Dissapointed by negative information offered on Induction

Hi Everyone,

Well as some of you know, I am booked in for a induction tomorrow evening. This decision was made by both myself/ husband and my Obstetrician (of who I have complete faith).

I will be induced with gel at this stage.

Well as you can imagine I am a little nervous, so I went to the Belly Belly information pages on Induction - and what did I find? a whole lot of negativity, which I must admit has made me feel worse than what I did to begin. From the very first paragraph there is a subtle hint that anyone who has inductions are doing it for the wrong reasons. I read through the whole page and got down to the "Side Effects" , then to the part where there are horror stories of women who have had inductions and suffered tremendous pain, problems and every other thing that could have possibly gone wrong.

Maybe a suggestion would be to add a few stories from women who have had a positive experience from inducement. Just for those of us who ARE NOT doing it for social reasons and anyother reason that is deemed innappropriate by members of this forum.

I love the BB forums and am upset that the information seems to be so bias at times.

Well.... wish me luck for tomorrow night!




https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth/...-or-not-induce

Hi Beck!

I was induced at 9 days overdue with DS, and he was born about 16 hours after the gel was inserted.
While it was not something I'd have chosen if I knew I had a choice, it was nonetheless a very positive experience, for the most part.

I had a stretch and sweep done at 41 weeks, without warning, consent etc by a stand in ob. that was the negative part.

After finding another OB I was told I would have to go to be induced 2 days later.

I arrived at the hospital at 10am to have gel put in, and 1/2 hour of monitoring later they asked me if I wanted to go home for a while, which I said yes. They had admitted me by that stage, so I had to be back by a certain time etc.

Well I started having period type pain almost immediately, and had contractions on-off through the afternoon, certainly still manageablt by the time I had to go back to hospital at 5pm. They progressed and got closer and more painful until about 9:30 when I had a proper show, blood everywhere etc, and they asked me if I wanted to go in the bath which I jumped at!

Becuase the OB was only going to be there if I needed stitches etc, and my waters had not broken I stayed in there until 1am. At whici point they hurt again and I decided I wanted gas. By the time they'd turned it to the max level, I wanted to push. Somewhere there they ruptured my membranes and DS was born 90 mins later.

No drip, no immediate painful contractions, the gas was something I had always been open to, and the ARM well by that stage I just wanted DS out. No c/s, and for a 10lb 4oz baby with a 38cm HC the midwives were all a bit excited.

I was really pleased with my birthing experience from the induction onward. As I said I probably would not have chosen it but it was a really great outcome for all of us.

:hug: Beck! I am with you completely. As you know i'm booked in for induction on Thursday (i'll be 10 days overdue) and have also received a lot of pressure to try and avoid it. This is just not an option in my case cause it's actually a danger to the life of my baby and myself to continue much further as i had a placenta abruption with my last preg. The longer the baby stays inside the weaker the placenta becomes...and i just can't take that chance again. I desperately want a VBAC this time around and i know that having an induction may ruin that chance but having my little girl out safe in the world, what ever way that ends up being, is my priority.

People have their own personal reasons for an induction and think it'd be nice to be supported in those. Being overdue is tough enough as it is and such an emotional time for us - positive feedback and information would be appreciated.

I was induced with gel and had a terrible experience. I think it is really important for women to know of the risks, there are quite a few induction stories on the home page, did you read those?
The article did say that the benefit of induction is to save the life of mum and bub in dangerous circumstances.
Have you googled the topic on the net?? I doubt the info would be any different.
I too had complete faith in my ob when he told me I would not go into labour on my own. Women need to be made aware of the reasons for having induction, some of which are definately necessary!
Maybe it could include some info about what situations really do require an induction, but then that comes down to personal opinion really anyway.
I feel sorry that you are now worried because of the info, but if it was risks you didn't know about I would be questioning your ob as to why he didn't tell you about them in the first place?
Good Luck for tomorrow, if you know you have made the right decision then don't worry about anything you read, because labour and birth always takes unexpected turns anyway.

I can understand that you would want something that has a positive side. Inductions are scary. I only have my experience which was awful so I won't share, but I guess the other thing was when I was being talking into induction (actually... it wasn't like that I was being told that I would have an induction...) I wasn't told anything about side effects an difficulties. I wasn't even told about their hospital policies and the fact that my birth plan was compromised with induction.

