CM after conception?? (TMI)

Hi,
:help: Just wondering what sort of cm to expect in a successful preganancy chart. I'm definitely 9dpo and seem to have some amount of ewcm? (checked internally, sorry). I have had constant af back pain yesterday and today and I'm kind of expecting af to show within next few days. (normally i would have a blood tinge cm by now, tmi) Has anyone else experienced back pain like this in a conception cycle? also had some slight feeling of some kind on right ovary last night, (pretty sure I ovulated from this side this month). I've checked the successful conception charts on this site, they all seem to say creamy cm around this time of cycle? Had bpn this morning, to be honest, don't feel pregnant so not getting my hopes up. I have done a opk today and it has come up half as dark as control line and temps are high? Should just wait a few days but getting impatient, as you do. :doh: and besides, we are all here for support during the horrible two week wait. Any info on cm in conception cycles would be appreciated.
thanks
Lilylou

I normally get a lot of CreamyCM right around AF and normally straight after Ovulation.

I found that the months I was pregnant my CM normally was a lot denser and sometimes I even got a clump of gooey yellow creamy CM...

By the looks of things, its definate that you have ovulated due to your DPO, but getting EWCM and some ovary pains can be a sign of ovulation...

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Thanks,
I think I need to just wait for a couple of days and see what happens, no af yet, no bfp either. It's amazing that I've been getting af for so so many years now but couldn't really tell you much about cm after ovulation, I wouldn't have a clue. This is the first month I've really checked.
I think I found ewcm but I was LOOKING too hard? it seems to be just normal and unfertile. I'm definetly not ovulating as temps have skyrocketed. I shall let you know???
Tamara, I put a face to every post you make, heaps better, you guys look like you have lots of fun.
seeya
lilylou

Creamy CM was pretty much a constant thing when I was pg. One never knows. Good luck Lily!

Awwww - Lily that was nice of you to say... I am glad you can put a face to me... lol

Hello everyone! I am new here and believe it or not I am writing this from Finland. I have been reading your threads and have to apologise for my english is not my native language (as Finnish is) so not all the concepts of TTC are familiar to me.

I have this big question concerning this thread: I am trying to get pg, have been for several months already and getting a bit impatient and CM after conception really makes me wonder.. I have tried to get this answer from Finnish sites like BellyBelly but didn't get an answer. I hope you don't find this too disgusting, sorry if TMI. So here it comes: Does the taste of CM change after conception? I read an article on this site and it said that the taste and also smell of CM does change to sweeter, less bitter while ovulating. But then I've heard this rumour that you can check wheather or not you're pg by the taste of CM right after O (or your hubby can do it for you :p ). And if the taste doesn't change back to bitter after O, that is stays sweet, then there is a big change you're pg! I wonder, has anyone heard of this..? Thank you, sorry for the "yucky" question.

Janese - hello and welcome to BB and to the English language. You did quite well with your post.

I have never heard anything about CM tasting different after Conception... very interesting.

Tamara hi! And thanks, that's very kind of you.

Maybe I should ask this from the people who have succeeded to get pg.. But it is somehow a difficult question to drop: "Hey would you taste your CM so I'd get the answer..?" Sounds a bit...impudent. (It that a word, checked from the dictionary.)

But I also find this idea interesting and if it really is true can you imagine how many women it would help in that two weeks waiting agony. Bitter CM --> no pg, sweet CM --> pg! I am sure though that it could not be that simple. If it was I am sure the method would have been "found" already.

Hi Janese,
I haven't heard of this either, but i'm sure someone will post with some info on it. I have not confirmed it yet, but I think i am pregnant. but I'm sorry, the thought of tasting it would probably make me throw up . Maybe if I'm not successful this month, I will keep it in mind ?? I will have to work up to tasting it.???? LOL It will be interesting to see what info, stories we get from this.
Lilylou

Lilylou - can I peak at your chart??

