Update: Saw the Fertility Specialist today - not so great news :(

*mainly copied from FB as I'm tired from crying :(*

My HyCoSy was delayed on Wed because I HAVE to be on a new cycle (was on CD 77). Was shattered that I went in, got admitted, and they couldn't do it. Got an internal scan anyways (any excuse to get dildo cammed :rolleyes:) Had FS app today...hmmm, what can I say? Found out DF's sperm count is fine (yay), motility is lower than average (crap)...but the bad bad bad news...only 4% are okay, the rest are abnormal :cry: Had to reallllly hold back the tears when we heard that :( Other than that, pelvic... scan on Wed showed that I had a corpus lutem (!!) so I must have O'ed in the past week or so. FF says I'm like 17 dpo but that's rubbish, so I overrode it. So I've O'ed between 7 to 2 days ago. Have a look at my chart in my sig, I reckon it was Tuesday. Doc said to wait 14 days, see if AF shows, then go in for a BhCG...and if it's neg and AF still hasn't shown, I have a script for Progesterone to get the bleeding going, and I'll have the HyCoSy after that. Sighhh. Oh, and some cysts were found on each ovary. For a young couple, we have some ****ty fert issues :( There is a chance we'll fall this cycle, I'm just praying for a miracle baby really. I know heaps of couples fall through IVF, I just don't know if I am as strong as the brave men and women that go through that :crying:

Big, big :hug: babe

You are stronger than you give yourself credit for... but you don't have to be strong all the time. Let the information settle in, cry, scream, spend time with your man...

:heartbeat:

:hugs: sorry for all the crap that your going through....

There are still so many options.... hopefully you did O and could be UTD... heres hoping !!!! :)

Oh hun what a stack of crappy news. So sorry. Sending you heaps of hugs :hug:

Big huge :hug: xxx

Awwwww hun :hug: that sure is ****ty news. I really hope that you do get yourself a little miracle bub this month :hug:

:hug: Punky
:dance: to O'ing
:wall: to TTC'ing
:loveshower: for BB and the support that comes from knowing you're not alone.
:pray: that you'll be a Mummy xx

Hon, I know this is a shock to you guys right now :hug:
It's great that you've ovulated. Late, yes, but still that's really good!
And 4% is actually not that bad. Remember he's making millions of the little guys, there's a lot of redundancy built into the system.
I'm sorry your hycosy was cancelled.

Thankyou all so much :grouphug: Your positivity really makes me feel so much better :) Amazing chickies, every one of you.

Hugs hun, sorry you have some ****ty results, but remember it only takes 1 sperm!!!

xoxo

Oh honey :( :hug: :hug:

It really puts you down when you get bad news :(

feeb is right though, it only takes 1!

lily. iam facing going through IVF from damage caused by scarred tissue and other things. you are strong enough huni....i promise you you have got alot of support here. if you want to talk pm me. lots of love and squishy hugs xxx

PZ - sorry you had such a bad day. On the plus side, there's a lot that you can try to do about sperm. First of all - Menevit. Also, if its relevant, drinking, smoking, coffee should be cut out by your DF entirely if he can or minimized. Also, he should write down a list of any supplements or pills he takes on a regular basis and bring this to your FS - you'd be surprised to find that some over the counter vitamins/supplements are not recommended when you are focused on sperm issues. Also, no hot baths for DF and no bike riding. My DH made a couple of adjustments to his lifestyle and the difference it made to sperm quality was incredible...although it does take time even for sperm - I think at least 3 months....

Big :grouphug: for you hun, what a shock all the news must have been :(

Praying that one of those little swimmers finds its way :pray:

Sorry to hear about that news. I am praying for you & your DH.

Just a side note, my gf & her DH only had a 4% chance too. They ended up doing one round of ISCI & fell pg - are due in Dec with # 1

PZ - there have been so many miracle babies I've learnt about thru BB - I just can't wait to read of yours :-)

Hugs hun!

Just wanted to say my DH had great sperm count and motility but not so good morphology only 4% normal forms like your DH SIVF said that is within normal range:o i dont know how they can say that when the world health organisation say it should be at a strict level 9% or above and 15% or above is normal westmead said low morph makes it harder to fall pregnant but not impossible anyway DH gave up coffee , coke and started taking sperm max and COQ10 and his last sperm test was perfect above 15% normal forms the FS said poor morpholoy is mainly from life stye and can be corrected.
All the best

That's awesome to hear ferrals! Fwiw, Df and I only drink once in a blue moon (last time was Cai's 30th :dance:), neither of us smoke, we drink soft drink, not a lot and not anything with caffeine, he doesn't drink coffee, wear tight undies, have spa's or baths, ride a bike or anything like that.

