Help! Possible breech bub at 36 1/2 wks and trace protiens in urine...?

Ok so I just had my weekly antenatal appt with my GP and he's told me that I have trace protein in my urine which I also had last week and also that bub is possibly breech or at least transverse. Bub must have only recently turned into this position because all movement I was feeling yesterday and even this morning I think (though I hadn't taken alot of notice) was indicating he was still head down, which is where he has been for at least 4ish weeks. Though taking notice of movements since I went to the docs, I can tell he's moved, though I would have assumed he was posterior or towards my right side, rather than my left. So what I would like to know is...
What are the implications of the trace protien in my urine? I knwo one is pre eclampsia, and I am aware of some of the symptoms (pitting odeoma, headaches, dizzyness) I do have swelling in my hands and feet, though nothing unusual for me, I have had it in each pg previously and nothing came of it and it gets worse in hot weather and it has and will be really hot here for the next fwe days/weeks. Is there other things I should look for?
And what can I do about baby being breech? I am almost 37wks pg, so I am a bit worried he won't turn back if he is breech.
Another of my issues is that I am in a remote community with no maternity section in our little hospy. The GP told me there are two midwives here which is great considering nothing goes worng with me or bub, but if I need to go to a bigger hospy, I would be airlifted to Dubbo (3hr drive away), or even Sydney depending on the issues.
I think I am just worrying over nothing, but I am starting to get anxious about birth. We will be going to Sydney in a week (next Sunday) for me to give birth there (my family is there and i had my other children at the same hospy I will birth in, all going to plan!). But with bubs so close to coming and me starting to have a little pre labour, I am getting antsy!!

I don't know about the urine stuff lovely, but you definitely still have time for baby to turn. Look at the spinning babies site, some of the stuff on there worked for me when Eden was breech.

Not sure on the protein, sorry I can't ease your mind there :hug: Just be aware of how you are feeling and your body and ring if something doesn't feel right.
I had a friend used Moxa sticks successfully to turn baby. Another thing is do you have a Chiro or Osteo with experience in turning a baby in your nearest town?
I have read a few birth stories here on BB with women birthing breach babies, and only recently went to birthday party where a mum birthed her breach baby with no complications.

Thanks ladies.

I had a look at the spinning babies and some other sites about turning breech bubs. I am totally confused as to what positions bubs is in. I have tried to have a feel and see for myself. I am not totally convinced he's breech. I wish I could go to a mdwife or OB and have them check!! (Ahh, the joys of remote living!) I can do some of the things to try to turn bub, and even if he isn't breech, it won't hurt to do any of it anyway. Except for the heart burn/reflux, but hey I can deal with that!
I am just really worried about a C/S being pushed onto me. I am terrified of having one, plus after bubs is born, we need to travel back home...9hours in a car with a newborn and two children after a C/S...well I seriously doubt that will be very pleasant!! Even with DH with me. In a way I think it's probably a good thing I won't be going to the antenatal clinic at the hospital until I'm 38wks for my next check up...then they can't pressure me for that long, lol! Plus it gives bub time to get into the right spot. But it worries me too that I am only being checked by a GP who isn't necessarily an 'expert' in all things pg and baby related....my god I'm going to send myself batty!

Urgh that must be awful. Have you felt down low in your pelvis? My midwife showed DH how to check if the head was down, feel around for something hard, and then try to flick it between your fingers which were spread apart about 10ish-cms. Apparently butts don't flick back and forth like heads do?

Trace protein is pretty much meaningless...or so my Dr said at my last clinic appointment. I've had it all through both pregnancies.

Mel, I have tried to feel the head like that. But I just can't get hold of it properly. Maybe that means it's not the head...I just think it means I'm fat and my arms are short and I can't reach it, lol! I read that the head will be like you say hard and move from side to side easily, and the butt would be soft and squidgy and not move so freely. I will get DH to try to see what he can feel tomorrow.

I have just been laying on the lounge with my butt on pillows. Not terribly comfy, 'specially with my back/hips being dodgy and I have really terrible heart burn now...but I'd rather endure some discomfort now than have a C/S. I'm so terrified of having one.

angela, thanks hun. I have read it could just be my body working that bit harder than normal cause I'm pg. I'm hoping that's it and I'm being a total hypochondriac. My GP was very dismissive of it too. I was just worried since I've had it for 2 weeks, plus I have swollen feet. But the swellings not unusual for me.

