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I am looking for a new butter for sandwiches and toast. We use hard, I unsalted butter for cooking, but it doesn't spread (even in the butter keeper), especially with DS wielding the knife. It needs to be spreadable, unsalted (or at least low salt) and not full of chemicals (ie margarine) or canola oil. Ideas?
We use either Western Star or Lurpak, I prefer the taste of Lurpak. If I'm making lots of say sandwiches I'll use Aldi's Beautifully Butterfly or whatever it is lol
We use western star it lives on the bench though. Will spread from the fridge but its a bit difficult
Western star its fine out of the fridge apart from super cold mornings.
Devondale here. It has its moments where is can be quite hard, when that is the case I just cut of a bit and soften in the microwave (30% power)
The Aldi brand I like the best
Is that the Western Star in the tub? Or the block?
No Aldi here in WA :(
I use the tub. :)
I buy grassfed butter, so either Wesgold or Woolworths homebrand.
How do you know which is grassfed? I watch the local cows, whose milk goes to the nearby factories and they are all eating grass. (well sometimes they eat specially planted turnip crops)
There are forums that dedicate threads and threads about it. Seriously! Most farmers supplement feed with grain (esp. During milking). I think allowrie is the other one (other than maybe small farmdoor dairy brands) that is from 100% grassfed cows.
So just because they get some supplement at the time of milking, the butter is not good enough? Well wouldn't you have to apply that some logic to all dairy products, like milk, cream and cheese?
I love the President butter with extra seasalt. Mmmmm salty goodness.
If it's spreadable it's probably got vegetable oil in it...
Yep, you're meant to...and meat.:
Eta - by "meant to", I mean according to grassfed dairy/meat advocates.
I just use Coles or woollies home brand and leave it out on the bench in a covered dish. It never goes in the fridge.
N2L, buy NZ made :) Grain feeding is a very rare practice in NZ - most farmers cut hay/silage for winter feed. That is why our diary products taste much better than the Australian ones (my opinion, not trying to pick a fight lol).
As for the actual thread, I would just buy anything and leave it in the cupboard. Only takes a couple of seconds to microwave it if it does go hard.
Arte, I do :p:
Just don't tell my fellow Australians :hide:
Silage over winter is pretty common down this way.
I get the whole 100% grass fed, but really we are not the US, the proportion of grain use in dairy would be pretty low. Can't say that for their love of vehicle parts, many a farmer loses atv seats to cows ;)
I suspect "grassfed" will become more of a selling point and more dairy producers will get on board.
I buy NZ Mainland Buttersoft. It doesn't contain vegetable oil. Spreads fine if not really cold. We leave it on the bench. I get the un salted variety, because of DP's blood pressure issues we need an I salted version.
In the summer, I'll be buying Elgaar's organic butter. They don't make it over the winter but if it's anywhere near as good as their other dairy products, I can't wait. I would prefer to support a dairy farm that avoids some of the practices I don't think are kind to animals and we don't have any locally (that I know of).
Why does it say on butter to refrigerate it if it can be kept in the cupboard? This would save me a lot of hard butter issues and having to zap it when I want to spread it.
I use lurpak. I love the taste an it doesn't seem to have the "rancid" flavor other butters have.
I use the flying stuff ;)
I am with N2L on this one... westgold- leave it in the pantry covered. I did butter research too N2L I couldn't believe the amount of threads written on the best butters. luckily I had already been using westgold before I read the threads!! I would like to buy organic( too exy with 6 people eating it), but even then they can be grain fed! Apparently any dairy product from NZ is more likely to be grass fed... (sorry Not the point of this thread!!)
Westgold.... yummy!!! And cheaper then other butters too!
Wow, I feel like a butter Luddite, lol! I didn't realise there was so much to learn. Not sure that butter on the bench in a 40 degree Perth Summer is safe, but...
Grassfed vs grainfed...didn't even know there was an option, will have to research the why's of this...