I went in for induction at 14 days post EDD with Matilda and was rebooked in because she was no where near the cervix. So I didn't go in to be induced because I wanted too, or was being eager... I was being told that my babies life was at risk.

The reason why I wrote the article was because lots of people having inductions these days, but you wont find much info on the side effects and problems that can arise - not many doctors will tell you all of the risks, especially as far as bub's side is concerned. It was moreso aimed at those thinking of a convenience induction as per the introduction. I also don't believe in telling people what they want to hear but what they need to hear, so it doesn't come as a shock later should something happen and they can't figure out what the heck happened... something that happened at a birth I was at last night, in fact.

I am happy to add in positive stories where an induction was warranted, however I still believe in presenting the potential complications. Those side-effects were taken from the drug info leaflets which come with the drugs, just like when you get medication from the chemist, you get that info, so why not induction drugs. I also reiterated many times that you have to make sure the risks outweigh the benefits and if so, then of course it's the best thing to do.

Feel free to send me your induction stories, and I will add one or two in. info@bellybelly.com.au

I think the thing to remember too is that if there is information available and you do need/choose to have an induction you can work best with that information. Its easier to prepare yourself and your body if you know what could or what will happen. I am sure there are also techniques on dealing with pain and so forth for inductions too.

Whilst not all inductions go pear shaped, I think no matter the type of birth its great to have information to work with whether its positive or negative.

Goodluck!

*hugs*
Cailin

Beck,

It sounds like all three of you made an informed decision, which I believe is the most important thing. You are going to get positive and negative stories/experiences on just about everything from falling pg, being pg, labour and when bubs is born etc.... Empower yourself with information and make the 'right' choice for you and bubs.
I am in agreeance with Rae 'The longer the baby stays inside the weaker the placenta becomes...' This is my fear of going past my due date and will be bringing this up with my OBS on Wednesday (I will be nearly 38 wks). I will seek his advice and opinion of being induced (I have previously spoken to him earlier on in my pg about it) if and when I need to.
Good luck for tommorrow, we'll be waiting for your birth announcement post!

When you go past your 'due date' most Obs will do a placenta function scan / water level scan and some will do a fetal stress test. So they have things to monitor you with. Full term is classed up to 42 weeks.

I do understand what you mean.
I've had two inductions and before the last one in particular I did feel pretty cagey about discussing it here because there is a very "anti" feeling and I also had a couple of medical issues going on which was why induction was on the table for me.
HOWEVER, I very much agree that the information that kelly has provided in those articles - while appearing to take a fairly anti-slant - is not freely available, and I was not told any of it by my obstetricians before either of my inductions.
So I do consider that it's a good thing that it's there even if it does make some of us squirmy.
Unfortunately there does seem to be a lot more women unhappy with their induction experiences than not, and I don't think we do eachother or any future mums who are being induced (for whatever reason) any favours by glossing over the facts. It's a tough call :(
All the best for birth and I hope everything goes well for you.

Best of luck for the birth, Babushka Doll!!

I had to be induced via a drip because my waters broke, but there was no sign of labour. Although I really wanted a natural birth, I took the view that induction was in the baby's best interests, as risk of infection was increased. I was worried that inducing the baby would mean I'd have to have pethidine or an epidural as I'd heard that induced births are more painful. But we managed without either, and I was incredibly proud of myself, and very happy with the birth experience.

In the end, we've all got to make a decision based upon what we believe is best for ourselves and our baby. Sounds like that's exactly what you've done. All the best for the exciting time ahead!

Good luck for tomorrow!

Like you, i had to have an induction (at 41+3) as my scan showed very low fluid levels, and there was a concern about placenta function... I had to have it for the safety of my child, and I in no way regret it, as it was medically not convience indicated!

As i did plan for a more natural birth, i wanted the gentlest induction possible. As i started having some regular contractions (about every 15 mins) the night before, i choose to refuse the drip and just have my waters broken... I did feel my body could do it, it just needed some help along. 4 days before (on my scan day), i was already 3cm, so i didn't need gels either.

It did take some work (luckily i had Kelly there to help me get active), a lot of walking, hip rocking etc, but i really got the contractions to pick up after about 2 hours of the waters being broken, so i didn't need to go on the drip. If i had spent a numbers of hours doing it without getting strong contractions closer together, i would have had the drip with no hestitations, because again, i knew this was in the best interests of my child.