The trace of protein is nothing as Angela said, many women will have a trace their whole pregnancy.
You would not get sent for a C/S unless it was confirmed bub was breech. Is the an ultrasound machine in cooee of you? It can be hard to tell the difference between the head and the bottom in late pregnancy.
I hope it all goes as you have planned. Look forward to you BA

Kell can you ring the local hossy tomorrow and see if you can get in touch with one of the middies that works there? They might have a feel for you.
:hug:

PS was going to post your parcel in the next couple of days....I won't send it home cos you won't get it but do you want me to send it to DH's work or your mums?

I thought of that Kim. They might, I don't see why they wouldn't, I don't think they're terribly busy out here! But the hospy is a bit far away, and we have no car and it's going to be 35++degrees for the next few days, so I couldn't walk there! Not that I probably would anyway at this stage, lol!

As for the parcel, we aren't leaving here til the 9th Jan (yep we're pushing it!!), so it would likely get here I think. DH said it's usually no more than 4 days for post...though from your remote area to mine, not so sure, lol! You can send it to mums if you'd prefer. I will PM the addy for you. And thanks again hun, I appreciate it!

I had another feel around when in bed, and I think the doc is right...I can feel bubs head up just under my left side ribs and I think his butt is in my right side hip. So uncomfy right now. I am going to lay with my hips up soon, just waiting for breaky to settle a bit more...Swimming is supposed to help too, though DH is working alot for the next few days/nights before he goes on leave, so I can't really swim with two kids haging off me, and it's the perfect weather to go to the pools too...:( ah well! Will just try the other exercises on the spining babies and other sites.

thats how my monkey is sitting atm too hun, sooo uncomfortable, cant really help, im doing inversions and booking in for an acupuncture session in the next few weeks. swimmimg is ment to be helpful becuse its relaxing. wish i could be more helpful

Unfortunately no experienced practioners of chiro/osteo/accupuncture in regards to pg out here. Plus, I just can't afford that expense either. I can get an U/S (I think the U/S guy would still be working, tho he might be on holidays, he only attends the practice every once every 2wks...another joy of remote living!!) If bubs is still breech when we get to Sydney, I might see if I can get into some chiro or accupuncture, depending on our funds! Will also speak to the midwives at the hospy I will birth in and ask about ECV. But hopefully by then I will have been able to get bub to turn myself. My mum has a pool and we are staying with her in Sydney, so when we get to Sydney, swimming will be a breeze to do, as will handstands in the pool, lol! Well, maybe not a breeze physically...I can just imagine the sight of a 38wk+ pg woman doing handstands in the pool, hahahaha!! At least it will bein the privacy of mums yard, hehe! I'm not adverse tot rying a breech birth either. But I'm just worried the OB's and midwives will try to pressure me into a C/S for their convenience. Plus, depending on the type of breech...well, I wouldn't do anything risky just because of my fear of surgery. I just want to do what I can now, at least I can say that I did everything to prevent it!

lilias depending on which hospital you are going to, we recently lost a fantastic doctor up here in Newcastle. He has gone to Royal Womens in Sydney and he is pro breech birth. Dr Andrew Bisits is his name and he is the loveliest doctor you could ever hope to have. My DS2 was breech or transverse for ever so long but he did eventually go head down and I was induced to make sure he stayed there lol. Fingers crossed for you hun that everything goes well.

:hug: Kel. I hope bubs moves for you. Sounds like he still has space to move around if he's switching positions, so there's no reason he couldn't move back to where you want him. GL!

I have had 3 breach bubs right up to 38/39 weeks.. and they all did turn!

At that angle it sounds like bub could be on the way to transverse, and then head down..... hopefully!!! :pray:

One thing you could try is frozen veg bags.... alternate between putting it where bubs head is and where bubs butt is.... it seems bub is heading down the left side, so put the cold pack against the right side of bubs head, to encourage him to move further to the left... bubs butt is coming up the right, so put the frozen pack on bubs left side of his butt, to keep him coming up the right side.....
Bub will usually move away from the cold... doing this while in a sloping possy will help too.....
I hope that made sense, I know what I mean.... :shakehead:

I did half handstands in the shower to get Eden to turn, and it worked - so you could try that. its free and its not that hard to do (like you put your hands on the ground with your butt in the air and feet on the ground and hope to god nobody walks in with you like that.. LOL)

Hehe, I know what you mean PB! Plus it's hot hot hot here over the nest few days...looks like I will be using some of the frozen veg up, lol!

