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I had an epi with number one, I also had episiotomy, and I recovered quicker than with my second birth no pain relief. I would have considered it for number 2 except I had her in less than 2 hours. Dont' dismiss anything, just read up on it. I also tried gas and it did make me sick. Disgusting!
I would like to go drug free this time as well, but again, I will go in with open mind, because if I do need pain relief, I dont' want to feel bad that I have it. xo
Right on!:
If you can get your head around the ways that your body supports your efforts to birth your baby, AND create conditions for your birth that will facilitate that (eg. stay home as long as possible, darkness, privacy, minimising interference, good support - either from a well prepared partner or a doula or both etc) you have a fantastic chance of just eliminating all the risks and drawbacks associated with chemical pain relief and doing it on your own.
There are some great books and information out there (even articles here on BB) about the role of labour pain and how it is different to other forms of pain. Often the desire to go straight for drugs is a fear issue, or a control issue or both. Have a think about these things too...we are of a generation that is not at all used to having to put up with discomfort and is also used to being able to fix and control things. Labour is about letting go of control to a large degree and this is something many of us are fearful of. That can make medicating the pain a very attractive option too.
Epidurals can have their place but they are not a magic bullet. For first time mothers especially, the risk of further interventions after them is very high, and very real. It's not scaremongering, it is clear in black and white every year when the perinatal data is released that caesarean, episiotomies and instrument use (forceps, ventouse) are all extremely high for first time mothers who have an epidural. You're also more likely to end up with syntocinon augmentation after an epidural - which increases your risk of a distressed baby.
So really look into it and if you do decide that you want to do it naturally, make sure that you prepare. While birth is instinctive we are so out of touch with our really primal instincts now that it definitely pays to do a bit of work beforehand to reconnect with the part of us that will carry us through the journey :)
Good luck.
Saying an epidural is safe for babies is not correct, you can't make statements like that if you haven't researched it. Did you know epidurals lower YOUR blood pressure while means less blood hence oxygen flow to the baby too? A baby can go into distress from it, I have seen it happen, mum was so close to birth but opted for an epi, baby crashed, they tried vacuum and forceps, both failed and it was an emergency c/s.
When people sing praises of epis which do have their place, they are talking up the risk of episiotomy, which can also result in infected stitches and women having to be restitched (not rare ocurrances, bb members have had this), vacuum and forceps which can fail and they can also result in pelvic floor issues, like prolapse and incontinence (again BB members have had this). Not to mention crashing babies - this also happened to the woman who runs Calmbirth at BB, she had a breech bub in a bad position and her baby crashed on the table after the epi and was in intensive care for ages because I am pretty sure she had to be revived for about 30 mins after birth. I cannot take epidurals lightly.
A simple, quick fix has many risks which you dont realise when you promote epidurals. Yes that can be ideal in certain situations. But encouraging people to have them when they can have serious implications and side effects, I think is not on. Need to research something properly before saying its safe, or the best thing... because with any intervention there are side effects. Just because you read it in books which you think are anti-intervention or on forums like this, doesn't mean it's just someone's opinion, its based on fact, and just myself doing some births have seen it with my own eyes. And that is very small snippets of the population, I only attend 1-2 births a month, less now, so how many women are going through this then thinking thank god they were in hospital, they had the doctor and hospital to 'save' the baby' when the cause was something they didnt understand?
I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad about their choices. Instead they need to know this BEFORE the birth, so they aren't left with their babies wondering, depressed or feeling guilty like many women do for their choices. If they were aware this could happen in the first place it can save alot of anguish, pain and wondering.
I strongly recommend getting a copy of The Business of Being Born, or reading any of the books BellyBelly recommends so you can get some facts and information about what you're getting into. By all means choose intervention if you need or want it. But at least understand what you're getting into and encouraging others to get into.
It's so good to read the experiences of so many people who have done similar research to me. I've been reading up on labour for many months now, probably for at least a year before I got pregnant.