Lilylou, oh it would be wonderful if you got BFP! When are you going to test?
I understand perfectly that tasting is just too much... I have thought of asking my hubby to keep a record of the taste... I'm sure he'd go :eek:

I gotta tell you, you have a very friendly atmosphere here in BB.

By the way, what does LOL mean..?

Janese,
I still don't know the lingo that I read, but i think lol means either laugh out loud or lots of love, to be honest, I don't know myself. Somebody help?
I'm sure my other half would taste it too. I have been testing but only getting very faint line after 10 minutes. Too early I guess yet
Lilylou

I am giggling!!!!
Big welcome to you Janese - I think your english is wonderful. I am glad you have found the warmth and comfort of Belly Belly. What a truly amazing world we live in when we can all connect from opposite ends of the earth!!! Warm and fuzzys all over for me.
LOL - laugh out loud. I agree that the terminology can take a while to get your head around. I used to think it was lots of love and I wonder how many times I used that inappropriately before I cottoned on!!!! Good luck with your TTC may it be short and sweet. How long have you been TTC?

Now, lets talk mucous girls....
CM definitely changes in taste and smell after conception. This is thought to be almost solely due to the increase in progesterone. As for the taste test, I am sorry but I am not even going there!!!! I believe that the taste is much less pleasant (???) after conception. So, not sure that the sweet theory pans out.

Lily - I do so hope that you get a BFP. Remember to follow the directions on the test. If you get a line within the time frame no matter how feint the test is detecting HCG. What test are you using??? I have my fingers crossed for you sweetie!

Hugs to you both xoxoxo

Oh wow Lily. I just went back and read your initial post. You got a 2 shades lighter opk???? What brand???? Do you get clear sticks at all other times of your cycle except around ovulation????
I ALWAYS get an opk like that when I am PREGNANT. I shouldn't say this and get your hopes up but this is a truly good sign!!! I'll bet my baby booties on it!!!!
Please let us know....

Hi Deb,
that was quick, so it is laugh out loud :) wasn't sure
Using pregnow, line is coming up around 10 minutes, very faint but there, its not grey, stays pink but so faint, pretty sure its a positive though. I know you have a great deal of knowledge, just posted another thead about trying for a boy. Do you know much about this?
Lilylou

Hi Tamara,
I don't have a chart but marking everything on calendar, ovulated day 14 temps starting rising day 15 and kept going up, higher than ever before which I was quite excited about, then went even higher around day 6 still well over 37 at 11dpo (normally have 10-12 lp). cm has turned creamy and white, so looking good so far.
Lilylou

Hi girls

If I get pregnant, I'll have to sort out some sort of sniff/taste test! Hmm, wonder if I can con DH into doing that at some point. Then again, would I want to? Think it may have to be a smell test. However, as eating different foods can make the taste of the mucus change (this works for spermies too, if there's a taste problem there; not that you should notice that while TTC), as well as using a new soap/shower gel in the bath, it's probably not the most reliable of tests. I think it's the urine that changes taste as well/instead: but as that can happen with various illnesses too and as it involves wee-wee then I wouldn't want to do that either.

Oh, and I love the word impudent, I've not used it for ages!

Big welcome to you too Janese - good to see another European every now and then! However, I know no Finnish (but love learning new words, so may put that on my list after learning Austrian-German); if only Lordi had sang in Finnish this year I might be a little better! Ah, well, I guess there'll be some televised Finnish next May for me.

And terminology - I still don't like AF. Aunt Flo = period. Still no real reason for that. Why not MP for menstrual period? I mean, we have LMP not LAF. Then again, I would have days after ovulation, not days post ovulation, so I could say DAO and then sing the Banana Boat Song. So maybe I'm not acronym-girl, and that's a good thing.

Luck to both Lily and Janese: I hope you get your BFPs soon!