Depending on what grading system was used, 4% isn't necessarily terrible. Our IVF clinic considered anything at or above 2% normal morph to be normal, based on a fairly strict assessment methodology. Some labs say >15% is normal. In any event, it's normal for most sperm to abnormally formed due to the very high cell replication involved in sperm production.

If his count is good, his motility alright, and his morphology perhaps questionable, I wouldn't despair about that at all. A low count and poor motility would be more of an issue.

Get him on Menevit too. Supposed to be the balls that stuff. About $30 for a month's supply.

You'll get there chicken. Promise.

:hug: Pumpkin Zulu, Im a little curious and concerned as to why your FS would tell you that 4% is a bad number???? DH had 5% 'normal' sperm levels and that was considered pretty well normal, having anything upto 97% of abnormal sperm can often be considered 'abnormally normal', gosh, does that make sense? Considering even FS's dont even know what constitutes 'abnormal' and so may double tailed spermies have created perfectly healthy babies.
Please know that if you need to go with IVF, you will find the strength that you need because I honestly believe you will do everything in your power to hold your miracle. Miracles do happen hun, with the above odds and being told we had less then a 1% chance of ever having a baby naturally (for no good reason, I might add!), we conceived naturally after 5 years of failed IVF. That one little tiny baby is just waiting for its chance to enter your life but I really hope for you that it is really soon. :hug::hug::hug:

Lily Dust, I think it's because he's 19...should probs have perfect sperm at that age...but I'm no expert :dunno:

Slyder, mwa, thankyou. I loves me some solid numbers and facts :)

Sorry, I hope that didnt sound like an attack, it wasnt meant to :redface:. DH was 21 at the time, so pretty young too. Makes you so mad especially being soooo young. Try not to panic too much, your FS might be being a bit more pesimistic then he/she should be! As was already said he does have a heck of a lot of those little swimmers. I do hope you get your little miracle soon hun x

No, didn't sound like an attack at all :) Quite the opposite :hug:

See, now that you've cheered up a little, I can't come in and make you smile! I demand you go be sad again so I can make you happy! :p
:hug: Sorry about your poo-y results, but yay for Oing! :comfort:

Sorry to hear you've had an upsetting time with all this. But yay for O'ing! And looking at your chart.. I reckon I would put it at day 76 :)

*big hugs* to both you and DF. Got everything crossed for a miracle bub to put an end to all this testing and stress. *hugs* again.

:hug: PZ. Sounds like you have had some really good advice in here and I don't really have anything to add except to say that I am keeping everything crossed that you will be holding a miracle baby very soon. Yay for O'ing!!!

Just an update...

The reason the FS said 4% was bad was because DF has a condition called anucleated spermatozoa, which basically means that 96% of his sperm do not have heads...and seeing as the head is where the genetic makeup is, it really means that DF only has 4% sperm full stop, as the other 96% will not be able to penetrate the egg, they're essentially 'blanks'. The 4% he does have are abnormal forms (the FS said their heads were oddly shaped), and have low motility. I am on the waiting list of a laporoscopy, hysteroscopy and d&c to search for any other issues, and after that I'll be starting Clomid...FS says if I'm not preg by May next year (so by the time I'm 21) we'll start IVF.

:hug:

Just another one here who wants to say never say never ;)

While you're waiting on the Hycosy & other tests, you can definately start taking a few things to help you along :)

* Menevit.... It is AMAZING stuff (they say approx 3 months before its at its best, so start on that asap.)
* Blackmores Conception (For you).. in a pink box, my naturopath said the same as the menevit... for 3 months to kick in at their full potential :)
* Royal Jelly... There's a thread I started about it here https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...ly-107221.html Limeslice made a fabulous post full of info :D
(Obviously be careful & check if you have any bee or pollen allergies etc) - Both you & your DP can take it.
I completely 100% believe this made the difference in our last IVF cycle that gave me my beautiful DS2.
* See a naturopath/acupuncturist to see if they can help you with your cycle as well... :hooray: that you're ovulating... they may be able to help with the length of your cycle, in particular your luteal phase. My acupuncture managed to get me into a beautiful & regular 28 day cycle.

Overall, if you happen to face IVF, please know that while its not easy... its doable ;)
You have so much passion to have a baby, you can feel it in your posts... right there is all the strength you need to get you through it. You're stronger than you think ;)

Best of luck and ask, ask away if you need anything xxx

Oh PZ! I hope you do get a miracle baby! and a BFP soon.

All the pain you and your DF are going through will just mean that once your bub comes it will be extra extra extra sweet.

Huge :hug:

Just wanted to send some love your way honey, I know you are doing it tough with all of this new information.

I'm praying it's not long now until you're holding your baby in your arms xo