Sleep schols other than tresillian???

Are there any other places that do sleep schools????
I have spoken to tresillian and while i'm sure they are great I have been doing everything they have suggested since my girls were very little and still i'm having issues (yes - i know i have posted about this often) They have had the same bdtime routines since they were little - and obviously this isn't working otherwise my 2 year old would be going to bed before 11pm and my baby would be sleeping a little more than 60mins at a time. I have tried absolutely everything you can imagine to try and settle them and I'm begining to feel like an absolute failure because i KNOW they need their sleep but despite all our best efforts it just isn't happening. I have tried everything that people on here have suggested and still nothing. So maybe I need to look into other alternatives. Despite my efforts my thoughts are turning towards trying C/Crying :hide: I don't have any other ideas. I don't want to do it - i can't handle the crying now - i'll never cope doing CC.

So, are there any other sleep school type programs around that might be able to help me? I'm going insane here...

There is Karitani but think that's prob similar to Tressillian. There are some ppl/ mothercraft nurses that come and stay with you in your home. I'm not sure how gentle their methods are but maybe worth some research?

There's a private one in Castle Hill but they do CC....actually they told me it was OK for my baby to scream until she vomited....so um, yeah I wouldn't recommend them in a million years....

I *think* there's a sleep school attached to Liverpool hospy. Not sure what it's called though and I don't know thte methods they use (not much help am I??)
I just wanted to say you're doing a great job hun. I know how torturous non sleeping children can be, especially when you have two of them. You need to do what you need to do. If that is CC, then so be it. If that is something else, then whatever. As long as your kids are happy, content and safe, you are happy and safe and your hubby is happy, then all is well. Don't let anyone make you feel guitly or bad for any of the choices you are making as a parent to YOUR children. You know them best and you know what you're doing for them is the best for everyone.
:hug: sleeplessness sux big time.

Sunshine - you may have already done this but have you read the No Cry Sleep Solution?? I know you have already done the good start with the same night routine etc but there were a few other points that really made a difference for us (pre-April 2010 :rolleyes:) For us - we were missing the early tired cues and we have little beings that find an amazing second wind that just doesn't stop for hours!!!!! They run around like lunatics and that is the sign that I missed their early cues. Now, I just have to ride the waves until they settle (DD has just gone to sleep at 2230hrs) and DS1 is still up despite not having had a nap today. But they were / are overtired because I don't have the hands to settle them at the time they need it because DS2 is unsettled.

So I guess my point is, the book gave me the tools to recognise what their really early tired signs were and (for my children) I have a really small window of opportunity to settled them otherwise they reignite into the overtired, overstimulated state.

The Ashfield Infants Home has some services too if that helps but I am not sure about their techniques.

Does anyone put a tv on a timer in their kids room before going to sleep???
I will always continue books and routines etc but as i've put in other posts - i'm at a loss now of what else to try.

not a timer but when we were struggling getting Darcy to sleep in Darwin she watched her portable DVD player for a bit. She had headphones so it didn't bother Nate and it only used to take 10minutes and she'd be asleep. Not ideal, but it worked and I'm all for what works.

I have started putting a CD on with stories at bedtime whilst i feed and also whilst patting bub in bed if she wakes when being transferred to bed. The CD plays until the end.

We have only just started so not sure how successful it will be

Sunshine, you poor thing I am totally hearing you. :comfort: I am a Mummy with bad sleepers too, there are many of us!

Google Sleep and Settle. Natalie is wonderful. She came to visit us when Ewan was little (we lived in Newcastle at the time) and I can highly recommend her. I know she does phone consults as well.

All the best xx