Teething or reflux???

How do you tell the difference betwwen teething and reflux? I thought DS was teething, but now I think it might be reflux.
How do you know, with out taking him to the Dr again and having him tell me it's just wind again?

OK, now that he's quiet again, I can give you a clarification of what he's doing.
- grizzling
-constanly chewing
-constantly gagging himself with fingers
- arches his back in pain, lifting himself of the surface
- cries after feed
- pulls off and on constantly during feed
- doesnt like laying down after feed (most times, not always)
what does this sound like?

Id say it could be both!!! Like not either, but both together.
Id take him to the docs and get a referal for a Paed so that he can be checked out for reflux. To my knowledge GP's are unable to correctly diagnose reflux in a baby. If your GP doesnt give you a referral, go to another, until you do get one.
Til then you could try tilting his cot mattress so his head is a tiny bit higher than his tummy, and after a feed hold him upright for about 20 mins if possible.

HEY
how old is your bub ?
generally reflux will present by 12 weeks, and its very rarely teething before 4 months.
The pulling on and off during a feed and the other feeding behaviours you are seeing sound very much like reflux to me. The hands in the mouth stuff is normal for most babies even if they are not teething. You could try a little bongela or alike 10mins before a feed to see if that helps. Or 2 ml of mylanta 10 mins before a feed if you think its reflux. There are heaps of good sites about the non med stuff like positioning for reflux bubs. But if you believe it to be reflux i would go to your pead ASAP, the longer you leave it the more damage is done and the more negative feeding patterns will develop.
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Lisy-

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COMMON CHARACTERISTICS OF REFLUX
VOMITING
Merely regurgitate, ruminate, or posset down their chins and clothing; or
Projectile vomit with food literally being forced out, sometimes through their nostrils. Vomit can take the form of;
Unchanged milk or undigested food
Curdled milk or partly digested food
Gastric contents
The number and amount of vomits vary. ?Reflux? infants may vomit without discretion- anytime, anywhere, over anybody or anything!
Reflux (and vomiting) may lessen when the infant sits up and in some cases worsen when they crawl. Some infants may stop vomiting when they become upright but may still reflux stomach contents into their oesophagus many times a day. This may cause as much or more discomfort to the infant as vomiting. The child may still be symptomatic but the signs may have changed. If you are concerned about this possibility, please discuss your concerns with your Doctor.
Doctors may consider a milk protein sensitivity in a child who vomits
SILENT REFLUX
Not all infants suffering from reflux actually vomit; some may have what is termed ?silent? reflux- where the stomach contents only come part way up the oesophagus. Any form of reflux may disturb the baby and cause problems.
Since the signs of silent reflux are not always obvious, it can be difficult for doctors to confirm the condition, and for a diagnosis to be made.
Silent reflux can be more damaging because it can sit in the oesophagus longer.
Some babies with silent reflux will feed as a means of soothing their pain, so they may not have issues with their weight like other reflux babies do. This can further delay diagnosis and treatment as the problem is sometimes overlooked
Medical intervention is often necessary and the same complications can arise as in other forms of reflux.
Your baby may suddenly start crying while feeding, or after the feed, without any other obvious cause for the crying, or they may grimace, or make a screwed up face like they are tasting something bad. They may be.
You may notice any of the other signs of reflux apart from the obvious one; vomiting. Sometimes you may hear the baby reflux, or see them swallow repeatedly, and see no evidence of it.
PAIN AND IRRITABILITY
Irritability, screaming, whinging, crying, fussiness and inconsolable behaviour.
These signs can occur at any time of the day or night, and commonly occur during and after feeding and when baby is laid down.
These infants are often described as ?colicky? or ?windy? because of their irritability and failure to settle after feeds.
Some infants display clinginess, extreme sensitivity, and other behaviours as a result of pain. Many appear to be overly sensitive to noise, which may be because they are not getting enough sleep, or are simply ?on edge?.
These children can be happy sometimes when they are distracted e.g. they smile at the doctors, when visiting grandma or at the shopping centre.
Some children shove their hand/fist/fingers down their throat, and may even gag themselves because of pain/oesophagitis.
Parents may have a ?gut feeling? that their child is in pain.
FEEDING ISSUES
Distress during feeding
Fussing at breast/bottle- may fight/pull off after a short time
Back arching, squirming, pushing breast/bottle away and general distress during feeding (some are happy between feeds).
Screaming and refusal to feed (or only taking a small amount) despite being hungry
Crying during or after feeds, but may be happy between feeds
Taking relatively small amounts of food
Nervous, excitable, easily over-stimulated. Even talking may interrupt these infants; a darkened room, a routine of soft music or absolute quiet is necessary for some to feed.
Displaying a fear of food, or an unwillingness to eat.
Gagging / spluttering, or having problems swallowing
Some babies? comfort feed. Their behaviour includes: -
Feeding frequently
Unhappy unless feeding, or showing signs of wanting to be fed frequently
Sucking vigorously
Huge weight gains
Some may even have a large number of wet nappies in a day
Reflux occurs in both breast and bottle-fed babies.
Changing from breast to formula feeding will usually not solve the problem, though bottle-feeding may alleviate some stress on the mother, and may make positioning easier. Remember it is the fact of putting something in the stomach- it may not matter whether it?s breast or bottle.
Changing from one brand of formula to another usually won?t help, although using thickened formula can sometimes help to decrease the amount of vomiting (and a hypoallergenic one may help if food sensitivities are an issue).
Some babies can be inconsistent with weight gain. Most infants gain weight well, however a small percentage fail to thrive due to feeding difficulties (or excess vomiting).
SLEEPING ISSUES
Some reflux infants are more comfortable in an upright position and they generally object to being laid down.
There is a high incidence of sleep disturbance among these infants. Many are very alert babies because they sleep so little.
Most are frequent night wakers, however it is not uncommon for some reflux babies to sleep through the night
Some babies are great ?cat-nappers?. They will often only sleep for five minutes before waking again in a distressed state.
Some are easily disturbed from sleep.
OTHER CHARACTERISTICS
Reflux may be hereditary and is quite common in premature babies.
It may worsen if the child becomes ill (eg with a cold or infection), has allergies, is teething, has immunizations, is overtired, out of routine, or if the weather changes dramatically. It may even worsen when the baby is crawling.
Many babies, especially very sleepy ones, do not show any pain or discomfort for up to three months of age.
Signs and symptoms in relation to severity are quite variable.
The infant can also go through quite ?normal? phases where the problem appears to be improving and then re-occurs quite suddenly for no apparent reason. This occurs because reflux can be cyclic.
Occasionally infants can be seen to hold their head to one side in an unusual position to ease their discomfort (called Sandifer?s Syndrome)
In most children, reflux signs generally disappear before they turn 2 yrs, but they do occasionally continue or recur. They may sometimes recur when the child loses their baby teeth, or cuts their adult ones.
The amount of pain does not necessarily correlate to the amount of inflammation or damage seen with testing. Some children can have severe pain, and show no inflammation, while others can have no pain and show signs of severe inflammation.