Jen - any 'soft' butter that doesn't contain vegetable oil gets my tick...will check this out (and it seems to pass the grassed test too ;))
Absolutely. I wouldn't want any dairy from a cow fed grain especially at the time of milking. Cows eat grass, they're not supposed to eat grain. It's the grain feeding that causes milk to need pasturisation. It's not healthy for the cow, your health or the environment for cows to be fed grain.:
Lol, you know grains comes from grasses? Yes?
And cows will cheerfully eat the fruits as well as the stems and leaves of grass.
If you want to follow that line of argument then by all means feel free to eat grain fed meat and dairy. I absolutely understand grains come from grasses and that some grains are eaten from certain grasses though it doesn't really explain the situation of grain feeding so I didn't want to complicate the discussion with that side bar. Funnily enough I'm not stupid. Go figure huh?
I honestly think there is a huge difference between the grain feeding that happens in the US and what happens in Australia.
Come and look at the farms in the dairy regions, they are not all locked up being force fed grains. They are grazing on grasses, weeds etc during the day. They get silage/hay during winter, which is cut from the same grasses that they have already been eating. And guess what, some of those grasses have grains.
To me the is a huge difference between occasional and all the time. Imagine the green miles involved in getting butter from other countries as they are labeled "grass fed" Honestly it reminds me of all the mis information flying around about "permeate free" milk.
So you think the only grain feeding occurring in Australis is the grain naturally occurring on grasses? I'm pretty sure that's incorrect. But I do agree with you that the American feed lots with mostly corn grain feeding is extreme and doesn't occur in Australia as corn isn't the cheap, crazy government backed crop it is in the the states.
Astrid, the funny thing is they aren't labelled "grassfed" lol.
It's not a big selling point here. Ironically, I always bought homebrand butter due to the price. Now I know it's grassfed, it's more reason for me to stick with it. I'm not hardcore into my dairy/beef being grassfed, but if I can get it, that's what I choose. Not unlike free range chicken/eggs.
Ok few thing I learnt from working with a few dairy corporations.
Grain fed equals a white product. Which is why our cream gives a yellow tinge, our butter is yellow etc. something to do with our sun and the high level of chlorophyl in our grasses. The rumour that colouring is used is baloney due to labelling required. So whilst our dairy isn't always 100% grass fed. The level at which it is isn't always for laziness but for the welfare of the animal when there is no grass and they need to eat. Second to that areas that have year round grass fed cows provide milk to other companies in times of need. I know KID does this with a few of their other brands at certain times of year. My understanding was that in order to sustain year round grass fed animals you need to have the climate and environment to sustain that. And that isn't something doable with our huge level of dairy needed. And if everyone went 100% grass fed what impact would that have on the industry? The welfare of the animals etc?
I can guarantee that the hay and silage they use will have grain in it. There is zero nutritional value in hay and silage that has had the brain harvested from it first. If you do that then it's called straw ;) So your 'grass fed' cows are actually getting grain from the hay and silage.:
Nope, can't see it happening for dairy products, not on a large scale. If it became a specific marketing point then I imagine that the price would go up. Now I realise that you would probably still be happy to pay a premium for it, but I can't see it taking off and becoming the mainstream product. Dairy farmers are getting ****ed in the arse by woolworths and coles as it is with their cheap homebrand milk etc and they are struggling as it is without the added cost of producing 100% grass fed products. So if you think your homebrand butter is cheap, think of the farmer who gets paid stuff all for his milk.:
This. Australia simply does not have the climatic conditions to produce this type of product in large volume. I would also suspect that those companies that are producing 'grass fed' products either have a very small production run or they are supplementing australian product for imported products to keep supply happening year round. There is also an environmental cost to all of this too. For many farms to continue to produce green feed all year, they need to irrigate, which places a larger burden on the water system. I think this is a factor that no one ever considers when they are buying their trendy products. Afterall, it's easy to just shut that side of it out so people can think they feel better about themselves by only buying grass fed.:
Now, from an animal heath point of view, they need grain. It's their protein source just like meat is to you or me. Without the protein, they lose body condition and when they are not as healthy as they can be, how can they possibly produce good quality milk? If you are buying a product that claims to be 100% grass fed dairy, I would be HIGHLY suspicious that they are supplementing the diet of those animals with something else because they cannot have healthy animals that exist on plant matter alone and I'd be wanting to know what that supplement is.