When I announced my pregnancy I had a number of people (including men) say to me 'just go the epidural', and I found it infuriating. I'm not going to just do anything becuase you say I should. I think the key is to approach labour with an understanding of the various different stages, the pros and cons of different drugs, positions etc, and an understanding that it is a natural process which shouldn't always require doctors, drugs and instruments.
I had the gas and the peth for my first, I absolutely loved the gas even after it had stopped working it was like my security blanket, I wasn't too keen on the peth I didn't find it all that effective to be honest, and an epidural, that didn't even cross my mind and I don't think I could do it to be perfectly honest, my sister in law had and epi and she has been getting really strong back pains where they administered it to her and that was over 18 months ago.
Exactly TreeTops, we go through our whole pregnancies killing ourselves wondering if we should have that panadol for that terrible backpain, yet get to labour and its a smorgasboard - and we know drugs cross the placenta!!! Pethadine effected babies are given a shot of narcan (the same stuff they give to drug effected adults) to reverse any effects of the pethadine, which is more commonly seen when the peth has been given late in labour, prior to birth. Peth effected babies are born flat, don't attach properly, breastfeeding issues... because while drugs are in and out of our system in 4 hours, the half life for drugs in a baby's system is much longer, more like 12 hours...
One of the world leading experts into drugs and breastfeeding said there are two drugs women should absolutely avoid which are highly contraindicated for breastfeeding, one was pethadine and I forget the other brain freeze. LOL. I'll come back with it. These are narcotics! The effect they can have on women in labour too isn't nice afterwards, but you don't know it could happen... i.e. loss of memory, loss of clarity...
Not trying to bad all drugs here... but we are so misguided and I even saw a report on the news the other night that Australia is becoming (or is) one of the biggest pill pushing countries in the world!!! We have something we want to take something. It is no surprise that we have one of the highest (like top few) caesarean, induction and intervention rates in the world. And its not making experiences better. We are seeing more post natal depression, more post traumatic stress disorder, and an increase in complications and infections, especially ones which are extremely difficult to treat. We need to put that into perspective, expect we will hit a crisis of confidence in labour, appreciate that you wont get continuity of care in hospital which is CRUCIAL to better outcomes and look for prevention not 'wait and see' followed by emergency quick fix. Nothing wrong with having a well thought out plan in your birthing arsenal. You are not weak for needing a doula, more support, better education and information etc.
Pharmaceutical pain relief I have used - pethidine was horrible, made me very spaced out and unable to concentrate on the contractions. I totally lost control, and it didn't touch the pain. Gas and air was helpful for the peaks of transition contractions but again,the coaching on how to use it distracted me, and (in my experience) the nozzles are prone to malfunction, which is even more irritating and distracting.
Natural pain relief I have used - hot water on my back. Fantastic for back labour. Pressure on my back over the sacrum was also very helpful. Different positions - experimenting with lots of different positions was great to help things along and find the most comfortable way of labouring. I did lots of pelvic "dancing" with the last couple, circling my hips through contractions while leaning on dh. That felt amazing.
Visualisation was fantastic for me, and learning different ways of thinking. I would concentrate on what contractions felt like, such as thinking of 'stretching, burning, pushing, pressure', rather than 'pain'. Welcoming the contractions with positive noises like 'yeeeesssss' and 'open' and 'gooooood' really, really helped, rather than fighting them. Fear is a massive inhibitor of endorphins, the body's natural painkillers.
Best of luck!!
But at the same time, women who choose to have an epi are not weak either.:
I have found that in all of the pg books I have they are promoting not having any drugs whatsoever and really guilt you into it ("Oh, your baby wont be able to feed properly afterwards, you wont be able to push, you'll have to have intervention" etc etc). Just as it is dangerous "promoting" epi's etc, I think it is just as dangerous to rule them out all together. If a woman is made to feel like she has made a bad/wrong decision by having one then surely this can be just as traumatic as any other negative experience in birth.
I believe that whatever you find works best for you is the best option, and you shouldn't have to feel guilty about it. 3 of my girlfriends gave birth at around the same time as me, 2 had epi's and had no intervention, 1 had no pain relief and had no intervention. They all have their babies now and no regrets about their labour and their choices. Like I said (and many have) it's all about being informed beforehand- but don't let people scare or guilt you into thinking the decisions you make are "wrong".
