I am giving up on breastfeeding, I need a listening ear to close the episode.

Hi everyone,

My baby is almost 8 weeks old and I have been struggling with breastfeeding since my baby was born. I had gestational diabetes with this pregnancy and baby had low blood sugars, so he was admitted into special care nursery where he had to be given formula to stablize his sugars on day 1.

On the third day after birth, my milk came in but I dont think I experienced engorgement. I felt a surge in my breasts and they were sore. I had been diligently using a double pump to quicken the milk coming in as I was separated from my baby. He was whisked off within hours after his birth. I requested the midwives to feed him using a cup/spoon on the first day, they said they would try. They still gave him a bottle instead, he didnt take it very well so he was fed via a tube. Eventually I gave in to midwife's pressure to give him formula via bottle. I felt really guilty and gave in as she said my baby's sucking reflex wasnt good. I felt that I was doing a disfavor to my baby by not letting him suck on the bottle to improve his sucking.

When we came home DH bought a tin of formula. I did not disagree as I was also scared about my baby not having enough. However I continued to try to latch him on and use the pump diligently. I had sore nipples but they never bled like when I had my first child.

True enough, I never had enough to give my baby. The maximum I could pump out was 40ml. I have tried latching him on in hospital and back home. Till now I do not understand why it did not work. I have tried expressing 8 times a day. I have tried herbs and motillium. I am so educated this time I prepared myself in every way I could even before my baby was born. I have asked every single question I have needed to ask. I got a good double pump, nipple shields, bfg pillow, bfg cover, nursing wear etc. I so wanted this to work badly this round. I feel like a total failure. I feel like I have failed my two children for not been able to give them breast milk.

Yesterday I met this mum who came and said hello to me and my baby at the shopping centre. When we spoke about bfg, she told me, 'Oh I've got so much milk'. The way she was saying sounded really like bragging. TBH, I was happy for her but I felt kicked in my guts. I felt that this was the least I needed. I came back feeling worse than ever. I struggled very much with my first bfg experience due to ignorance. So, I really hope this round would work and was excited about breastfeeding again, but I am totally, thoroughly disappointed this round even after educating and preparing myself for it.

I have struggled for the past few weeks, deciding to quit and continuing. My heart is in two places. My heart doesnt want to quit but my body seems to have lost the battle. My baby doesnt work hard at my breasts at all as he is so used to the quick flow of the bottle. He used me only as a dummy. It is not his fault. I am caught in a losing battle. So, I think finally today, I have decided to let go. It is hard to let go but I know I need to make a decision not to torture myself anymore.

I hope to vent it out here and feel better because nobody knows how I am feeling deep down. I need to have a closure to this episode and move on.

I finally had my cup of coffee today as I have been withholding myself from one due to breastfeeding.

Thank you for reading and listening to my pain.

No advice, just hugs. I know how you feel. Your son sounds like my dd. she would never latch. We eventually put her on formula at six weeks. My son was a feeding champion the first week, then ended up in hospital on a feeding tube due to a heart condition. I pumped the whole time he was in hospital but he came home on a feeding tube and trying to get him to feed coupled with the time I spent pumping meant my dd was getting no attention so he went on formula at four months.

Also, I had plenty of milk. The nurses said I had enough to feed half the ward! So no matter how good the supply. Sometimes it doesn't work out. I feel for you honey, I understand the guilt, the feelings of failure and the depression. Try to be kind to yourself. X

:hug: I also couldn't BF so I completely understand how you're feeling.

Oh sweetheart big hugs to you

I too know exactly how you feel.

I cried for days when I finally stopped trying as well (about 3 weeks, but realistically I know that my milk never came in - sounds just like you)

I cried for weeks after not being able to feed DD.
But, she has done well on formula and it's so nice having DH and others be able to help out.

xox

:hug: I hope you enjoyed that coffee. You've certainly earnt it. I could never give up coffee :o
Have you tried calling the ABA help line and talking to a counselor? They can help you to give it one last try before you give up forever and if you're just not up for one last try they can give you the right advice to make sure that the transition off the breast is smooth and you don't end up with dreadful engorgement.
I hope you don't mind me saying, that reading your story, it seems that you have done everything you can but you have been let down by lack of support.