This info is from the Dairy Australia website;
Cows need a balanced diet which gives them enough energy to keep their bodies working and to produce milk. Cows enjoy a diet which consists of five main types of food, so they have five food groups just like you!
The main food for dairy cows is pasture, which is a mixture of grass and legumes growing in the farm paddocks. Legumes provide protein, and clover is the main legume found in pasture.
When cows are producing milk they sometimes cannot get enough energy from eating pasture alone. Farmers usually give the cows some high-energy grain when they come into the milking shed as encouragement to be milked.
Cows eat about 40 kg of nutritious food a day (40 kg of food equals 206 baked potatoes or 1,440 slices of bread!).
What a cow eats affects how much milk she gives, so farmers need to ensure that their cows have a nutritious diet.
Dairy cows have five main types of food in their diet. These are:
Pasture - the name for the plants growing in the paddocks in which cows graze. Pasture plants can be grasses such as rye-grass, or legumes such as clover. The largest part of an Australian dairy cow's diet is fresh pasture.
Hay - extra pasture that has been dried, cut and made into bales to give to the cows later.
Silage - pasture that has been cut and stored while it is still green to retain the nutrients.
Grains - cereals such as wheat and barley provide more energy than pasture and help cows make more milk. Grains can be crushed and mixed with vitamins and minerals to form pellets. These are usually given to cows at milking time.
Forage crops - special crops are sometimes grown for the cows to graze on during summer. These plants include lucerne, maize (corn), millet, turnips and oats. Cows love to eat the green leafy plants and also dig up the turnips from under the ground and eat these too.
Very interesting thread.
Thanks for the insight ladies! I seriously had no idea how much goes into choosing butter.
I use flora proactive buttery (for cholesterol
Thanks for the info Trill :)
Due to everything Ive read over the past few months, I'm sticking with grassfed when I can get it. I guess it comes down to personal choice in the end.
Ultimately, there's nothing wrong with choosing to use that product if you prefer it. I would just expect that when people choose it, they do so because they know 100% what goes into producing it and the implications of production and not just do it because it's become some new trendy thing they have read about on hipster/paleo/vegan blogs. Australia prides itself on it's quality of agricultural produce and millions of dollars are spent on R&D each year to make sure that we (the farmers) are growing our product according to world's best practice. You will not meet a regular, family farmer that would put his bottom line ahead of the welfare of his animals health and if someone did do that so they could satisfy some city numpty's conscience, then I wouldn't support that farmer on ethical principles.
Thanks for all the info Trill, really interesting to read a farming perspective, we live in dairy country now and I'm learning alot from lots of people I work with who are farmers too.
We were using the Aldi butter but recently have just been using block butter (still Aldi) and covering it and leaving it in the pantry. It's still pretty cool here at the moment but not sure what we will do in summer when it melts too much! It's amazing how much nicer it tastes!
Well it's true I'm a city numpty, but definitely not a hipster :p Either way, pretty sure vegans don't eat grass or grain fed butter :p ;) Love ya work xx:
For those that use block butter, check out butter bell's. great way to store butter without it curdling. You have less than a block in most bells which means its not out as long and it's spreadable without additives.
They look BRILL!!!!!! Ordering one now!! Thanks hun! xx:
For those that use block butter, check out butter bell's. great way to store butter without it curdling. You have less than a block in most bells which means its not out as long and it's spreadable without additives.