Epidurals sounds quite risky and dangerous-i never realised it came with all these hidden effects, and its true everyone says to get the epi. i really hope to use only at the most gas and oxygen ? But hopefully try to avoid as much as possible. I never thought it would be possible to not use any kind of pain relief during labour-is it actually possible to rely on just breathing, hot water bottle on back or just gas? Wouldnt it hurt like hell downstairs if i was to tear-or do they numb the area? I asked my gp a while ago about epidurals and he said its absolutely fine-but i think he doesnt think that the risks are quite high now. hmmm..... its just sounds so amazing to give birth without any pain relief at all!! Im going to be giving birth at the cabrini hospital in malvern -anyone also?
Absolutely it's possible!! And it's not necessarily only for heroes and martyrs ;) And for me, I far prefer that over anything else! The pushing stage is powerful and, yes, the whole "ring of fire" thing is pretty challenging - but it can also be amazing and profound and those moments of the sensation of my babies sliding out of me are the most amazing of my life. I can't imagine being denied that feeling.:
Also, I don't know about other people, but that whole pushing stage was much less painful than the transition which preceded it. I know it isn't like that for everyone and i've been blessed with being left with an intact perineum three times out of five, and only minor tears the other two times... but some of that has come about because of my choices about how I wish to labour, also.
There's nothing wrong with making an *informed* decision to have an epidural, by the way, I don't believe that at all. There are risks with induction, and I've chosen two of those for "social" reasons. But you will feel most at peace, I believe, with whatever the outcome, if you are truly prepared for the implications of any decisions you make. Epidurals *do* come with risks - you need to decide what level of risk is acceptable to you, and what you have to gain or lose by making the decision.
If you practice and are prepared then breathing and hot water bottles etc are meant to be really really effective!! My mother used breathing alone (and a bit of a back rub from her then DH) and although it still hurt, she said she went into the pain and it wasn't all that bad. Apparently tearing doesn't hurt so much because everything is so stretched down there, or so I've been told by women who have torn.
I'll keep my :crossfingers: you get the birth you want!! :D
I had a epi and regreted it big time - the only reason being is cause i really wanted a drug free labour, but no one really supported me when the pain became too much, they all recommended the epi.
As for it completly taking the pain away - it didnt cause i asked for a very low dose of it, and if needed i would ask for it to be topped up.
I still felt every single contraction, and was still in pain, but the edge had been taken off it making it a bit more bearable and what i could handle!
As for any side affects, the epi had totally warn off when it came round to pushing and they wouldnt top it up, so i was able to push. And my recovery was pretty quick!
I felt like a failure in the end for having the epi and still gets me a bit down, even tho at the end of the day i did the pushing totally drug free.
I reccomend you do your research, and really think about if u want drugs or not!
And my biggest bit of advice - enjoy it! pain and all, its over so quick and the little bundle of joy you are left with afterwards is worth everything u go through!!!!
tutmae, I am not saying people are weak for choosing an epi or other pain relief at all. I think many people in the position to need one either have been induced or lack good support in labour, nothing to do with pain tolerance level. BellyBelly is here to educate and inform against the trend of everyone around us telling us to choose epis and caesareans. I feel like I need to share this info, who else is going to do it? Someone has to share the other side. What choice anyone makes from here, I have no concern for, they need to choose whats best for them. My concern is for women knowing there is a side they are not being told, and that they need to know both sides to make an informed decision and to have an empowered birth. The stats are not good, what's happening in birth is amongst the worst in the world, we can't just let it keep getting worse, because it is... so it's my little bit, my little purpose for my life. It will help some people and not all, even if it's one person I am happy.
Have a read of THIS story posted by a midwife Alan, about someone choosing to do what all her friends were telling her to do.... and the devistating catastrophe that happened as a result. All because her friends told her to.
For those who want a normal birth, THIS article will help where to get started.