is if its not live its safe for use.
this vaccine shouldnt be given to people with an allergy to egg as it is made on a product which is based on chicken protein or has had an anaphylactic hypersensitivity to previous vaccine.
Hi Sue,
I've been thinking about this vaccination as well. It is a personal choice, and although I get a flu shot every year (it's offered to everyone at work for free), my gut says no to the swine flue injection. I'm seeing a new GP (my old one retired) and she was being pushy about it, but I've contacted my OB and he said that swine flu is safe in pregnancy and unless I'm super stressed about it I should get it. He said we're out of the flu season anyway. So I'm going to give it a miss, and I feel better about making this choice. But like the other girls have said, each to their own and it is a personal choice.
Beata.
I have been pretty torn about this vaccine.
I have my flu shot every year regardless of whether or not I am pregnant because I am susceptible to bronchitis and have had several bouts of mild pneumonia following from Flu and Bronchitis. When I do have my vax I might get the sniffles but it never develops.
This one though I am not sure about. I am 4ish weeks from having bub so I may decided to have it after I have given birth but I am in two minds. If there is no live flu bugs just like the normal flu vaccine then I will not be as concerned.
Kawazuki - do you know if any anitbodies are transferable through BM??
Nae x x
As far as I know all antibodies that the mother has are transferred to the baby through breastmilk. That is one of the reasons that BFing is so important, specially the colostrum stage.
as a general rule yes, but the quality and quantity are unknown and can not be used as a gaurentee for immunity aginst something, hence why children still need child hood immunisations even if breast fed.
this is still abit up in the air as they are saying children under 10 are not to recieve the vaccine.
so a bit contraindicative as to why pregnant women who will then flow on the immunity through breast feeding and placental transfer are ok but if a baby was born teh day before the release of the vaccine they recieve nothing nor to the children aged 0-9.
also something to note it can take up to 2 weeks for you to be immune and teh vaccineto actually work in your sysetm. and you are not gaurenteed full coverage for atleast 2 weeks, the only time you get immediate coverage is with a live vaccine.
so being 4 weeks from birth, its almost worth saying wait till after you have bub and then get it done. as you will only have a total of 2 weeks coverage whilst pregnant.
and the flu season is actually still in swing, and continues for a bit longer, especially in cooler climates. we haev had more people coem with with the flu in the last 3 weeks than in the "high" flu period.
I'm so glad to see there are so many other pregnant woman out there who are as unsure about this as I am!! I have asked my GP and OB and both said to give it a couple of weeks and then see, just to make sure there are no side effects.
I am an asthmatic and a teacher and have had the flu vacine in previous years, but I've never had it while pregnant. I know it is a very similar vaccine to the normal flu vaccine but I'm just not sure.
My DH keeps on telling me to have it, he says that the government are recommending it for pregnant woman so therefore it must be ok, but how many times do we question what the government say about things??
My next OB appointment is in 3 wks so I will wait till then and go on my OB recommendation. I think the next wave of it is due during the European winter, so we still have a little time before that really hits.
I completely understand that the risk of getting Swine flu is a very serious one and I definately want to take precautions to stay away from it, but I'm just not sure about this vaccine yet!!
Lou. :doh:
I will be getting it, probably tomorrow when I go to my OB.
Thanks for everyones input, it has been really useful to read what everyone has to say.
My concern isn't what it will do to my unborn baby now, it is possible damage that might come to light 10 or 20 years down the line. Kind of like the DES drug that was given to mothers for morning sickness. Look at the damage and controversy that caused.
I've never had a flu vaccination ever. I think I'm going to go with my gut on this one and just not get it.
Thanks again for your wonderful input.
Sue x
Unfortunately thimerosal (mercury) is not the only toxic heavy metal present in this vaccine. Some people are avoiding it for ethical reasons as it contains cell lines from an aborted feotus. Either way, for anyone who is interested in researching the ingredients of this vaccine before they decide whether or not to have it - the following list of ingredients will help you to make an informed choice. This list includes everything additional to the actual swine flu virus strain itself - which is obviously the whole purpose of the vaccine.