The things that went more pear shaped for me later on i felt were more a response to pain relief (morphine as baby was posterior), not really induction related, so in terms of that part of my labour, i don't have negative feelings or memories...

I believe Relle had a really positive experience from her induction, hopefully she will come in here and tell her story.

My advice is to go in there happy and confident with yourself, you are doing the best thing for you and the baby. Depending on what your aims are, you might like to try and do things gradually and see if that is just the kick start that you needed, or you might want to go the full deal. It is important to know that there are side effects to each and every induction method, but it is also what you make of it.

Hope that helps in some way? can't wait to hear some good news :)

Beck, good luck for tomorrow hun. Not sure if you would have saw these when you found the article, but here is a heap of induction birth stories from the main site too https://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-...-birth-stories

Good Luck Babushka doll, I was induced after my waters had broken 72hours earlier & there was lot's of meconium on the pad I was wearing!
I was 41wks 1st preg & had no idea what to expect..
I was given 2 lot's of IV electrolytes & then given syntocin drip as my contractions were all over the place! I had a wonderful birthing experience, it may not be the ideal type of birth from others on this site but I was happy with my birthing experience with DD#1, I know when push comes to shove & your holding your gorgeous baby in your arm tomorrow it really wont matter... Your body created & birthed you a beautiful baby!!

Best wishes!!!

Hi Babushka Doll,

Yael is spot on, I had a wonderful and beautiful experience with my induction, and whilst I completely 100% agree that you need to be fully informed about the pros and the cons for inductions, it is really what is best for you as an indivdual, but with careful consideration to the possible complications, which clearly you, your DH and you OB have already covered.

I CHOSE to have an induction, it was MY REQUEST and not my Obs recommendation, and I had my own reasons, none of which were related to health, but rather the mental health of me at the time.

It was categorically the BEST THING FOR ME at that time with the experiences that I had had with my first birth, and I would not change a thing.

My Ob went straight to breaking my waters ( I was already 2cm) and I went for a walk for an hour, but not a contraction in site, so I chose to have the drip started and the contractions started off really slowly and merely as pressure. The midwife turned the drip up every half hour so my body could adjust to the increasing intensity of the contractions, but I got through them with just the gas and focused breathing.

At some point in transition I actually snapped the bung in my hand so the syntocin was stopped and I finished dilating and then was pushing of my own accord.

This is after a sponateous first birth that I would classify as much more painful and ended up with every drug under the sun. My induction was my healing, and I am now ready to have a spontaneous again.

Kelly has made a very valid point in previous posts though that every womans body and uterus can react differently to the syntocin, hence the reason some people find the induction so much more unbearable than spontaneous labours. If you do go onto the drip, you do have the right to ask for it to be turned down, or even off if it is getting to unbearable.

Beck........please feel free to read my birth story with Charlie HERE. I was induced with him. It was still a fantastic birthing experience..........

Very best of luck.

Goodluck Beck!! Not all inductions are horrible and go wrong hun, just like vaginal births and c/s births and breech briths. II was induced and it was not horrible and for the record my doc took the time when I booked in for the induction to go through EVERYTHING with me like most docs do thes days as they have to to cover themselves.Everything has its pros and cons and don't be swayed by what you read. Go in positive and happy hun. Take care xx

Hi there, I've had 3 inductions with no problems.

Isobel was 10 days overdue, so at 4 p.m. on a Sunday I was given the gel, at 8.30 the next morning I went into labour & she was born at 11.45 a.m., and I'd had period pain that felt worse than the contractions.

William was also 10 days overdue, so I had the gel again, but this time it didn't work, so I had the drip. Labour started at 1.30 p.m and he was born at 3 p.m. Contractions were more intense, but very bearable.

Induction no. 3 was with the twins, & because one of them was breech I had an epidural as the OB had to reach in & pull him out. I didn't feel anything because of the epidural which was a shame, but I had to think what was best for me & the babies.

I hope these stories are of some help to you, & I can't wait to read about your birth announcement. Good luck!

I guess another reason that many people will warn you about inductions is that you have to be prepared to stand up for yourself and ask for the additional pain relief, support, etc. that you may need. Many women aren't expecting the difference between a natural labour and an augmented labour, and so are not aware that there might be a need for increased pain relief, or as mentioned, the need to turn down the syntocinon drip.