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Hope some of this info helps

OMG Jess! Big post, but thanks! Alot of that read like some one was living here with him! Luckily we have an appt with the Paed on the 2nd, so we will get it checked out.
Big thatnks.
Hope things are improving with your wee ones. Keep in touch.
Lisa

Yeah didnt realise how big it was but when i tried to shorten it i didnt want to cut much out... Likily i didnt type it just cut and pasted... hahaha...

Things are good here... Hope things o well at the peads...

Out of pure despiration, I took him down the hospital, as we couldn't get to see a Dr till Monday. THEY COULDN"T FIND ANYTHING WRONG!!!!! I'm at my wits end! I just can't cope anymore. The info that Jess posted was spot on, but they just can't find any thing. He isn't feeding, and he's screaming and crying all the time. Help!:help::crying::crying::crying:

LL-

I had same issues with my DS... No one could find anything wrong even though he was always spewing... I went and saw a pead. Who requested a barrium meal (spl) test... They give a special liquid with his bottle and then do like an xray to see if the stomach contents is being pushed back up cusing the acid burn. It turned out this was happening with my son even if he didnt spew.

I would suggest the elavation of his bed, keep him upright as much as possible like in a rocker or high chair. My DS and DD were prescribes Zantac for helping the acid burn but i have just switched to the all natural Brauers Stomach calm... Its done wonders for my daughter... You can get it from the chemist. I give DD the 1 ml dose 15 mins before a feed and it has stopped so much of her pain and crying. it could also be wind pain (colic) Colic and silent reflux can have similar symptoms... Brauers also make a colic relief... (if you purchase the brauers essential pack you get bpth plus a teething relief also..$16.95) Do his lips have a bluish coulour around them??? If so it could be wind. Try moving his legs like he's riding a bike, tummy massage, some cool boiled water (10-20 mls if he'll drink it) If hes breast fed i have been told that if you take the inner health plus it passes through to them helping their digestion. also camomile tea is also good.

I know how u feel knowing the symptoms this time i demanded some thing for her pain. Let me know how u go... :hug: