Oh my god please tell me this is not true!!!!!

Whilst looking up home natural induction methods I came across this website: http://www.compleatmother.com/articl...stor_oil.shtml

But to be more specific I quote this paragraph, take careful notice of the BOLD UNDERLINE print:

Secondly, I suggest something that may strike some as surprising: frequently make love and have orgasms, whether by yourself or with your partner! There are numerous benefits to any labor in doing so, including but not limited to the fact that semen ripens the cervix (it is nature's intended prostaglandin gel insert - the stuff they give women in the hospital is actually pig semen!), nipple stimulation encourages the production of a natural amount of oxytocin (synthetic oxytocin or "pitocin" or "pit" is much stronger and therefore brings on harder, more painful contractions in most cases which can lead to uterine rupture, maternal exhaustion, fetal distress to name a few, and it has many contraindications and warnings -- ask for the package insert...), and simply being loving and intimate with one's partner naturally relaxes the woman's entire body which is essential to a safe, complication free birth, not to mention the fact that it bonds the couple immeasurably around this miraculous event!

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Please tell me this is NOT true! That is SOOOOOO disgusting!

What on earth was going through the persons mind who invented this technique?
"hmmm, how can we simulate a chemical replication of semen?? oh heck, lets just get a pig to sprog in this and try it out"

Let this be a warning to girls about to face inductions! Sorry, I didn't mean to find this and scare you! But you'd rather know something like this right? How terrifying!

I have no idea.... it makes sence that it might be part of the chemical make up for prostaglandin, or something, but I highly doubt it would actually be straight pig semen...

lots of the products used in medicine are derived from animal products (blood etc) - it wouldn't surprise me if the seminal fluid of an animal was refined for use. it's not like it would go from pig to person - there would be a lot of processing first to ensure it's clean!

Not according to the MIMS online. I just checked the induction drugs and they are chemical compositions as far as I can tell. The site is an American one so I am not sure if it is true for there or not.

The chemical composition of the drugs may be based on semen though. Many of our drugs originated in nature ie digoxin for irregular heart beats is originally from the digitalis plant.

My DD was an induced labour, no wonder she is a little piggy lmao...:rofl:

i would love to know if the is true????

i have been induced and i gotta say if it is true then i feel very much sickened and violated that would be and is against my beliefs in a massive way if i am reading corretcly!!!!!!

Hmmm weird...would not surprise me lol

Edited because I had a total brain fart :lol:

MD - the prostaglandin gel is different - what i have just googled (randomly - not saying its' THE drug we use in AU) - it says

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PREPIDIL Gel contains dinoprostone as the naturally occurring form of prostaglandin E2

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ETA - i believe Au hospitals tend to use prostin - same thing though

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcmed.nsf/pages/csccervi/$File/csccervi.pdf
Ingredients:
Pessary (vaginal insert)
The active ingredient in CERVIDIL® is dinoprostone.
The active ingredient is within a plastic (polyurethane) sustained release insert which contains:
hexanetriol/macrogol 8000/isocyanate cross-linked hydrogel copolymer.
The insert is held within a pouch in continuity with a withdrawal tape.
Pouch and tape are made of knitted polyester yarn.

I can't find a single reference for where the prostaglandin E2 is made from - and that includes pigs. I would be reticent to believe an inflamatory webpage like the one your info is from. Obviously, there is prostaglandin E2 in semen of pigs - but it's also in donkeys, rats, dogs, humans, rainbow trout, etc... I think you get my point.

The only reference for pig (boar, actually) semen & prostaglandin E2 I found was in a paper on improving artificial insemination of pigs.

In terms of disease risk - I'd rather pig semen than human semen.

Thanks BG :redface: I should know having had The Whole Shebang first time round. Late night brain fart.

no probs MD - i have those regularly!

i'm like you entreat - i'd rather an animal byproduct than a human one in most cases - prostaglandins included!

lol I wasn't even thinking in terms of disease yet, I was just GROSSED OUT!

I only found the page after google searching on castor oil, was just going through and reading search result one by one.

