But I want a waterbirth!!! *stamps foot*

It's really hard to find information about the local hospitals around here. This is increasing the anxiety I feel. I want a waterbirth. I don't think I'll get one. According to the information I've found so far, the only place I can do that is at home (can't afford the MW) or in the GC birth centre. But, because of the total shambles of a birth first time at GCH in Southport, and the butchery of my uterus... ok, it was a c/s but whatever, I'm angry right now. I don't qualify for the BC. Because I'm damaged goods right?

GAH! I hate hospitals. I haven't even met the person who will deliver my baby and I already want to punch them. Why is it so hard for a woman to get the type of birth she wants? I'm not asking that much!!!!!

EFF the system. Hate it. Up yours, hospitals.

/rant.

This is not good :( Firstly, because you're not 'allowed' to birth in the BC (ridiculous IMO, like you said, way to treat VBACs like damaged goods! They're not.) but secondly, because of the attitude you already have going into this birth. You need a team you know and trust around you, not people who you will constantly have to battle against. I would try to exhaust all possibilities for having an IM (whether it be at home or in a hospital) before giving up on that. You need an advocate for you, continuity of care and support. Whether it be through a loan, the baby bonus, whatever. Attitude is so important going into any birth, but especially in a situation where there has been such horrible trauma. You deserve a good birth, and if that's a waterbirth for you, then don't compromise on it :hug:

Agreed 100%, and I can totally relate to everything you feel. I tried to get into the Royal Brisbane BC but because of the c/s I can't. Absolutely sucks, especially since it's attached to a tertiary hospital so I can't understand their problem!!! And my local don't do water births. Home birth is out of the question for us too - we considered it at one point but now I have GD and am on insulin the midwives aren't comfortable doing a homebirth. And I can't justify the costs of an IM in a hospital birth, especially where the hospital is already hostile towards the midwife I would choose.

Understand 100%. My second birth was a bit of a mess. Didn't end up having a c section but lost a lot of blood, had to have a blood transfusion, big baby, yadda yadda and now I feel like I have no birth choices. Can't get back into group practice and seem to hitting a wall every way I turn. I'm finding it all very frustrating.

*hugs*
I was only talking the other day to a chick who is looking at her options for where to give birth to her 2nd child. and well...there are no options. where we live it is 'go ot the base hosptial' (which we all know how i feel about there...and im not the only one I have since found out) or 'spend over $10,000 to go to the private hosptial'. that is all. we only have 1 private midwife who will come to our area, and she is spread so thin that she no longer offers home antenatal appointments, you have to go her (and she lives 300km away) and cant guarentee she will even make it intime for your birth. and this is for someone who isn't attempting a VBAC.
add on all that other crap about 'damaged goods' (BS if you ask me), and there are no options. =( it really sucks balls. how did we in a modern developed 1st world come to this crap.

...ok i think i may have vented my own stuff there...sorry. but I so know where you are coming from and i agree.

I too can't justify (or afford) the expense of an IM. I will have PPL, but that money is to keep us going and pay our bills while I'm off work. Not just to get the baby out. I wish things were simpler, but they aren't. I can't get a loan, my credit is terrible. Bit off more than I could chew, blah blah blah.. you know how it is. Even if I could get a loan, I just can't add in the extra repayments on top of everything else.

But that's okay. I'm not looking for a fancy expensive birth experience. Just one where nobody is traumatized, or stalked by the reaper. Apparently Tweed Hospital is very pro VBAC, so if I can't have a waterbirth..... I'll hunker down in the shower lol. I have to be willing to compromise, or I'll end up just as shattered as last time. I have no real plans other than to come out the other end unscathed, physically and emotionally.

But dang, I really wanted a waterbirth. If I'm lucky, I can just hang out in the bathtub at home for a long long time. :) Gotta be positive I guess, I was SO angry and frustrated this afternoon thinking about it all, but all of your replies and support really help.

Oh and TT40, and anyone else who wants to- vent away! I love a good vent, personally. It helps me to hear that others feel the same.

Bring on this VBAC. I'll do it. And I'll do it with my usual pizzaz. Thanks to women like you!

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oh darling my heart is breaking for you. Wy not get a doula? At least having someone else independantto the hospital on your side will be a bonus!

The John Flynn hospital is private isn't? I think they water birth don't they?

Pm me if you want to chat xxx

I don't have private health. I think I just need to come to terms with the fact that this option is out! Unless I miraculously find a huge sum of cash........ anyone? :) As for the doula, I've got a wonderful BBer on my side and ready to fly up to be here for the month surrounding my EDD. Can't really ask for much more in that respect. Guess I'll just have to have faith and cross my fingers.