Goodluck Babushka Doll...

I am sorry you didn't feel supported - however the information available is factual and evidence based. Now, that's not to say that inductions shouldn't happen. Just that when a woman chooses/agrees to an induction that she has access to factual information to help her make that decision...

I have had spontaneous vaginal births for my children... However, due to a medical condition (APS) I require anticoagulant therapy for this pregnancy along with prednisone and asprin... I havae to cease the anticoagulants at 37 weeks "in case" of labour... I am not sure how my head will deal with that... Waiting for the birth and praying that I don't develop a clot in our placenta... (the risk is very very very minimal)... It's my head... So, I will consider an induction. I am fully informed and it's certainly not a decision I could ever forsee happening for me... But one that I am leaning towards at this early stage. I know how important head space is when you labour and I am thinking mine won't be so hot without the anticoags on board! So, my point is life gives us things to deal with and we have to deal with them in the way that fits comfortably with us...

Your decision for induction is right for you and your situation... I hope your birth is everything you hope for and that this time tomorrow you are tucked up tightly with your little one enjoying a lovely breastfeed... :hug:

I agree Beck, that sometimes induction is seen as "taboo" or "not right" here on BB and that people do sort of look down on you. I feel the same way for breastfeeding and c/s, and sometimes think that people need to tone down their opinion, everyone is entitled to one but sometimes it gets taken a bit far, and I personally have been made to feel small and insignifigant for one of the abovementioned reasons (that is that I'm not breastfeeding).

I believe you and your doctor know what's right for you and your baby - I wish you the best of luck sweetheart, and cannot wait for you to be holding your gorgeous surprise baby in your arms.

The end result is what counts - whatever it takes to get there is totally up to you - i had the drip - my waters broke at 37w1d and I had Strep B - so the risk of infection was greater (i suppose....) - my labour was full on and i ended with an epidural - but i would have done it a million times harder to get the end result that i got - we have been blessed with a gorgeous, healthy baby boy and that alone was worth all the stress and anxiety - good luck hope you have a wonderful birth experience :)

I disagree that people are looked down upon. I am passionate about getting information out there which is not often passed on through care providers, I know I wasn't given any. So I do like to inform but I never judge and I don't think many others do either. I think it's all how you perceive the comments, some find it attacking and judgemental but people see things differently. I certainly don't sit here and shake my head at anyone, I believe we all do the best we can with what we have, at the time.

This is probably too late for you to read, coz you're probably already in the hospital getting ready.. if not having your baby already!

It's interesting to read that people's uterus respond to the drip etc differently... perhaps my uterus appreciated the help? hehe. I was augmented with the drip (waters had already broken, and all contractions stalled) and went on to have a painrelief-free labour. After reading about how many people suffer terribly with the drip, I was surprised I could get through it the way I did.

So they're not all bad endings :) Good luck! Altho, having said that, I'll be doing my best to avoid that same situation this time :)

Kel, unfortunately you don't read everything that goes on, and the tone and intent in alot of people's post are that of being judgemental and "I am mightier than thou". I'm not saying that maybe I or someone else can't percieve something differently to what it is intended, but 9 out of 10 times I'm pretty sure I can pick up on the not so subtle hints in people's posts.

Just saying :)

I was induced with Charlie (he was in distress) and I have not had the experience of feeling like I had a 'lesser' birth than anyone else, personally. In fact, when I raised some doubts as to whether I should have been induced, it was Kelly that pointed out to me that my caregiver did the best thing he could for me.

Good luck Babushka Doll!

I think people come to the forums already defensive of their decisions, and that can make it easier to see 'judgement' in other peoples posts if mention is made that there are greater risks etc. I've never seen anyone being personally told they've done the wrong thing.. everyone has their own reasons for their decisions, often unknown to the rest of us, but people do take things personally thinking they're being called a bad mother or something. And really, I haven't seen that at all.

Did that make sense? I've never felt looked down on for having the augmentation in my labour.. I've learned that I could probably have avoided it, and that there was risk in having it, but have never taken it personally when inductions are spoken about as risky etc. And I'm reading the same posts as everyone else I'm sure :)

Interesting.