Why do you prefer to have animal disease risk than human disease risk? I worded that weirdly I know....

I think they mean there's just less chance of desease in pigs than in humans, or that the desease isn't as bad. IYKWIM...

I think that insulin used by diabetics was for a long time based on pig products (is now fully synthetic I think), and I think also heart valves have also been used from pigs for human transplants...from thinking back to my ag uni days (long time ago), pig organs (and so I'm guessing hormones) are not that far removed from humans...at one stage there was investigation of using pig organs (eg hearts/lungs) for transplant into humans due to the low number of organ donors. Of course we are talking about pigs bred specifically for the purpose under very specialised conditions etc. Not sure it ever went far due to the ethical considerations. So a lot of people (maybe more than we thought :lol:) owe their lives to little piggies! ...oh and I think that there is a horse hormone used for some treatment of some other human illness...pregnant mare syrum I think it is called...and we use a by-product from milk in some toothpastes to strenghten teeth...as for the disease risk, animal by-products prob would have to face stronger disease testing and are specifically harvested under very controled conditions than say, your average backyard vegie patch where mice/snails/birds etc etc (oh add more to the list if you use animal manure to fertilise) have been...

Of course this is all from memory so take with the grain of salt it prob needs :)

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I think that insulin used by diabetics was for a long time based on pig products (is now fully synthetic I think), and I think also heart valves have also been used from pigs for human transplants...from thinking back to my ag uni days (long time ago), pig organs (and so I'm guessing hormones) are not that far removed from humans...at one stage there was investigation of using pig organs (eg hearts/lungs) for transplant into humans due to the low number of organ donors. Of course we are talking about pigs bred specifically for the purpose under very specialised conditions etc. Not sure it ever went far due to the ethical considerations. So a lot of people (maybe more than we thought :lol:) owe their lives to little piggies! ...oh and I think that there is a horse hormone used for some treatment of some other human illness...pregnant mare syrum I think it is called...and we use a by-product from milk in some toothpastes to strenghten teeth...as for the disease risk, animal by-products prob would have to face stronger disease testing and are specifically harvested under very controled conditions than say, your average backyard vegie patch where mice/snails/birds etc etc (oh add more to the list if you use animal manure to fertilise) have been...

Of course this is all from memory so take with the grain of salt it prob needs :)

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Yeah what she said x

Im laughing and crying all at the same time!!

Ive only read phynna post Im not sure if I want to read the rest..

...oh and diseases generally spread much better within a species than across species, eg. you are far more likely to catch a disease from another human than from a different species of animal as diseases generally are made to infect one particular host as it is a more efficent way of surviving... BUT it does happen eg swine flu, avian flu are ones that spring to mind, and when it does it is panic stations as it indicates that it is a disease that is able to adapt/change more rapidly than other diseases and so there is reasons to be worried (although often these diseases dont then develop the ability to transfer from human to human, just from animal to human IYKWIM). It is predicted that with climate change (eg through the development of/spread of methods of transfer are estabilished eg mozzies that carry blood born diseases moving into areas that they dont currently live in), and more human/animal contact (as global populations rise and the human population lives closer with animals) more of these diseases will emerge, but in general they are few and far between when compared to the number of dieases that will be spread/and mutate through human to human contact.

Again, take with a grain of salt as I'm stretching my baby brain:wall:
FG

my thought process was the same as FG's on the reason i'd prefer animal products!

I'm almost positive that I read somewhere recently (oh to not have a placenta brain right now) that although formerly derived from pigs it is now all synthetic and causes no problems for people who for religious or other reasons don't like pig products.

As an aside - my Granny has 4 pig valves in her heart - I kind of like them - they have kept her alive another 30 years.

and yes - FG is right - until about 15 years ago all insulin for diabetics was simply refined pig insulin. And it is still available because there is a small percentage of people who can't use the snythetic type for whatever reason.

In short - don't stress

Weeeell, even if it's derived from pig semen, I don't think they're exactly 'relieving' the pigs in the back room and bringing it straight through for the inductions....

Pig valves rule!