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Hi girls,
Eliza has been really sooky the last few nights, I think she is getting more teeth. I have been giving her alittle panadol (1ml) just at nights and she sleeps soundly. This is the 3rd night I have done this, I'm just getting alittle worried that I am making her drowsy and fixing something that isnt there. Is it safe to give them panadol for a few days solid before these teeth actually pop throu
Thanks what would I do without you girls
Bec
Maybe try some Brauer Calm or/& Teething Relief (brauer has a site) instead of panadol, I am funny about giving bubbas paracetamol etc on a regular basis because I'd be worried about it not working later on iykwim?
I'd also be concerned because I know its not recommended.
I hope that doesn't sound bad 8-[
*hugs*
Cailin
I know long term panadol use, or using it when not necessary is not meant to be good for the liver.
Maybe steer clear of the panadol unless she actually has a raised temp or is screaming/crying in pain? And if it gets to that stage maybe you can alternate panadol and baby nurofen on different nights so she is not getting too much of the one medication.
I would suggest to actually ask your Dr/GP about this re the panadol consumption?
Goodluck Bec... and definately give the Brauers a try... or maybe Bonjela as well if you think she needs it...
I think Bonjela has aspirin in it... I think? So you aren't much better doing that.
I dont think 3 doses of panadol over 3 nights is going to harm her. After all, we take 4-6 doses in a day!!!
The naturopath teething stuff might be a goer Bec. We have some at our place - the weleda one, and it makes Jenna spew (what a surprise....) do you want to go to our house and get it? There will be someone there tonight.
Save you $15 or so ;)
I wouldn't worry about it Bec. It would be different if you had been giving the panadol to her every 4 hours for 3 days. Probably best not to give it to her tonight.
Gabby has been teething badly too. She had panadol Saturday night and Sunday night... nothing on Monday night but had some again last night because she was in agony (pulling her ears, rubbing her gums, crying alllll fricken day!). I also give her some bonjela on her dummy. Apparently it has a sedative so I only use it at night time IF she's really grizzly and not getting to sleep.
Thanks girls,
I was starting to think that people saw me as a serial drugger.
Eliza has spewed on bonjella she seems to suck it all in to her tum and bang and MCHN said the same about the asprin. I'll just see how she goes with out it..I mean 3mls over 3 days wouldnt effect her wellbeing seens the dosage for 4 hrs on her weight is 1.5 so effectively she only has had 2 days worth IYKWIM.
Fi is the person at your house tall dark and handsome..lol might pop in and drink a bottle from the collection pmsl
Bec
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I second what Deb has said..... I did the same as you some weeks ago. Hunter went through a grizzly few days & I gave him 1m before bed only for three days running.
It did calm him but on the fourth night I gave him just the teething ring & bonjella. I know my doses were under his alowance (he is allowed 1.5m but I always gave 1m) but still I was cautious.... this is the best way to be.
Just by posting this you show you know the boundries & you havent crossed them so dont give it a second thought.
Yeah I thought the same thing about bonjela too ie. it didn't contain aspirin... I wonder why its such a common myth? I can't believe a MCHN would say that, then again I know not to believe everything they say :rolleyes:
Shannon I can see why this is something you feel so strongly about especially after everything you've been through. My reasons are similar in that we had friends whose child would scream bloody murder until he saw the panadol bottle and then open his mouth waiting for it!
Bec I know you are trying to do the best by Eliza so please don't think for one second any of us who are trying to offer alternatives think you are a serial drugger LOL! I guess it just worries some and not others, like all things! We all want the best for our little bubbas especially when they are in discomfort or pain ;)
*hugs*
Cailin
Bec- I worked as Registered Nurse in children's ward for over 12yrs and panadol does not sedate a child at all - it is probably giving her pain relief as it is meant to do. Check with pharmacist or DR or MHCN to be sure.
Often we gave children/babies panadol every 4 -6 hrs ( only 4 doses a day) for a few days consecutively - so a small dose once a day for a few days would be fine.
A low dose doesn't built it in a healthy liver and is metabolised by the liver in few hours. That's why you can give it 4 -6 hrly ( but only 4 does in 24hrs). One website I saw said
If your child had a liver problem it is a different story. It has been used for a long time and there are so many studies on it. It is safe in pregnancy too at recommended doses and doesn't affect babies in womb.:
Because of their effectiveness and lack of side-effects paracetamol products are frequently prescribed in hospitals and are the treatment of choice for relieving mild to moderate pain in specialist liver units.
Phenergan does sedate and I wouldn't recommend it.