I"m annoyed that my options are so limited, but I have to deal with things as they are and not waste time and energy dwelling on what I wish I could have. That'll just upset me more. It sure does feel good to vent though, and even better that you ladies understand and are there to offer hugs, even if they are from afar!

That's great you ha e a support person.

Its disgraceful that we don't have options on how we birth here in this modern world.

Good luck Hun xx

Sorry to hear that this Forshelby :( It does suck.

So much for the much lauded 'birth choices' in obstetrics = labour on the bed or a beanbag (the latter only if you are lucky and dont need constant monitoring or IVs...*said very tongue in cheek here*).

Unfortunately, the only way that you could even get close to the waterbirth you want is with an IM at home. I am really sorry that it isnt an option for you :( I would still hesitate and say that it *could* be worth checking out, especially as more and more IMs are able to access the medicare rebate system and this is almost halving the costs involved...and ya never know, you could be like me and be winning Tuesday's lotto (that's mah plan for the week :lol:).

Are you seeing someone for the birth trauma stuff? I found it really beneficial when i was pg with DD2 as i could bounce off my experiences in checking out the new hospitals etc with her and gauge my reactions and ensure that we were heading in the right direction (i have a tendency to wilt and smile through most hospital appts/tours etc and then find it hard to know if the experience was actually ok, or if it was actually demeaning ITMS).

Going to Tweed Hospital can be the right road, you can claim this next birth back, see it as a positive challenge and begin the preparations for this new, empowered road xx I know you can do it :hug:

I've actually heard really great things about Tweed hun :hug:

:-( I'm sorry your birth choices are so limited. I looked into a BC for this pg but due to my c-sect I can't go there so my choices were somewhat limited, although we have private health insurance which opened up a few more options.

I don't know anything about Tweed Heads but I'd go down, check it out and chat to some of the midwvies there. You'll get a good sense of what they are like, particularly if you just show up - they can't 'stage' anything IYKWIM? Try to make an appt to chat to someone there. Most hospitals offer some sort of counselling service once you are booked in to the hospital. I know I had some anxiety issues (around bf) from last time that surfaced when I booked in & they gave me the phone number straight up for counselling.

I think it is awesome that you have a Doula/support person. Have you considered some cheaper options such as hypnobirthing CD, yoga practice via DVD? They can really help with your breathing & remaining calm during the labour & birth process. I am due in a couple of weeks & happy to post the hypnobirthing CD to you, so you don't have to buy it.

Also, when in labour I'd hang in the shower/bath as much too - that is what I am intending on doing or I have heard bouncing on a fit ball of walking up & down stairs aids bubs to move down into the birth canal a little quicker & easier - I'll try anything to get my VBAC....!

((hugs)) hun.

Thanks Cassius, no I'm not seeing anyone about that. I figure I'll talk with my MWs when the time comes to book in etc, and make my anxieties and wants and needs clear from there forwards. I honestly am not game to try for a homebirth.... and DP is not comfortable with that at all. I'm okay with being in a hospital, I just need to be sure my caregivers will do just that- care!

Indadhanu - I've heard good things about Tweed, too. Then again I heard good things about GCH last time... :rolleyes: Guess I have to take a gamble no matter what I choose. GCH is definitely out now though. Robina is still a possibility but Tweed will be closest to our new house. We move next week....... argh! Better to do it now than before I'm too big and slow lol.

RhiChiChi - I like the idea of just showing up. I think I might do that! I did read a hypnobirthing book last time except most of it was completely inapplicable once the synto was started. Bit hard to breathe and visualise when your MW is running around like an idiot and frequently tripping over your IV nearly ripping it out of your hand.... lol. At least I can chuckle about it now, although at the time I was mad! DP even yelled at her a few times. I'll let you know if I'll be needing the hypnobirthing CD, I'll give it some thought. Guess I can't rule anything out that might be helpful, especially if it's free lol. Last time around I tried the fit ball.... except my MW kept getting in the way and telling me I was going to fall, move this way, do that.. god she needed a slap! This time will be different though because I won't be listening to annoying MWs. They'll be shown the exit if I get a repeat performance! I had to laugh thinking of using the stairs. Before I was induced with DS I spent an hour running up and down the hospital stairs. And I mean running. With DP behind me saying GO GO GO! Don't slow down! Hurry up! lol....... passers by had a good giggle about it. I can see myself doing that again. There are some stairs at work I have to use every day so towards the end I might make a habit of going up and down a few times before I start. That'll be amusing for onlookers!

Once again, thanks everyone for your support. I feel better each time I read another reply. It does suck having limited options but it's a huge help to have such support and understanding.

you know we are all here behind you and even though we wont be there in person but we will all be screaming Go! Go! Go! through the computer screen!