You reserve the right to know exactly what will be injected into yours and subsequently your baby's bloodstream.
aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells
I had swine flu when I was about 32 weeks pg with DD2 and it is not fun. I don't have to worry about having the vaccine now because my doctor said if I've had it, I've had it and don't need a shot.
If you are pregnant and not going to have the shot, I would give the following advice - as soon as you have a temp of 38 degrees or higher and any flu like symptoms (the high temp is the biggest indicator though), see your doctor. They can put you on Tamiflu which did minimise the symptoms for me. If you wait a few days after the symptoms start, they can't put you on Tamiflu.
I went on Tamiflu while I had swine flu and it wasn't an easy choice because it's risks are unknown, but I was aware of the risk of leaving my swine flu untreated by the number of pregnant women in ICU in the Townsville hospital (my mum is a nurse there and also it was all over the news at the time). I gave birth to a healthy full term baby despite other complications in my pg unrelated to swine flu or tamiflu.
Townsville had more than half of Queensland's cases of swine flu and there were a number of women who lost babies or babies became brain damaged because they contracted it while pregnant. There were also a number of non-pregnant people who died in Townsville because of swine flu or complications following swine flu (such a pnuemonia). All of these cases were because they did not seek medical advice early on and waited until they were very very sick.
It is a serious illness and I do think you need to decide what you are comfortable with. I don't know that I would be comfortable with the vaccine while pregnant either, but be aware of the symptoms and if you show any signs, see a doctor immediately.
As a side note, my DH was also sick with the same symptoms as me, except much much worse couldn't get tamiflu (which is why I suspect it was worse) and couldn't get swabbed so didn't have official confirmation that he had swine flu, had his vaccine last week as a precautionary thing. He is normally healthy, with no allergies so there is very little risk factor of him having a reaction to it. He has had no side affects and despite the rest of us having a horrendous head cold this week, he remains completely well.
Having had swine flu, if I wasn't pregnant and couldn't access tamiflu, I would most likely have the vaccine because the illness is attrocious and having to fight it without taking anything was awful for both my DH and my two children (who also got it - most likely from us - and despite being babies, did not fall into a risk category and could not have tamiflu either).
Bleeuuurrgh Jellybean!
Just coming in to confirm there is NO announcement coming Muppity my friend :lol:
the statistics of reactions are very interesting aswell.
the largest statistic was 25.8% of people trialed with this vaccine got a head ache. that was the biggest percentage of all.
also those ingredients arent the same as the ones listed on teh product disclosure statement we got at work with a listing of the ingredients and amounts etc.
also there is no thimerosol in teh single dose syringe. its only used in teh multi dose vial becuas eit needs to maintain equality of distribution of ingredients in teh multidose vial.
so if your concerned about it they can order in 10 single dose syringes, it is not totally out of teh question.
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Kawasuki the link in Sue1979"S post shows a statement that the vax is ok for people with egg allergies as most of them are mild??:
I'd always heard you shouldn't have it if you had egg allergies, this is the kind of conflicting info that makes me wonder...who do we believe??...If the experts can't agree how are we supposed to make our decisions with the conflicting information? Very frustrating.
The pamphlet (read propaganda) I got from the doctors office yesterday makes mention that is is NOT safe for people with egg allergies
When you have the vaccine, you have to fill out a form and one of the items on the declaration is that you don't have an egg allergy. This form has to be completed and signed before they will give you the vaccine. If I read literature stating otherwise, I would seriously question the validity and creibility of the literature and the author.
ETA: Just had quick read of the article and there are a number of 'myths' listed there that are on the form to sign to say that you have been informed of the risk including the one about paralysis.