Well, now I think I feel him hiccupping down on my left hip.....I thought I felt leg-ish type movements on my right side this morning but wasn't sure cause I was half asleep.....This kids is already making me crazy!!! Arrghhh!!!

Wow Kellie!! Your situation is giving me serious goosebumps!! Good luck with everything, I will be thinking of you and hoping you get the birth that you want.
Hiccups down on your hips sounds very positive!

lilias if your in Dubbo anytime soon why don't you pop into the labour ward there and get a scan done for piece of mind! They have a mobile one which most midwives are skilled in using. To my Knowledge Cobar actually doesn't have a midwife (they have a child and family health nurse who isn't a midwife and 1 retired midwife who probably hasn't seen a baby born in 30years the rest are all RN's) If bub does decide to come and your not able to make it out of town then don't worry. Your body can do this and will do it the way its suppose to and cnaces are bub will come out head first.

The protein I wouldn't worry about. In small amounts its quite normal especially if its not on the increase and not accompanied by other signs of pre-eclampsia.

Thanks Mildez! You know the area well!! I won't be in Dubbo anytime soon, well not until I am on my way to Sydney anyway (on the 9/1/11), and if we're going to be going to Sydney, I will just have things done there.
My GP told me there were midwives at the hossy, tho I wouldn't be surprised if he was wrong. I'm not too worried if I go into labour here. I know I can go to the hossy, and my births are usually very straight forward. I figure a normal doctor and nurse can handle a straight forward birth. I am just worried about a breech birth. Obviously if bub were still breech, I would much prefer to be in a hossy where there are OB's and midwives who are experienced in it all. But then, I don't know if there are docotrs or nurses at the hospital where I will be birthing who would do a breech birth any way! I would be willing to try to do it, I'd prefer a breech birth much more so than have a C/S (Can anyone say irrational fears??!!).

But on the upside, I'm pretty sure bubs has moved...where to I'm totally not sure but his head seems to be no longer in my ribs. And I'm pretty sure the movements I am feeling in the top, front of my belly are feet or knees.....there seems to be two of them moving in different ways at the same time, lol! I think he might be posterior with his head down near my left hip...maybe! I will continue to do the exercises and body positioning though, I might go and lay on my tummy in our (waaayyy too small for my huge butt) bath!

Thankyou everyone for your experiences, suggestions and support. It is helping me in my time of freaking out!!!

My DH is from Cobar but we don't live there. Lillian Brady (who my DH knows very well) has tried to recruit me to Cobar to assist with birthing services as apparently there are no practicing midwives there at this time.

Yes the Drs there and nurses would be able to catch if bub is born there. I'm sure thats all that would need to be done and you would birth beautifully where ever you are and they would have any equipment that is needed not that it should be. In saying all this bubba will probably stay put and you can deliver in Sydney as planned.

Thanks Mildez! I am hoping baby stays put! And if you ever do decide to make the trek out here to the sticks, I will be around and you're more than welcome to visit ;)

Well I had my antenatal appt today, and doc said bubs HAS turned back again. YAY!!! All of my reflux-inducing, gravity defying hip inclining did the trick, lol! He also said babys head is well down in the pelvis, though not yet engaged....and he's posterior! But I can cope with all of that. He will turn, and if not, at least he's head down. I'm just hoping he doesn't decide it was fun being the right way up....little devil!

keeping everything crossed the little monkey stays head down hun!

Lilias glad to hear he is head down again. I am heading out there next in April when I expect my bub will be all of a few days/weeks old at most. Would love to meet if your still there. Poor DH hasn't been able to drag me out there since we found out I have a placenta problem and I just can't go knowing Dubbo is the closest delivering hospital that has blood available (as they expect me to bleed way to well when the placenta comes away (if it does). Our bub is also getting Baptised there also but I don't know when.
Not long now until you head off. Hope the trip treats you all well.