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I've been boycotting them since uni but I must admit that I failed dismally when it came to nappies because I have used Huggies.
For those who don't know the why here are a couple of links
Kleercut.Net | Kimberly-Clark and Kleenex are wiping away ancient forests
Are Kleenex tissues wiping out forests? - Sep. 27, 2006
They are more US based. KC has also used wood from old growth forests in Tasmania and Indonesia.
Stop dude! My head can't handle all the ignorance I have had all these years. Another brand! And I lurve Kleenex tissues too.
Thanks bronti
Oh, I didn't know about this one either. Well I have used Huggies but I don't think I use any of their products atm. I'll have to keep it that way.
Another one here who was not really aware about what they are up to. I do tend to avoid Huggies anyway due to a lot of the "OMG, I can't believe you don't use Huggies!!" comments I received from my old mothers group. I hated that a brand of nappies (and the wipes) had become a status symbol and yet another thing to make a mother feel awful about.
Just letting you know that my mum worked for this company for many many years (13 in fact) and they actually plant 2 trees for every tree that they take down.
They were one of the first companies to ever have an environmental policy and Environmental Management System.
There is more to it than just taking down trees. Before I post more, I am going to speak to my mum about it again but they do a lot more than what other nappy, toilet paper, tissue, paper companies do.
I wont boycott them. To me they are the best and they do try to be as ethical as they can be.
IMO you can't replace and old growth forest with a pine plantation and claim to be acting in a sustainable manner. TBH that's just taking the **** - ok we've destroyed a forest that is thousands of years old, exposed the delicate topsoil to the elements so that it is washed and blown away, deprived animals of their habitat and to make up for it we'll plant some pine trees. Replacing an ecosytem with a monoculture is joke and it's insulting that they think that the general public is stupid enough to swallow it.
In the US less than 19% of their pulp is from recycled sources.
There are a number of Australian owned recycled products to wipe your butt on there's no need to support a company that supports clear felling.
Pine plantations are actually quite destructive to the soil. They basically strip it of any nutrients, so it is useless after that. A very short term fix, with a lot of long term damage. Our last trip to Tassie we could already see the damage appearing.
I have moved to recycled toilet paper (can't remember the brand, but it has frogs on it) cause it's also soft.
We were talking to a redgum cabinetmaker who was telling us about the managed plantations for redgums.
Brontide- They arent just destroying masses of forests and I would advice you to look at their website before making such misleading statements.
Here are some cold hard facts for you taken from their website. Sustainable forest management – Kimberly-Clark Australia & New Zealand
All Kimberly-Clark Australia’s tissue products are now PEFC accredited.
To achieve certification, Kimberly-Clark has been independently audited to ensure that throughout the production process, the company is able to identify what fibre has gone into its products.
Importantly, its procedures must show the following:
* no wood or fibre comes from illegal operations or controversial sources
* the percentage of fibre which comes from certified forest operations.
Detailed calculations confirm that all Kimberly-Clark Australia tissue products have over 80% of fibre sourced from forests accredited under the PEFC scheme as sustainably managed. We are working with suppliers to aim for 100% of our wood and fibres from certified forests. Wood from all sources is certified, under chain of custody, as legally harvested and not from controversial sources.
Kimberly-Clark Australia’s certification includes the following auditing:
* wood production (plantations/forests) in different countries
* fibre (‘pulp’) production in different countries, and
* tissue manufacture in Australia using different mixes of fibres.
In 2008:
* 87% of the fibre used in KCA mills was sourced from certified forest areas.
* We continued to reduce our water usage year on year.
* 97% of waste was diverted from landfill.
Whats a 'certified forest area?'
Here is a link Lulu that explains what a certified forest area is:
FCRC: How Forest Certification Works
Ali, I don't find KC's PR statement very convincing. IMO they are not so much cold, hard fact as spin. They have a massive credibility issue. This is from CNN - a very conservative source that generally sides with big business
The spin refers to KCA meaning Kimberly Clarke Australia which is a subsidiary company of Kimberly-Clarke. Even if I trusted it's claims in regard to Australia there are still the larger global issues of the destruction of forests in Indonesia and North America. For so long as they continue to turn forests into toilet paper I will continue to boycott them regardless of whether they are Australian forests or forests abroad.:
Here's the problem, though. It's hard to trust Kimberly-Clark because the company's actions have not lived up to its rhetoric. The company has often said - prominently in its 2005 sustainability report and as recently as March, 2006, in its proxy statement to shareholders - that its corporate policy "prohibits the use of wood fibers from ... ecologically significant old-growth areas, including ... temperate rainforests in coastal British Columbia."
Several months later, Greenpeace researchers who dug into U.S. Customs records and questioned K-C suppliers issued a report called "Chain of Lies" saying that K-C was, in fact, purchasing wood fiber from the coastal forests in British Columbia.
Subsequently and to its credit, K-C did an internal review and found that it had, in fact, "purchased a small amount of wood chips" that were "derived from logs harvested from the British Columbia coastal area."
Oops.
No problem Brontide.
I am just putting the facts out there that in Australia they are a reputable compnay that are contantly audited by outside resources.
I wouldnt mind seeing the entire article or a link to it as what you stated didnt convince me. Saying that they have used a small amount of woodchip from british Comlubia coastal areas doesnt really state fact to me. Any reporter can make a generalised comment like that (and what is a small amount???)