I was induced with Charlie as I mentioned in a previous post. In hindsight it was not, IMHO, necessary. Kelly knew the whole story and detail of my previous birth and of the circumstances surrounding Charlie's induction. No doubt she could have been sorely tempted to say to me at any point post birth"I told you so", but she hasn't, bless her, despite providing me with great information as I debated my choices........

All that said, I have never felt like it was a lesser birth. I have never felt judged at all, by anyone. I have never felt like anyone looks down at me for it. I am confident it was a choice I made for the right reasons at the time.......so maybe my self confidence protects me? Dunno.........

I was induced and I hate that - no one here has judged me for it, but I feel like a failure myself. Yes, I was really overdue and yes, it needed doing, but I'm still not happy about it. I can't read anyone else's birth stories here just because I feel so bad that I wasn't able to birth my son the way I'd wanted to. I can't talk about birth without wanting to cry, I feel that much of a failure. (Yes, I know this isn't right, but it's just who I am; I have very high standards for myself and you just learn to live with feeling this way about even one dirty dish left in the sink.)

You don't need pain relief for it, btw, it isn't really that much more painful. I didn't have the problem of drugs not being given, I had the problem where I was fighting them off for hours, then as soon as I said OK I had an epidural in before I could blink; I think my midwives were worried that I was going to change my mind!

Yes, I wonder too... I will debate having an induction for reasons I have outlined above. Am I afraid of criticisim on BB for that? Not on your life! Some people may make different choices (as may I as the time draws closer).

I believe when we make decisions we make them from an educated perspective, listening to our heart... That is self confidence...

Again, nobody knows what is happening internally for folk - here on BB we hope to provide evidence based information and the shared experience of women from all different backgrounds...

Well, I hope Beck is holding her little one now!

From reading these boards through the course of my pregnancy, I formed the opinion that I would avoid induction at all costs. Now I don't particularly recall a specific post that said "Inductions are bad, don't do it" but I guess it is the overall vibe that one gets reading BB. Same goes for b/f and c/s - in my experience.

Now I've been diagnosed with GD, I have been told an induction is on the cards and therefore, my thinking has changed (understandably). When it wasn't an option, it was easy for me to say, "I definitely won't be doing that!" Now I have to seriously consider the implications. In order to be more informed, as well as trying to understand where Beck was coming from in her opening post, I read Kelly's article. I thought it was informative and perhaps only slightly biased. I will say that some language used like reasons for having an induction deemed "inappropriate" could be read as a judgement. But I'm sure that is unintended. However, when this less than perfect option becomes a real possibility for you, every word is charged with high emotion (by the reader).
The inclusion of the possible side effects as listed for the drugs used to induce is important but I think, serves to scare maybe a little unnecessarily. I would never have taken a prescription drug if I were to pay too much mind to these possible side effects. Legally, they must cover everything but the reality is that many of them are extremely rare. Having said that, I'm still grateful to have access to this information. But when you're dealing with the life of your baby, so much is amplified. It's easy to become very frightened.

So in the end, if I'm advised to have an induction, I will almost certainly agree. But I am grateful to have been informed prior!

The bit where it says inductions are appropriate / inappropriate etc were the words of midwife, Brenda Manning, who is both a birth centre and homebirth midwife. Not my own.

I have had clients diagnosed with GD who avoided an induction despite being post-dates, it's something you do have to watch but also something do-able.

I just want to say that in regards to the Group B Strep - I have tested positive as a carrier for it this pg and not once have I been told that I will need an induction because of it. Antibiotics yes, but induction no. In fact having had two spontaneous labours and one induced one (my last) I am more determined than ever to avoid another induction and my Dr is with me on this as I had two of the more severe complications from the syncto (retained placenta and PPH) and I can even go the full 72 hrs with broken waters before we have to condsider that because I will already be on the ab's. Avoid induction is the best chance I have of not having a repeat retained placenta and another subsequent PPH.

I had an awesome induction, due to pre eclampsia, it certainly wasnt as bad as everyone makes out! It was 3hrs from drip insertion to placenta delivery and I had no pain relief. I hope yours has gone as well.

I had GD with my last pregnancy... Induction for GD is certainly not routine for many obs/hospitals so it may be something you want to explore further. Evie was born around her due date.

I think it's really importaant to understand the side effects of drugs - even when it is scary... The to's and fros' need to be weighed up but I believe being fully informed is important...