Deb,
I normally only test around ovuation time with opks but had heard they can detect early pregnancy (also heard they can predict AF so wasn't getting too excited). Normally don't get lines until I'm close to ovulating and a couple of days after, then it dwindles off (using ovunow which don't really ever give me a strong positive).
Lilylou

Ryn-frog
Thanks for your good wishes, I can't keep up with some of the abbreviations, sometimes i read things and don't really know what they mean, then I use the abbreviations myself and just hope I've used them right? We should make up some new ones and give everyone a hard time???? only joking
Lilylou

Hi Ryn-Frog,
I agree let's make a stand why AF???? Also why BD - baby dance??? It's kinda cute but I like to think I make love to my husband some times especially when ttc I just do the deed I have to fess up. However ML sounds more 'me' than bd.... Anyway I could go on and on and I often do!!!!

I believe that there is a theory that if you make love at or on ovulation you are more likely to conceive a boy. The theory is that very basically the sperm that will make a boy baby are faster to swim but quicker to burn out (mmm now that rings true for all ages of the species I would argue...). "Girl sperm"have more stamina so if you make love up to just before conception your chances of conceiving a female are higher. Many ob's argue that they see evidence of this. There is a higher incidence of male conceptions with ivf and in fact assisted conceptions.
Certain sex conceptions seem to sometimes run in families. I don't know if this can be scientifically tested (Ryn may be able to help here). However I have seen and also personally experienced within my own circle of friends and family certain couples conceiving one sex. Interestingly pilots have a higher incidence of girls thought to be caused by the altitude - I do remember reading why but can't remember the answer at this late time of night sorry... Sportsmen have a higher incidence of girls also.
So, basically according to the theory you make love frequently on and around ovulation for a male and up to but not on ovulation for a girl.
Personally I have tested the thoery and for me it wasn't a happening thing!

It worked for my son but I then tried to conceive a boy and was blessed with dd2. I wouldn't have it any other way however it was one of those if I can sway the odds I will things... Now, with using opk's I only dtd on and at ovulation and my last Angel was a boy. I am doing the same now in ttc again so I am hoping in less than 12 months I can fill you in on the boy/girl scenario.

Lily do you normally get such a dark line on your opk if you are not near to ovulation???
Hugs xoxoxoxox

Sorry Lily something is happening with how I receive messages and I only just read your message re the opk.

I would just like to say that opk's being able to detect your MP isn't correct.
Basically LH and HCG are very very similar in their chemical make up. LH strips will and do detect hcg and LH. However they cannot detect AF. LH strips shouldn't be used to confirm pregnancy but they most certainly can indicate that conception may have occured. They help to satiate the irrepressible desire some of us have to poas!!! It also helps to kill a bit of time in the tww!!!!

I have had indication of pregnancy as early as 8dpo using opk's. Of course I had to wait to confirm with a hcg test but it was right. You will normally see a pattern of the strip getting darker albiet slightly each day until finally you reach a positive opk. Please remember though LH strips cannot be used to definitively diagnose pregnancy but on a woman who regularly has no second line except around ovulation and then goes back to clear sticks it would make me very suspicious of pregnancy. Remember too that pregnancy tests ONLY detect pregnancy and do not detect the LH surge.

Hi Deb
Thanks for that info, I do agree with you, I think certian people produce same sex for reasons. I sometimes think that I am a girl producer, I have around 5 days of very good ewcm, i'm starting to think that alot of the sperm survives in this environment for a long period, probably mainly the girl sperm. Maybe the girls favour this type of cm that I produce. The boys sperm may not like my conditions and die off quickly? Perhaps this is why I haven't fallen pregnant in the past because we are only trying around ovulation, conditions not so good by then? This time we 'did it' (sorry , I now don't know what to put it for this after previous posts) a few days earlier as well, maybe if i am pregnant, this is why, sperm survived from the earlier BD rather than the ones closer too. (I have also noticed my cm changes just prior to ovulation to watery, maybe hubbys little swimmers don't like it) I don't know whether this is coming out right but i hope you understand what i am saying. The funny thing is, i come from an 'all boy family' my partner has only a brother, so I was always convinced i would have boys. Whatever happens, the most important is a healthy baby at the end of the day
Lilylou

Deb,
I have been getting opk lines from roughly day 8 but did read somewhere that they can detect Af as well? What I thought from this was, we must get a surge of lh prior to period. Obviously we don't. That's interesting.
Lilylou

And I wish you just that a healthy baby to hold in your arms....
Nighty night I am off to bed...