Yeah, but the point is they backflipped and then decided they did use the old-growth forests. It's not just KC doing this sort of thing though.
The next thing I have an issue with is the triple strength dunny paper. People use the same amounts of paper and it's now clogging up the sewer system.
The entire article is linked in the first post I made. I'm surprised you didn't bother reading it before jumping in to defend them so enthusiastically
TBH I don't even understand why they are boasting about trying to use 100% 'certified forest' products. If they were aiming for 100% recycled then I might be impressed (although probably not because there are some lovely paper with no question marks against them that already use 100% recycled pulp).
LOL Lulu, what is it with the 3 ply. Why does it need to be so 'strong'? It's not like people are writing novels on it.
And the brilliant, blinding white? Does it really need to be super bleached to deserve a place in the bathroom?
ETA - Just being doing some googling re PEFC. Seems that WWF and the Wilderness society aren't fans and that it has certified some pretty unsustainable forest destruction as sustainable. It sucks when the bodies held up as protecting the environment do no such thing :(
Duuuude 3ply Quilton was excellent soft on my sore post-birth giving vagina :D
But otherwise i used to buy the 'safe' recycled brand i think
It is actually all the saving of water and diverting grey water to gardens that is clogging the sewerage system. In Aus the sewers require a certain level of water to flow through the systems, they were never designed with the current water restrictions in mind. I suppose though the thicker paper would be contributing as well.:
Quilton isn't quite so bad. At least it's Aussie owned and most of the pulp is plantation wood.:
But what would be even softer on your tender post-natal punanni is water - keep a squeezy sauce bottle by the loo and pack one in your labour bag :p
Astrid - I was reading an article about it a few weeks ago - funnily enuff in the dunny.
DH works in the "poo" industry, he saw first hand the damage it was doing to the sewers.
Sorry Brontide. My mistake, I thought it was only one link and clicked the top line and read that.
Still doesnt convince me and there is alot of generalised statements in there.
You can continue boycotting them but I will not.
Cookie- I am surprised that they put that rough stuff in the maternity ward when women clearly need something a bit more gentle! Def a must for the labour bag!
Here's a fact - each tonne of recycled paper saves 26000 litres of water. That's a lot of water in a country like Australia that is trying to cope with the death of most of its major river systems.
I have never boycotted them intentionally, but i don't buy their products. I was brought up with, and always buy recycled toilet paper. I even hate using non-recycled elsewhere.
I have on the odd occasion bought their tissues, but i won't be now, thanks for opening my eyes. :D
Kleenex, Huggies, Pull-Ups, Cottonelle, Viva, and Kotex.....you will find them all in my household!
Alibaby, that's along the same lines as the 'We can pollute as much as we like because we brought a trillion carbon credits" that the major big pulluters like to use to justify not changing their practices :rolleyes:
I do buy their toilet paper and I do buy huggies, but that's about it. We are on a septic system so when the septic gets emptied we just dump it up in our hill for eventual use as fertiliser so the toilet paper that goes through it isn't an issue, but the rate at which the kids use it is an issue - I find that kleenex loo paper lasts a lot longer than the 'thinner' ones. And I only buy 2-ply too.
OT, but I didn't much like the 'John Wayne" toilet paper you get in hospital either - so named cause it's rough and tough and takes no sh it from anyone PMSL!
Trill- you just reminded me, growing up we had a septic system and Dad had this rule we were only allowed 2 squares of toilet paper. :rofl: Not that is was adhered to or monitored, but we got the idea not too use too much as it would block up the septic.
I don't much like the toilet paper in alot of hospitals either.....
Why do you think kleenex last longer? Do you think it's b/c it is a bigger roll or that the kids use less?
PMSL Falguni - you've just reminded me that my dad used to be the same! Mum always said to ignore him though ;)
Ange, I guess because some of the cheaper ones just aren't as thick, so they don't do the job quite as well kwim? Whereas the kleenex is slightly thicker so you don't need as much.
When we were about to have DS and DP was still working on me not to use sposies full time (and the recycling service that soon after went bust anyway!), he did quite a search about the claims of these companies and found that every article that was supposed to be factual and unbiased was either sponsored by Kimberley-Clarke or produced by them. That was it for me - the 'it works out to have less environmental impact than cloth nappies' line turned out to be just spin and very, very skewed...not even balanced, because it forgets to mention the water used to produce sposies (as well as other paper products like tissues).
So, outside of pregnancy and post-birth, I opt for recycled paper, preferably in recycled paper packaging, not the plastic wrap. I like the Quilton, too :)
I use the Aldi tissues and have a box of Kleenex at home because I hadn't been on an Aldi shop for ages and the local Foodworks had little left on shelves.
I don't so much boycott them, I just dislike buying toilet paper that isn't recycled, especially if it's also bleached/printed/perfumed. I mean hello, it's for wiping butts with! It doesn't need to look pretty, and who smells their TP? Nope, unbleached recycled TP for me - it's just as soft, and tears in the right place, and those are the important criteria :)
Huggies, Kleenex...lots in my house here...i won't be boycotting.
We were notorious for speeding through toilet paper so my Dad set up a clipboard with a pen and paper where we had to log our toilet paper usage... it then became a competition of who could use the least amount haha:
:rofl: at your Dad and the clipboard. What a classic.
Bahahahahah and i thought my dad was bad!