National Breastfeeding Helpline 1800 mum 2 mum (1800 686 268)

au0, you've had a really rough start with your baby and you've worked so very hard to feed him. I'm sorry things haven't worked out for you this time - I can see this was important to you from all the preparation you've done and work you've put into it. You have breastfed - maybe not as much or as long you you intended - but I hope you can feel good about what you have done. Every drop is important and worthwhile. Sometimes, despite our best efforts, circumstances around us mean we can't achieve what we set out to.
If you want to give the ABA helpline a call, or even drop in to a local group meeting, one of the breastfeeding counsellors will be able to talk you through your experiences and help you with the debriefing and grieving process. Some mums find that helpful.
From a practical perspective, I will echo Onyx's suggestion to stop slowly, to reduce the likelihood of painful blockages.

One of the mummas here on BB has a line in their signature that says something like "a bottle feeding mother is no less a mother than a tree with one less leaf - a mother's love goes much farther" and it's so very true.

And even mummas who have had oodles of milk can feel dreadfully guilty when that milk slows down, and stops... or guilty and rejected, when their baby starts weaning and just not wanting the boob any more.

But nutrition is simply one facet of what we provide our children, and you've done what you were able - and you've persisted when many would have given up.

We each do what we can with what we have and what we know, and we do it while we can.

Then we have to let go and move on to whatever comes next.

Your grief and sadness is understandable and valid. Let yourself be sad - but also let yourself be proud for what you have done, and then allow yourself to move on, to all the other things that you will do for this child.

And damn well enjoy that coffee.

I feel for you hun, I BF my daughter who had severe reflux, and in the end I had PND and was crying before and during every feed as she wouldn't stay on as had pain association with me, I was devastated to stop, but in the end she was losing weight and for both of us, stopping was the best thing to do. I had seen, lactation consultants,rung the ABA numerous times, seen midwives, mchn and doctors and still could not get her breastfeeding successfully. I cried and I even saw a counsellor about it because I was so upset. In the end you have to do what is best for you and your baby. Your baby has received the best start from you by getting your milk for this long. You have done a great job, please don't be hard on yourself.

oh, I really feel for you, after so much effort and still bubs won't breastfeed well.

I remember my firstborn who was a big baby. I'd had a pph after a c/section and the milk took til day 10 to come in. I hardly had any milk, tried everything, even a special teat which restricts the bottle flow etc and still he didn't want to stay on the boob. I combo fed and expressed and was totally wrung out. I think I stopped at 15 weeks and cried and cried. Most of my mum's gp all seemed to breastfeed well, some having loads of milk. I also hardly got anything from expressing. I felt that since I'd had a c/s that I hadn't really birthed my child and then to not be able to b.f, I felt like I'd failed as a mum. Just like birth, no experience is ever the same and it seems like that for b/feeding.

It's such an emotional and personal experience, yet you feel like you have to justify and explain to strangers, the lengths you've gone to, to b.f, when you're out with a bottle. I thought that I'd failed as a mum, until I had DS2 and he seemed to feed much better, attached well etc. I still never had loads of milk, but it made me realise that it wasn't necessarily me, it was my first baby with reflux who really struggled to get the hang of it. My experience with DS2 helped me to reconcile my efforts with DS1. But not before i cried long and hard with DS1. It's just not fair! Take time to grieve your loss and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You've put in a massive effort on all levels to make it work and you have not failed your baby. You sound like a great mum and bubs is lucky to have such a caring and loving mummy like you.

Hey there au0,

It sounds like you've had a really rough trot with both of your breastfeeding experiences - I'm so sorry to read that. Many mums find their expectations of breastfeeding are vastly different to the reality of it - we forget that breastfeeding is a learned skill, for both you and baby and quickly realise that for many mums, it doesn't just come naturally and sometimes things go wrong. Some things we can fix, some things we can't. But I do want to echo MadB - every little drop of breastmilk you have given your baby has been wonderful and you definitely have breastfed.

I hope you don't mind if I just mention a few more things... If you're sure that you you're ready to move one, please disregard the comments below :)

Please do contact the Australian Breastfeeding Association if you're willing to give it one last try - you mention that you couldn't get baby back onto the breast, have you heard of baby-led attachment? Babies are born with an instinct to find the breast and this instinct remains, quite strongly, until 12 weeks. I have seen it help babies up to 12 weeks of age get back to the breast, by allowing them to follow their instincts. I can give you more information on that if you are interested.

Also, you wrote that you were only able to express 40mL of milk - this is not an indication of your milk supply. Babies are far more efficient at extracting milk from the breast than breast pumps are. There are other ways to check your breast milk supply.

