laparoscopy?

Hi not sure this is the right name (laparoscopy) but im booked in to see my FD on the 14th of this month to ask him to book me in for one of these. Basically what i want is a clean out, them to check if i have endo and check my insides. We just had our 4th transfer fail (this was our last frozen embryo) so back to square one with another STIM cycle. The reason for me wanting this is because im concerned there may be something else causing us to still have no baby. Im 24 Dh is 25 the fertility problem is no motility and very low sperm count, we are both healthy and iv never had any problems, our first 2 transfers failed our 3rd i fell pregnant but lost it at 5 weeks and now our 4th transfer failed too, it may just be me but im starting to worry there may be something else because i never could have imagined we would still be in the waiting game after 4 embryo's. My brother inlaws GF text me yesterday and said she would be my surrogate, i know she was only trying to be nice but i found this very upsetting, i feel like everyone is starting to think i cant have a baby, this would crush me if it was true i dont think i could have my own child if it ment someone else got to carry it, feel it kick and give birth to it. I would love any advice on this operation as im a little lost at the moment and just unsure where to go from here xx

ah dear. It's a bit premature to be talking surrogates, but I spose her heart is in the right place.
Doing a lap is probably a good idea. It's pretty minor surgery so hopefully will all go smoothly for you.
Can I suggest you also do a little research into failure to implant/miscarriage and discuss some other diagnostic options with your doctor to investigate further in this regard? They've probably already done the basic bloodwork, but there are other things they can test for (and hopefully treat) that might be affecting your chances. Sometimes these are a little more invasive (like a uterine biopsy for eg) but if you're doing a lap anyway, maybe it's worth considering. (assuming the issue is not quality of embryos)

Good luck with everything! I hope it's just one more stim cycle for you - sometimes it really does just come down to a numbers game unfortunately.

:hug: i'm sure her she didn't mean it to sound the way it did. I remember by SIL offering the same thing and I was a bit taken aback by the prospect.

I have had a few of the Lap procedures and it is certainly not a bad idea, I know when they did mine they checked my tubes and a few other things while they were in there. The recovery is not too bad, you to feel a tad poked and prodded but!

I would suggest doing some research as Marcellus has suggested (try not to google though, I would get out some medical books) and then speak with your Doctor. If you are not getting the information you need I would find another specialist who is more willing to look at other areas.

Keep your chin up :) I really hope everything works out for you.

I've had a couple of laps done. My FS wouldn't start IVF without having had one done!! "It's good to know that you're starting with a clean slate, so to speak". His words!

Sue xxx

Thanks heaps ladies! yeah i will suggest some other test to be done too. Marcellus, i had 3 5 day embryos and a 1 6 day embryo and they told me they were good quaility embryos? I f you dont mind me asking how much did the procedure cost? and im guessing it can only be done at a private hospital? will i get in straight away?

It is possible to get it done in teh public system, but you'll have to wait.
I think it's $3000-4000-ish, but depends on whether you have PHI also and what level of cover. I had mine done overseas and it was about $200 (score!).
In that case, yeah, I'd be asking why they're not working. Sometimes it is just ****ty luck, but it's always worth asking I think.

Wow really that much??? do you get any rebate from medicare on that? Im not in a private health fund :(

Yeah, well it's free if you go public, but as I said, you'd have to wait - get yourself down on a waiting lsit right away!
I'm not sure about the cost btw, this is just my understanding. Have a look, someone posted about this recently asking about costs....

:hugs: Im sure your BIL GF had her heart in the right place, but I have to agree - it is a bit early to be thinking surrogacy (I know its hard)

My gyno will be performing a Lap in 6 weeks through the public system.

Basically he told me the wait for my local (public) hossie is a year and a half, yet if I travel a half hr (Blue Mtns) it will only take me 6 weeks. I first seen this gyno last week. I'll be having a D&C, pressurized blue dye test (for the tubes) and they will be having a look around (I have a cyst)

All the wonderful ladies here reassured me it is only minor surgery (which has made me feel better)

I hope a Lap will give you (and I) some more answers on this TTC journey!

Good Luck!

Goodluck naenae! i hope you get some answers. Iv just been reading another thread about getting multiple blood tests done for failure to implant, does anyone have an opinion on me getting these done first as there is a endo biopsy rather then me spending all this money for a lap?

Hi,

I just thought I'd let you know that we were also treated for severe male-factor infertility and it took us 7 transfers before we got our BFP. That probably doesn't make you feel any better, but sometimes it is just a numbers game, unfortunately. My FS was pretty unfazed when I received my fourth BFN. It's always worth looking into other issues so that you know what you're dealing with, but if your Lap comes back clear, it's entirely possible that there's absolutely no reason why you haven't fallen pregnant - just the numbers game. :(

GL.

I'd consider blood tests first, for sure.

Thanks again ladies, Persephone my DH and i had this talk but we didnt think the sperm problems came into the embryo quality factor? because the scientist have picked out the best we didnt think that its the reason of it taking so long? i might bring this up to my FD. I remember when we had our first appointment with DR Farag to be be refered to the IVF clinic i said to him " because they don't swim does that mean our baby will have a disability of some kind' he basically just half laughed and said ' no, trust me there is some that swim and its the DNA of the sperm that makes the baby so the swimming factor isn't an issue anyway'. So i hope he is correct, i probably don't have anything wrong with me but i think it will be peace of mind for me and when you have everybody asking if maybe i have issues because 4 havn't worked and offering to be a surrogate for you you do start to doubt your self. Im feeling really low at the moment, another girl at work announced she was pregnant yesterday, im over the moon for her but at the same time i feel like iv been left behind and wonder when it will be my turn, everytime one fails for me someone i know seems to get pregnant. Anyways i guess i will find a way to move on from here. xx

:hug::hug::hug:

I had 2 laps done through the public system - the first one i waited 2 weeks and the second one I waited 5 months. It just so happened that the Dr who did both my laps turned out to also have a private IVF clinic so after the laps were done we went to see him for our IVF. I think that if you don't mind waiting a bit for the public system then it's worth it. And I actually wrote them a letter (the 5 month wait one) and told them how much pain I was in with my periods and was there any way I could be seen quicker and i got my appointment through the next week.

You'll get there hun, unfortunately it does take some time.
Sue xxx