I don't know what to do

Okay so ds1 was vaxxed to schedule, I had some reservations but I honestly thought it was what had to be done so I did it and crossed my fingers each time. ds2 was also vaxxed to schedule until after his 6 month ones. I had this really bad feeling in my gut about the 12 month ones so I started to do some research into the whole thing. Anyway I was horrified by the research and ds2 still hasn't had his 12 month ones at 19 months.

With dd I have ummed and ahhed, I don't want to vax her but yet I would never forgive myself if she caught a vpd and suffered a bad result from it. I declined her Hep B at birth and I had decided I would delay her vax schedule till after 1 or 2yrs old. And not get ds2 until he was 4.

But my ds1 is starting Kindy next week so now I am worried that he might bring something home and spread it to ds2 and dd so I am wondering if I should vax them then and cross my fingers once more.

I honestly can't separate which thought I hate more, pumping all the toxins into my babies blood stream or them catching something I may have been able to prevent.

This vax stuff is so hard... how did you all reach the decisions you did.

I would never forgive myself is DS caught something he could be immunised for . Children die in other countries everyday because they dont have access to vaccinations, so im my mind, I was preventing every possible thing I could in regard to diseases etc.

Also I think the whole thing about immunisations causing autism ridiculous, isnt that what most people are worried about. ? I dont get the whole debate anyways :)

Even chicken pox can be deadly so if the younger ones arent immunised and ds ended up being a carrier to it, yeah, id be worried too (also chicken pox, shingles in adults causes sterility) (for DH)

Well I'm not worried so much about the autism thing exactly. I am more worried in whole about what the mercury in the vaxxes can do to my babies neurological system on the whole. So I guess I'm more concerned about the fact that they are full of thimesoral (mercury) aluminium and fermeldyhyde (a known cancergin) Not to mention that they are cultured in animal kidneys and cells and aborted human lung cultures. I guess I am having a hard time weighing up knowingly pumping known poisons into my baby's blood system vs catching the disease... both seem equally horrible to me. There should be a better way.

I also don''t like the fact that the health professionals expect us to trust them but aren't honest in the information they give us. Stupid pamphlets about the vaccines that don't list the toxins that are in them. I think parents should be properly informed so they know what they are putting into their child.

I did vax my DD (she is nearly 4) but I am seriosuly contemplating not bothering with her 4 yo, particularly if she is ill. It is a really tough decision to my IMO, one I had no issues with prior to DD being born but something I certainly thought about after she was born and now. I have the same thoughts - what if she gets ill from a preventable illness but then on the flip side what if her asthma (mild) is caused from being vaxed?

I am reading a book atm called 'Healing the New Childhood Epidemics - Autism, ADHD, Asthma and Allergies'. Some of the information I take on board some of it I dismiss, but I guess it makes you more aware of the affects vaxxing can have on tiny bodies.

M2R - For alot of parents it isn't just about the autism debate. My gf swears her DS1 development was delayed / went backwards after his 3 month (?) injections and is also the possible cause of his allergies and other issues. She is choosing to vax her DS2 but on a delayed schedule - this was after reading the above book and also speaking to a mother whos son has high funtioning autism and her naturopath.

FWIW I just got the flu injection (with the included H1N1). This is b/c people in my work caught the H1N1 virus last year or the year before and I work in an office and didn't want to risk being ill with it. In addition, I'd rather have the injection than my DD (I feel my body can cope with vaxes - I have no external side effects) and try to prevent her getting the flu or equivalent that way.

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This vax stuff is so hard... how did you all reach the decisions you did.

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Can I firstly say that I think vaccinating your children is a personal choice, so I'll neither sway my post for or against vac'ing in terms of what you should do.

I am pro-vac. While I haven't researched extensively, I'm aware through online forums and the recent debates in the country that it carries a small chance of risk. OK - "small" is my thinking given my stance. I don't expect all will agree. I vac'd my kids because I didn't/don't want them to contract the illnesses these vac's were designed to protect against and/or spread them.

I've no doubt vaccinations aren't fool-proof, I wouldn't be surprised if they were detrimental to some children. I wouldn't be surprised if - in years to come - there are confirmed links to cancer. By the same token, I also think that household chemicals, cosmetic sprays, preserved foods etc could also be equally as detriminental for some. I guess my point is that "nothing" - or "everything" - in our world today seems to carry some health risk. Hope that makes sense. But hey, if one of my kids (or a friend's child) had had a bad reaction to a vac, I'd most likely think very differently.

And can I reiterate - this is my opinion only. It's not meant as a reason why anyone else should vac. I'm just answering the OP's question.

Mumof2boys - good luck. You're decision won't be an easy one. Maybe the best way to tackle it is to think about what will keep you awake at night less, iykwim?

ETA: Sheesh, re-reading this I sound defensive. Sorry, not my intention ... I guess I'm anticipating this could turn into a pro and anti vac debate, and not one I want to kick start :)

I vacced because i have seen same of the diseases in action and i do not want my children to have to go through that. I am aware of the small chance of adverse effects and this is a risk i am prepared to take.

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Do they even let you into Kinder now if there Vac's arnt up to date? I know DD's needed to be for day care.

No mummamia they dont

With DS we just followed the schedule. But I've thought more about it since. We also skipped the HepB at birth, and the rotavirus, but I've gotten the others and will continue more or less on schedule now. The reason is that DS is in daycare and so there's a greater risk to DD from him bringing something home. I also have some concerns about vax to be honest, but this is the best compromise I can make for us, as I am also concerned about DD catchign some of these diseases. (I also got my whooping cough vax done, btw).
If neither child was going to daycare/kindy then I'd probably delay.
It's just another parenting decision - you have to weigh up everything and decide what's best for your kids.

My girls have had their vaccines but not to schedule after 12 month ones. Even if you have the vaccine remember they can still get the virus, just not as bad. My DD1 got chicken pox at 2 1/2 at daycare (after having the vaccine at 19 months) and gave it to DD2 who was only 6 months old.

I struggled with this decision too for my twins, after DS1 reacted badly to the routine vaccinations as per the schedule. In the end I waited until they (particularly boytwin who was frequently very ill as an infant) were healthy enough to tolerate the jabs, but didn't leave it so long that they would not be covered by the time they went to daycare. I started with the vaccinations that I was more concerned about not getting (specifically whooping cough and the MMR) and have not done any more so far. But I will get them all done, and before they start school, because they have tollerated the ones they have had so far.

It's not an easy decision, and I don't envy you it. I felt sick when they got their first jab, but they were absolutely fine which made the 2nd jab (months and months after the first) much easier.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is no Mercury in vax in Australia??? Or not in the ones given to kids? ETA I put up a link....
We vaxed DS1 on schedule but have delayed with DS2 he is 18mths soon and still has not had his 12mth ones.....He will get them just not yet and probably not all at once.

You can read about mercury or ThiomersalHere.

In the end hun its up to you and educating yourself is the best thing...although I find it hard to find articles and research that inst totally for one or the other. :hug: xxx

As far as I was aware they have removed the mercury and thermosil out of vaccines for infants and children (in 2000 I think) but there is still a small amount in some adult vaccines.
I vaxxed my fulltermers and late prems to schedule but my very early prems I have delayed vaxxed till at least corrected age or later.

ETA - Sorry to repeat Boomba I didn't see your post :D

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Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe there is no Mercury in vax in Australia??? Or not in the ones given to kids? ETA I put up a link....

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You beat me to it. Everything I have been able to find says that there is no longer any thimerosal in any kids vaccines - and hasn't been since... well a long time ago.

I agree, the vaccination decision is a scary one, and not one that most parents take lightly. I am relieved that DS is fully vaccinated so that when this bub comes soon there is far less chance of him bringing something home.

You have to do what you are comfortable with and unfortunately for every person that gives you a convincing argument one way there'll be another one the other way. Good luck with your decision.

I know you said you aren't worried about the autism thing, only about the mercury. Well, the mercury is what causes autism. There is a great book called 'Evidence of Harm' by DAvid Kirby which is about a group of american mothers whose children became autistic. They researched the matter themselves instead of relying on information that came from Doctors and scientists etc. who are paid by vaccine companies. Which if you look closely enough is the case with every article, medical journal etc. that supports vaccines.

The mothers research led them to an article on mercury poisoning and the description of symptoms which affected 'hatters'. (Hatters [back in the day] used to use mercury to keep hats flat. Thus the term 'mad as a hatter' came about). The symptoms of mercury poisoning were alarmingly similar to the symptoms of autism, in fact identical. Austism is mercury poisoning.
Some of these mothers tried a process called 'chelation' to help expel the mercury from their son's bodies, which I believe worked.

Mercury aside - the vaccines themselves, even WITHOUT mercury, are absolutely useless. Each vaccine consists of either a live or dead virus of the diease you are being vaccinated against. This doesn't help you avoid the disease, it occasionally even GIVES you the disease. There are also other adjuvants such as aluminum (another neurotoxin which is linked with Alzheimers) and formaldehyde (which is embalming fluid!) in the vaccine. So with these heavy metals, neurotoxins, live or dead viruses, plus monkey brain, kidney or balls, you can be assured that it does NOTHING BUT ABUSE your baby's natural immune system. By injecting this stuff into the bloodstream we completely bypass the bodies first line of defense - the skin! We are taught to believe that we are powerless against disease - but that is simply what the drug companies (PS - who make BILLIONS of dollars from vaccines) want you to believe so that you will become dependent on THEM to be safe. We are more powerful than we have been led to believe.

Our bodies are actually quite resilient when not pumped full of poisons. If I were you, I would go and find a family of unvaccinated children and ask their parents about their health. I have not vaccinated my son (who is 6 months now) and he has not been sick ONCE. Where are the 'colds' and 'ear infections' he was supposed to get?? Hmmm - maybe its because his poor little immune system wasn't completely attacked by toxic substances and was allowed to flourish and grow stronger with breast milk, fruit and veg.
And yes - basic good health, believe it or not, is all it takes to be able to fight disease efficiently. THe pharmaceutical companies however, would have us believe otherwise. Its good for us to be scared and feel weak - that way all our money goes to them! HOORAH!

There are also (and quite suspiciously) NO studies done comparing vaccinated with unvaccinated children. (!!!) WHY? The establishment's response - 'we find it unethical NOT to give the other group the vaccine. What the??? Suspicious much? LEt me think.....maybe because the results will undoubtedly show that unvaccinated children are superior in health, cognitive function and general well-being. This would indeed be bad for Pharmeceutical revenue. The Head of Pharmeceuticals would say - 'People cannot find out that they don't actually need this! We will be bankrupt within the month! Quick, quick - pay off some more people to write good things about vaccines. Oh and remember to trash the doctors and scientists who speak out against us. RUIN THEM! Quick dammit!'

Just a little humor to get my point across - hope it worked :)

I hope this information has been helpful in helping you decide what to do about vaccinating. I respect the right to choose.

With love - Katherine

I've just seen this bumped by the above post.... mo2b - what did you decide to do? (Note: I still haven't made a decision)

hope the choice has become a little easier for you xoxox being an RN and working with kids that have had autism and seeing children die from whooping cough and other child hood preventable diseases and even adults who are on deaths door because of chicken pox I would have to say I would rather have a lifetime with my son having autism then a few weeks of him suffering with an illness. (that is if the studies are true) If the autism thing is all your worried about I would have a long think. This is just my opinion and is most possibly swayed due to what I have seen in my profession. I've given children experimental and very strong medicines for preventative measures never knowing what the side effects will be but always with the intent to cure or to help, it is the risk parents choose and it is the same as vaccines. Whatever you decide you will find support on this website.

My DD has had every vax so far, i always ask what she is getting and the side affects, what to look out for and how important they are to her. Her 12 month needles were great the doctor who did them told me EXACTLY what he was doing, where they were going why they go there what the vax helps prevent and he said in his 20yrs of being a doctor since these vax came out he had not encountered one of these horrible diseases, he has also said he has not had any child have any bad reactions either so that put my mind at ease. He was very sympathetic to DD when she cried when she got her bum jabbed by telling her he was sorry but one day would thank him :p