From Aust Gov Health website
Mostly, the 48hrs guideline that states you need Dr's advice to continue is related to this ....:
1. Paracetamol has been used in Australia for the relief of pain and fever since the 1950s. It is available in many different forms for adults and children. Common brand names include Panadol, Herron Paracetamol, Panamax, Chemists' Own and Dymadon. Most pharmacy chains and supermarkets also have their own 'house brands'.
2. Paracetamol is safe and effective when taken as directed on the label. However, if taken either in overdose or in amounts that exceed the recommended dose for more than a few days, the unwanted effects can be severe.
3. Paracetamol is generally the medicine of choice for people with chronic pain such as painful osteoarthritis. However, paracetamol should only be used for a long period of time under a doctor's supervision.
4. Many other medicines also contain paracetamol including medicines for coughs and colds, sinus congestion and period pain. The presence of paracetamol is always declared on the label. Be careful not to take more than one medicine containing paracetamol.
5. Liquid paracetamol products for children come in different strengths and product forms such as baby drops and suspensions that are intended for infants and children of different ages and weights. Always read the label before measuring the dose. Be careful not to mix up the strengths as these are only suitable for certain age groups. Always use a metric medicine measure - don't guess the dose.
6. Don't give paracetamol to infants, children or adolescents for more than 48 hours unless advised by a doctor. [see below why ]
7. If an overdose or paracetamol is taken, people should contact the Poisons Information Centre (Phone 131 126) or go to a hospital accident and emergency centre as soon as possible, even if the person who has taken the overdose does not feel ill. The harmful effects of large amounts of paracetamol on the liver are usually delayed so people may feel well for the first day after a paracetamol overdose but can become very sick after that. If treatment is given early enough, there are usually no permanent ill-effects.
8. Tips for safe use of paracetamol for all ages:
Always follow the directions on the label;
Take the recommended dose;
Don't take paracetamol for more than a few days at a time unless specifically advised to by a doctor or pharmacist;
Don't take more than one medicine containing paracetamol - some cough / cold, sinus and period pain medicines also contain paracetamol - check the label or ask your pharmacist;
Always store the medicine in a safe place, out of the reach of children;
If an overdose is taken, ring the Poisons Information Centre (131 126) or go to a hospital straight away;
If pain persists, see your doctor.
9. Tips for safe use of paracetamol in infants and children
Make sure you use the right product and strength for the child's age and weight;
Make sure you use the right dose for the child's age and weight;
Check the dose on the label every time you use the medicine;
Don't keep giving paracetamol for more than 48 hours unless specifically advised to by a doctor;
Always use a metric medicine measure to measure the dose;
Always make sure the bottle cap is secured after use.
10. For more information ask your pharmacist or doctor.
The TGA has published a comprehensive report - Review of Non-prescription Analgesics, which includes paracetamol. This report is available on the TGA's (therapuetic goods administration website at the w's health.gov.au
from TGA Dr's fact sheet.:
Children and adolescents with fever or who are dehydrated or fasting may be at risk of paracetamol toxicity in doses close to the therapeutic dose, particularly where paracetamol is given for more than 48 hours
and also the fact that 'pain' that continues chould be assessed - but teething pain is quite a different thing altogether.
Bec I alternate sometimes when we have a really bad teething time & Matilda points to her teeth & cries. I uses the Brauers homeopathic drops for one night & the next night I might use bonjela and the next I use the homeopathic teething tablets, and like Cailin said I only use panadol when the teeth are actually cutting through because that is really the most painful part.
I also have made up yogurt/banana/orange juice ice blocks which I give her regularly throughout the day before meals to help numb her gums.
HTH!
Panadol is fine. Just make sure that you get the ose right.
Christy
I love the sound of them ice blocks ... What a good idea
I wish I could give Milo ice blocks Christy, they sound great but not for a 3.5 month old *lol*
Indah hates the little Bonjela I put on her gums & she has vomited too. I Do as you have said Shannon a tiny smidge on my finger & rubbed it into her top gums, but she starts to gag on the taste or smell? Then vomits...
I have put teething rings in her cot & I have been giving her a dose of Panadol/Brauers if she wakes in the night crying, she is crying/screaming with her eyes shut but fists in mouth, so not even actually awake...
She wont take a dummy at all, so I give her a dose of Panadol/Brauers & a small feed to resettle her & then she goes back to sleep...
I alternate between the 2, but only if she wakes from the pain (or in her case isnt actually awake, just screaming with hands in mouth!)...
She may only wake twice a week..
I wish she also could have those frozen things to Christy, but it's only in middle of night it bothers her so I guess it wouldnt work...?
Thanks Shannon, I will check it out!!!!