I did a quick search on google about tweed hossy and this very interesting article came up...there's gotta be a reason why people are choosing to cross the border to get to tweed!

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...ivery/1080889/

sounds promising!

there is an ob at GCH who is very pro vbac and has hugely increased the vbac rates in the lat 2years, i think water birth is very newly available in all birth suited not just birth centr, just checking if its available for vbac...sorry hate the label...you're a woman having a baby to me!

Oh so currently available in all birth suites as long as there is a water birth trained midwife on shift at the time, however, looks like it might not be available to women havign a vbac telemetry ctg is available, which is the water proof and wireless ctg if you are going to have/agree to/choose to have continuous monitoring. I couldnt recommend having a student midwife any more strongly. I am a student mid myself and have twins a year ago...huge fight to have a completely intervention free completely natural birth and having another student follow me through was amazing, great to get some continuity of care and have someone doing a lot of your care who has been there the whole way and will support every decision you make. Just pm me if you are interested and i can get you in contact with students there

I can't go to GCH again. Not now that the new hospital has been delayed.... I can't go back into that building. Not to have another baby anyway.

I wasn't and am not able to have a waterbirth at my local hosptial because of my size, which is fair enough as I understand they have the safety of the MWs and me to consider. (Mind you even if I was under the weight limit no way was my 50kg tiny MW going to have a chance of moving me at the weight limit). But put your mind to how you can still use water in your birth:
Bath at home for as long as you are comfortable - get a bath pillow or two ready as well.
Ask the MW to use a warm compress on your bits during pushingi
Bring stuff to make the shower as comfortable as possible. My MWs suggested 2 squares of foam to kneel on or something foam to rest your head and arms on. And suprisingly, my current MWs are happy for me to even deliver in the shower!

I know it must be frustrating but try to focus your energy on things you can control and change and making this birth as positive as you can!

Thanks Bloom. All strategies I plan to employ! :) I might actually enjoy the shower moreso than being immersed. I guess they can't stop me delivering in the shower if that's what I choose, right?

Sure can, shower is a very normal place to birth!!

Birth in the shower is totally ok! Usually though the placenta can take a bit to arrive (if you are planning a physiological third stage with delayed cord clamping) so good idea to eventually waddle over with baby to the warm bed and wait there for it to arrive :)

One thing that people do that want to try to recreate the waterbirth or experience it if they couldnt (or even if they did and wanted to do it all over again!!) is, when you come home with baby, to do it then. a nice warm deep bath (if it were me i'd look into getting or hiring a birth pool), pop on the candles, darken the room and add some lovely essential oils and, as a family, have a nice bonding time in the warmth. there are a few BB members that have done this!

I remember asking the midwife on a hospital tour at my private hosp could I have a water birth in their baths. She said no as the baths aren't set up for it (as in only one side of the bath accessible to the midwife) however, she said if you don't call us till your giving birth in the bath then thats where you will have your baby - and a few babies have been born in the baths there as thats what happened!!

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I remember asking the midwife on a hospital tour at my private hosp could I have a water birth in their baths. She said no as the baths aren't set up for it (as in only one side of the bath accessible to the midwife) however, she said if you don't call us till your giving birth in the bath then thats where you will have your baby - and a few babies have been born in the baths there as thats what happened!!

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At the hospital where I birth, they pull the plug in this situation. So good if it works, but not really worthy as a plan.

You could just sit on the plug or have hubby stand on it :-)

...or bring in a roll of gaffa tape...be nice to see 'em try to pry that off ;)

Ahh you girls always know how to make me smile when stuff feels like it sucks!

Cassius - the idea of the waterbirth recreation is nice and all, but definitely not practical. DP would have a seizure if I told him I wanted to hire a birth pool to um.. not birth in LOL. The bath might be nice though when we get home. With any luck I'll get plenty of bonding after birth no matter how and where it happens. Nobody is separating me from my baby again, no matter what. I don't care if I have another c/s and have to be stuck in the OR for hours. Baby can have one hell of a BF while I drift in and out of consciousness.

Now that sounds like a plan!

Love the plan forshelby!!! You've just make me lol and Dp just looked as if to say wth???!! Iv woke him up laughing oops x

Does the hospital you will be going to have baths at all? The private hospital where I had DS didn't allow water births, but they did have baths you could labour in. For me, that is the best part. (I went public with DD and actually had a water birth, and for me it wasn't all it's cracked up to be. I LOVE labouring in the bath, but next time round I think I'll get out of the bath for the actual birth - if I can!) So anyway, if they have baths you can labour in, that might be a good compromise.