Something really is wrong with my messages....

No, you don't get another LH surge prior to your period.
However you must keep in mind that we always have lh in our system. Men do too. So that is why the LH strips aren't an accurate way of detecting pregnancy. It is possible that they just show a second line because we happen to have a bit more lh floating around for whatever reason: possibly because it's been a while since we've done a wee and the urine is concentrated... But you certainly don't get another surge prior to menstruation.
Good luck and I look forward to hearing of a darker hcg soon.

Deb
Thanks for all your help, me too going to bed
goodnight
Lilylou

I do know the answer about the sportsmen - basically, men in "high testosterone" jobs, like competitive sport, are more likely to have girls. I think it's because they make so much testosterone to do that and that makes their little Y-chromosomes not quite up to the job. The girly Xs can resist all that manly testosterone swilling around in there.

High testosterone women are more likely to have boys, low testosterone women girls (this is due to how hospitible the uterus is to the sperm). Hmm, looking at my blood tests that means I'm more likely to have boys. I think this is why some women seem to have only boys and others only girls, but lots of couples have a mix.

For non-stressy men, I don't think there's a big difference in the boy:girl ratio.

As for certain sex conceptions running in families: well, I'm the daughter of a daughter of a daughter of a daughter, and so back until the days of Eve; my husband is the son of a son of a son of a son (until the days of Adam) so I wonder what we'll have!

Also, let us not forget our statistics: there is a 1:2 chance of every child being a girl and a 1:2 chance of every child being a boy. If your first child is a girl, the chance of your next child being a girl is still 1:2 - just because you already got one, doesn't mean you will get something different next time. It's like flipping a coin twice: some people will get two tails, some two heads, others a head and a tail.

So the chance of having three boys is 1:8, but if you already have two boys your chance is 1:2 - assuming no other sperm-selection is used. Oh, I love probability!

Thanks Ryn-Frog,
Well said!
I would just like to add an aside to my post of late last night. I have just re-read it and it could be a bit misleading. I have said that you can't have an LH surge prior to menstruation. What I mean here is that if you have alreadydetected a surge in that cycle you will not surge again prior to menstruation... Some women with luteal phase defects will surge just prior to menstruation because their luteal phase is so short. I hope this makes sense...
Good luck Lily!

Thank you all so much for welcoming me! I promise I will let you know if I'll get BFP (and if IT starts to taste sweet) in case I am just "passing by" here.. It still is somewhat easier to talk about TTC in your own language..

Flowerchild: I've been TTC for almost a year now, appr 8 months. I start to get a bit anxious. I'll have the SSG done in September. Hoping the tubes are open!

WOW! So taste and smell of CM does change after conception - thank you! - but not necessarily to sweet. Hmm, really interesting. And I believe it too. There should be a study done about this.

Ryan-Frog: Good idea the sniff/taste test. They should sell 'em, I'd buy! :)
Ok, here is a quick Finnish lesson for you:

CM = valkovuoto
sweet = makea
PG = raskaana
BFP = positiivinen raskaustesti

Lordi is one of the most eligible bachelors in Finland nowadays - even though he's not single and his costume has started to smell 'cause he can't wash it.. Now they are making a new jacket for him for convenience to people around him. :D

Good luck lilylou and everyone here in BB! Really, ones again, you got a nice thing going on here. :hug:

Thanks Janese,
I really hope that this month is your month as well :pray: and can't wait to find out the results of your little 'taste test'. You may be on to something huge here. Imagine if we could find out earlier whether we were pregnant or not. You would save so much annoying time during the ttw :p
I will let you know tomorrow of my results :)
:hug:
Lilylou