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The bit where it says inductions are appropriate / inappropriate etc were the words of midwife, Brenda Manning, who is both a birth centre and homebirth midwife. Not my own.

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Figured as much, Kelly. :) Again, if people are emotionally attached to an issue, then all language runs the risk of being misconstrued. It's the nature of this very special but often bewildering time for women. And given this bewilderment and in many cases, straight up fear, it is imperiative that women can become completely informed.

Before discovering BB, I would have deferred to my carers every time for important decision-making. I would have assumed they knew best and would be unlikely to question it (which is so not like me in general life matters). So the service that BB and Kelly provide really is invaluable. But I also think there are still some women who don't want to know, aren't interested in being informed and are far more comfortable leaving it in the hands of their medical team. And I respect that choice too.

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I have had clients diagnosed with GD who avoided an induction despite being post-dates, it's something you do have to watch but also something do-able.

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I've been told "they won't let you go over your EDD" and it's great to know that I, in fact, do have the right to refuse the induction. But the truth is, if I look like going over, I don't honestly want to. I don't agree that the only time a c/s, induction etc are necessary is if there is a life-threatening condition. For me, the whole point of being informed is to open up my choices, not limit them.

This is why I didn't vote in the poll on outcome versus experience. I just don't know how I really feel about it. Of course, if I could have an ideal birth and a healthy bub, I would. But all I'm really attached to is a well baby at the end. But then I've never had a traumatic birth experience where I feel decisions were made that were unnecessary or erroneous. Gosh, it's a real minefield of emotion!

It is very confusing I agree! My client with GD through the birth centre would get one Ob saying I wont let you go past your due date, one saying you can go a week over and another who was a 'wait and see' doctor. So you are at the mercy of the Ob's opinions which is why I believe in the provision of info so if you do want to suss out which is best for you, it is here. If you want to take Obs advice then that is fine too - if they want to they will. But with BB, the info I choose to place on the main site will be the side you may not be told - and that's okay - because I also know other sites will have that info that others are seeking too. So you can have the luxury of comparing sites and info and what works with you, is what you can do. We are lucky to have this place called the internet to share info - imagine what it would be like without it! I would not know as much as I do now that is for sure ;)

Another thing I have found with this pg is that if you go to your Dr armed with info about certain things (whether it be induction, cord clamping, brith plan etc) it usually surprises them (in a good way in my experience) and they are more forthcoming with what they think about your suggestions and they can tell you what they really think about it and you can discuss it together. A lot of Dr's I have found wont tell you if you don't ask - so it always pays to ask if you aren't sure or have any questions about things.

Yeah Sherie - my OB said "I know you're the type to research things.. " and went into greater depth about risks of tearing, types of tears etc etc etc. I got the impression he wouldn't have done that if he didn't know I was one that wanted to know everything! He also didn't want me reading the 'wrong' things on the internet .. but I'm always careful where I get info from. I know some people believe anything they read on the internet, but I try to make sure it's a reliable source (like BB! :) )

You are so right Sherie! After my last Angel BAby when I went on my big "fact seeking mission" and went about "interviewing" specialists... I got sooooooo much more info when they could see I really knew what I was talking about...
Also, when you say... This is what is important to me... How can we best achieve that? It may be cord clamping it may be lots of things but using those words... This is important to me because.... It even helps to print out some info - studies are always good! Before all of my appts on my "fact finding mission" I sent ahead studies I had etc. The doctors were forewarned. They knew they were not dealing with a bunny.

Like everyone obs and midwives have "their own way of doing things". We as consumers need to go into an appt with lots of info that we can talk through... He/she then needs to convince YOU of their perspective and why. Ask for studies. Ask for evidence based information not personal opinion.

Sometimes the practitioner will raise points that you may need to go away and reasearch more - or maybe you are comfy with what they say.

THE most important thing is FACTUAL information...

I remember when I had my last live baby I had her at a private hospy. I had not had that before. I had my own midwife (employed by said hospy). I didn't want the obs in the room when I was birthing. FOR ME birth is womans business and I need my dark cave of women/family and of course DH. I chose the obs that would agree not to enter my space unless there was a medical indicator... He sat outside and chatted to my kids as they came in and out, ate donuts and read the paper!

As women we can get what we need for our birthing... We just need to be lovingly assertive and fully informed (I believe...:hug:)