Whatever you decide, as peanutter so eloquently says, your feelings are valid and understandable - many mums find they experience grief at the end of the breastfeeding relationship, whether it has lasted 2 days or 2 years. Please be gentle with yourself as you move through this period, but do take it slowly, if you can, to prevent your breasts from becoming engorged.

All the best :hug:

I've been through that, "should I, shouldn't I give up" twice and it's absolutely horrendous and I know what you mean about torturing yourself - it was all I could think about for weeks. You really have had a rough trot and you really have put in a tremendous effort. Sometimes we have to remember what effort we've put in, not whether it 'worked' or not.

I was really afraid to call the ABA re DD1, partly because it was a complete saga and partly because I thought she would 'tell me off' for wanting to give up but the woman I spoke to was really nice and she gave me great advice. Basically, she said that the most important thing was the bond between me and my baby. If trying to breastfeed was interfering with that bond, then I should not feel guilty about 'giving up'. In DD1's case it WAS interfering. Expressing was taking away cuddle time and really, I just wanted to sit and hold her for hours at a time without thinking I should be expressing.

So I'd give them a call. I'm also going to share a little of my story incase some of it might also apply to you. I have very large nipples. I have babies with small mouths. I didn't know I had large nipples or that it could be a problem until I googled after having DD2. With both my babies, I couldn't really attach until around the 7-9 week mark. Attaching in the first few weeks was just impossible. No-one mentioned that as a possible reason, they just said 'keep trying' which is just not realistic if you are trying to attach 8 times per day for three weeks and it's not working.

I understand that you think your supply is a problem. As someone else said - maybe it is, maybe it's not. One option could be a supply line. I used one with DD2. I had given up breastfeeding at the three week mark (couldn't attach), so my milk dried up (completely). Tried again at nine weeks really out of curiosity - easy but I had no milk. So relactated but couldn't anywhere near a full supply.

So I used a supply line. You fill a bottle with expressed milk or formula and hang it around your neck and out of the bottle come two tiny tubes that you stick to your nipples. The baby sucks on your nipple and gets milk from the tubes/bottle and from your boob simultaneously. You have peace of mind of knowing and seeing how much they are drinking from the bottle and they have to suck to get it. So, in turn, they are learning to suck from your boob and that increases your supply without having to express. Even though I knew that she was getting much more formula than breastmilk, I really enjoyed the fact that she was feeding at my breast, albeit with tubes.

It's completely understandable if you don't want to try anything else - I've just thrown it in there incase it helps. It's awful to find things out down the track that you wished you'd known at the time. But as I said before, THE most important thing is the bond between you and your baby.

The ladies above have said it all for me.
You have had a hard time of it but be proud of effort you have put in! :hug:

Be proud of yourself, you are an amazing mum! It's a hard decision, and only you can choose. Take pride in knowing you gave your baby the absolute best start you could!

Unfortunately some people have more trouble than others, whether it be because of hormones or health conditions or something else.

Thanks everyone for reading, listening and comforting me.

My baby is very good, he does latch well, he does drink from my breasts, but he stops once the flow goes slow and it is only normal for him to do that. Like I mentioned, it isnt his fault. I have tried the SNS since coming back from the hospital, but the stimulation sucks are quite different. With drawing milk out of my breasts, my baby uses very strong sucks, but with the SNS, even with the finest tubing and lowering the bottle, it is rather easy for him to draw out milk even without strong sucks. Also, he doesnt work hard even with the SNS, he is quite a sleepy bub. With the bottle, he isnt all that diligent too and never finishes his bottle of milk. So it is a losing battle that I am fighting.

Many of you echoed my feelings and thoughts and your posts helped me to feel better, that there are mums out here who understand. I have a few regrets, I wish I could turn back the clock and have brought him out of the nursery and put him to my breasts when my milk came in, rather than depending on the pump, and syringing the little milk i had to feed him. I wish I had brought the SNS to hospital when he was born and used that instead of using the bottle. But that's all too late now to cry over split milk. I am not having anymore babies, so I guess there is no more chance to breastfeed.

Thanks again.

Breast compressions can help encourage a sleepy baby to keep feeding at the breast. Swapping sides is another trick to keep baby interested.

This blog gives some tips on breastfeeding a sleepy baby http://www.koraorganics.com/blog/liv...super-sleeper/

I don't believe it is a losing battle yet, and there are still things to try if you want to explore all your options.

Take care, whatever you decide.