Yes but cake is dangerous for some people with egg allergies :dunno: I don't get why people are more suspicious of a vaccine than the foods they buy off the supermarket shelf. I really don't think there is a hidden agenda here. I also don't get the comparison with Thalydimide... sure medical professionals will never know how everything affects everyone but I do believe them when they say they have seen more deaths (due to contracting the virus) than birth defects from the H1N1 vaccine. At one stage there were half a dozen pregnant women on life support (due to having contracted H1N1) in one Sydney hospital alone the last time it swept through. BUT I still believe that all of us need to weight up our individual intuitive response to this. I agree it is not for everyone. But I suspect it is safe for the majority.
the reason eggs are listed is because the vaccine is made and produced in a chricken embryo. it is infected with H1N1 and then the antibodies produced are used so it has quite a high egg content.
it is just one precaution listed, as the implications if someone had an allergic reaction cant then come back and say i wasnt informed.
when someone has a reaction it get reported and it is all reported what we suspect the allergic reagent was eg the eggs or a sulphuric product or unknown cause..
From the article:
MYTH:
In 1976 a swine flu vaccine in the USA caused paralysis (Guillian-Barre Syndrome) and it could do again.
FACT:
It was a one-off. The original effect was only an additional one case of GBS per 100,000 people vaccinated. The modern vaccine is very different, and no subsequent vaccines have been linked to GBS. In fact, research suggests vaccination may REDUCE the likelihood of getting GBS, which can be caused by an infection.
I developed GBS in 1992 when I was 10 following my annual flu vax, and both my GP and the specialist who treated me in Sydney said it was probably brought on by the immunisation. I haven't been vax'ed against the flu since despite being a chronic asthmatic on their recommendations. They also said be careful of MMR (can't remember why) and to just get straight rubella if I plan on becoming pregnant.
So in short, I'm not getting it, but that's because my GP has advised against it due to my history. I don't think I would want to get an immunisation whilst pregnant anyway, but that's just me.
I am 11weeks pregnant and had the swine flu vacine.
They have seen so many pregnant women become so sick with the actual swine flu itself, and new mums have actually died from it.
THis is my 3rd child and i know that when ur pregnant and get the flu its 10x worst then a normal flu.
My hubby also got the vacine as they are trying to immunise fathers to be also, incase a parent contracts the actual virus while they have a newborn. Imagine your newborn contracting the virus.
When my eldest child (now 8) was around 2 meningococcal and meningitis was a big thing and they came out with the vacine, i was torn on whether or not to get her vacinated as it was a new thing, i got her vacinated against it and all was fine.
I think this is the same thing, I will be getting my 2 kids vacinated against swine flu when it becomes available, there has already been far to many deaths with the swine flu virus but yet no deaths with the vacine.
My sister is a public servant for the government, they were already vacinated over 3months ago. she had pregnant women in her sector vacinated and yet there has been no proplems.[/FONT]
It really is one of those things that is a personal descion.
I got the vax and i know there are pro's and cons with everything but i feel comfortable with my decision.
I've just signed up on here as I was looking for info on the swine flu vaccination. I'm 27 weeks pregnant and avoided having the jab last year as I had the same concerns listed here - no clue what the potential long-term side effects are for the baby.
However, I'm now getting ready to head back to school in 2 weeks (I'm a high school teacher) and have heard that they're expecting the swine flu to come back around Feb/March. (Just as it came back in the US in Aug/Sept as autumn began and kids were going back to school.) As a teacher and an asthmatic, I know I'm at higher risk... but still very nervous about this vaccine. However, I do always get the seasonal flu shot every year, and I suppose I'm not really sure why the long-term side effects for the swine flu vac would be any different to those of the seasonal flu vac?? So with that part of my brain, I'm thinking I should go ahead and get it... Also, nearly ALL of my American friends who are pregnant, as well as my sister who is a nurse, were recommended by their OB's to get the jab.
BUT, I called 2 different sources today in Sydney to get their recommendations, and got 2 very different answers... Mothersafe wholeheartedly recommended it, while the midwife at my hospital said she wouldn't get it and that the current jab won't necessarily provide any protection about the swine flu that may or may not arrive here in Feb/March... She suggested waiting for a month or so to see if there is another outbreak, and getting the shot then if it happens...
So I'm just wondering if anyone here has had any recent recommendations from their doctors?? I know a lot of these posts were from October when the jab was very new, so just wondering if anyone has done anything about it recently?
Thanks!
My understanding is that, like the annual flu vax, the swine flu vax is based on the virus that has already been around and it will only provide limited (if any) protection against the new strains that develop. I am not an immunologist (or any kind of octor :lol:) however, so please don't take my words as gospel!
I can't get the flu vax (due to developing Guillain Barre Syndrome after getting the shot when I was 10) and I'm a brittle asthmatic, and I've only had the flu once in 17 years of not getting vaccinated. It really is a personal decision with the swine flu shot. I'm not going to get it due to the before-mentioned reason, but I know pregnant women who have had it and they (and their babies) are fine :)
If you want good information, see if you can Google some peer-reviewed articles maybe?
Hi Ladies,
First time user here so not really sure how the ropes work, but thought I'd share my story. I was just over 6 weeks pregnant with my first baby. At two doctors strong recommendations I got the swine flu shot. After 4 days of getting it done my baby stopped developing. I had to have a D&C. My instincts were screaming at me not to get the shot but I decided to trust the doctors. I wish I had turned to these forums before I made that decision. It's a hard lesson to learn. To all, please reconsider getting the shot.
https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...ys-expert.html
The miscarriage story isn't unheard of too.
Shocking H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Miscarriage Stories From Pregnant Women
From another thread I posted:
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Its an absolute Farce. The UK is trying to fob off 1 billion pounds worth of the stuff, as is France who have 79 million vaccines in stock that they are trying to get rid of as are other countries. Some are calling it the biggest scams this century and its being investigated by peak bodies...
Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly to Investigate WHO and “Pandemic” Scandal
There is so much info on this that it's not funny. Over 1 million doses were recalled a couple of weeks ago also, and there is the huge story about vitamin D being more effective than the swine flu vaccine.... I wouldn't do it, its not properly tested, its a scam and it's a money making joke.:
The motion was introduced by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg, former SPD Member of the German Bundestag and now chairman of the Health Committee of PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe). Wodarg is a medical doctor and epidemiologist, a specialist in lung disease and environmental medicine, who considers the current “pandemic” Swine Flu campaign of the WHO to be “one of the greatest medicine scandals of the Century.
MadeleineV - so sorry for your loss :(
Hi duffwoman,
Good luck with your decision :)
I've come to the conclusion that if I get the jab it will be in March sometime. Maybe there will be a revised vacc to treat the new strain? I've been meaning to look in to that....
Personally I'm over the whole conspiracy theory view of the swine flu and vacc. Maybe I'm too trusting, but I just can't see how the Government would take the risk of okaying a vacc for pregnant women and children if it weren't safe.
Thats what they are all doing with Gardasil! Money makes the world go around.
What Kelly said. I'm neither pro or anti vac, but in the case of H1N1, it all comes back to money and corporations. I think the power share between governments and corporations is incredible. The average politician / public servant knows bugger all about the science of disease, and takes advice from the corporate sector and privatised bodies. Capitalism is becoming an obese cow.
I wouldn't put it in my body, no way.
I think flu vaccines are always made using the last strain to have gone around, as they can't make a vaccine for a flu strain that hasn't been infectious here yet? I think it's because the flu mutates so quickly. I'm pretty sure the same thing goes for the swine flu vaccine, whatever shot you're getting will be based on the last strain to have been here.:
Anyone, feel free to correct me if you know otherwise!
I'll be getting the vac for myself and my DS. DH and I work in an environment where ppl travel a lot and I use public transport. DS is also in day care so I think we are open to the virus.
i've spoken to several GPs and heard what they said.
So will be getting the vaccine for us, I'm not going to risk anything happening to me, my unborn child or my son.
It's a shame that MadeleineV hasn't posted in BB since this thread (her only post to date)... sounds like she could have needed the support.
There's no way I'll be getting it, pregnant or not :shakehead:
DS and I jsut got ours
i posted in here but where has it gone!
I think you posted here, hun https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...ml#post2175570:
this thread is more vaccine friendly with more women who have taken it
Thanks hun found it lol pg brain kicking in hey