Problems second time around :(

Hi All,

My partner and I have been trying to conceive our second child for the past 18 months. I have had severely painful menstral cramps since having my son in July 2005 (via cesaerean) and have had ultrasounds and blood tests approx 18 months ago which all came back "normal". We have now been referred to concept fertility clinic (Dr Mazzuchelli) as TTC for 12 months or more without success is deemed infertile. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced problems the second time around? I also was admitted to hospital last week with severe abdominal pain and after another round of ultrasounds and blood tests it was found to be the result of a burst cyst with 1/2 cup of blood being the only thing left in my uterus...I don't know how long this could have been growing for or if it could have been hindering conception? It was found to be a corpus leuteum cyst?

Many thanks...I am just so sick of waiting to see a positive pregnancy test and being disappointed every month

Emma

So sorry you are having such a hard time conceiving again :( It is frustrating...

A corpus leuteum cyst would be from your first pregnancy (anyone correct me if I'm wrong!).

You will find a lot of ladies suffer secondary infertility, sadly it's quite common. I'm know you'll get lots of wonderful and advice here.

I hope your appointment with the FS will help you get the result you are hoping for in the very near future and that your pain is easing :)

Good luck!

Hi Lisa,

Thankyou for your message. Pardon my ignorance though - what do you mean by a corpus leuteum cyst from my first pregnancy? Do you mean that this thing could have been growing for the past 2 years?

Hi emma,
Sorry to hear that you have been having trouble TTC your 2nd child.

My DH and I have been TTC our 2nd child for quite a few years too ( approx 5) and have recently found out we will be needing to head down the IVF path, due to me being dignosed with endometriosis and a twisted tube.

It's hard isn't it, especially when you know that your body has been pregnant before, but for some reason won't do it a second time.

Wishing you all the best,

Nic

Hope this might help Emma - Couldnt find the right words myself!

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Corpus luteum cyst. When LH does surge and your egg is released, the ruptured follicle begins producing large quantities of estrogen and progesterone in preparation for conception. This changed follicle is now called the corpus luteum. Sometimes, however, the escape opening of the egg seals off and fluid accumulates inside the follicle, causing the corpus luteum to expand into a cyst.

Although this cyst usually disappears on its own in a few weeks, it can grow to almost 4 inches in diameter and has the potential to bleed into itself or twist the ovary, causing pelvic or abdominal pain. If it fills with blood, the cyst may rupture, causing internal bleeding and sudden, sharp pain. The fertility drug clomiphene citrate (Clomid, Serophene), which is used to induce ovulation, increases the risk of a corpus luteum cyst developing after ovulation. These cysts don't prevent or threaten a resulting pregnancy

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I had one of these burst when I was 6 weeks pregnant wth DS (and had been using Clomid to conceive him!).

Hope that helps :)

Ah! Thank you so much.
So I guess in a way this was kind of a good thing? Judging by the descirption it would appear highly likely that I am still ovulating...is that correct?

Sure seems like it :) Hopefully that's one less problem to eliminate!

Hi Emma

Just thought i would pop my head in and say I get these all the time and have never been pregnant so i don't think it has been there for 2 years. Mine have a tendency to explode eveytime aunt flow visits, definately ask your new FS about it?

Shan

hi Emma,
I just wanted to say that I know exactly how you are feeling.........my husband and i have been TTC our second child for 2 years now. we have been on IVF for 4 months now - I have had 2 Natural transfers but sadly nothing worked yet......

We had our first child so easily and pregnancy was easy too, although the birth was VERY tough, 27 hours of tough!

All we want for our little boy is a little brother or sister - and plus we would like it too! our son has special needs also, so this coupled with the strain of IVF ups and downs can be very hard at times in deed. BUT having said that, I feel one day it WILL happen. We did it once, it can happen again, I believe.........in the meantime, we enjoy ourselves as a little happy family of 3.

the very best of luck to you and your little family..........you have my support and that of many others here on this forum.

Hi emma,

This thread should be the secondary infertility thread, as I too am having trouble conceiving my second after we conceived my son virtualy in the first month of trying......it's now been a year and a half.....I've been on clomid now for 3 months, even though I was ovulating before.....and my FS wants me to stop at 4 months.....my AF is due any day now, and then my last clomid cycle....
DH and I do not want to go down the IVF route, mainly because of age and finances..... so I guess whatever will be will be....

I think the hardest thing with secondary fertility is that you've been given a taste of motherhood and then the urge to have more for yourself and your child is huge......and it's taken away for whatever reason....all the docs say there is nothing wrong with you....but there must be if we can't get pregnant.....or maybe its all phsycological.....but it's definately messing with my mind.....
All we can do is remain positive for each other and keep on trying...

Kazz

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oh, Kazz - you say the words that I feel exactly.........we have been TTC our second now for 2 years, including 3 transfers of IVF.......with no luck..............YET. I have to remain hopeful, because I do believe it WILL happen.

I completely agree with you in regards to the taste of motherhood. we have a beautiful boy who like you, was concieved so easily and I had a wonderful pregnancy, that I took completely for granted. I assumed it would happen again whenever I wanted it to. Now, we wait, wait and never take anything for granted.
In the meantime, everyone around us seems to be getting pregnant or pregnant again.
I give you my very best wishes and hope for the best for you so that you can have that wonderful feeling of motherhood again and a little brother or sister for your son.

Secondary infertility is pretty common I'm afraid, and it has it's own challenges for sure. While I feel for those who have not yet had the experience of having their own child, it is definitely a different sort of hardship to have tasted motherhood and then having trouble conceiving.

But at the same time, there are an awful lot of similarities between those who've never had children and those who are trying for their 2nd/3rd/4th whatever, esp when having to look to medical intervention to get you there.

As everyone else has said it is very common for women to have secondary infertility. Cysts and fibroids can make it more difficult for you to conceive and/or sustain a pregnancy. My cousin had heaps of cysts from when she was a teenager and was told she'd have trouble conceiving but didn't have any trouble at all, so it doesn't always cause any problems.

I wish you good luck with the journey you are about to undertake.

I too had difficulty falling pg with my 2nd child. With a history of Endo I became pg with my first DS whilst we were still discussing starting a family, which was a nice surprise. Four months after i gave birth to my DS, i got severe arthritis and to cut a long story short, due to the large variety of medications and steroids i was/had taken i was finding it frustrating not to fall pg again, so we adjusted mt medication and tried naturally for about a year and then clomid for a few months. All my bloods and testing were not showing any reason as to why we could not conceive-very frustrating as I also new my body could do it, however we ended up going IVF and thankfully we were blessed with our 2nd DS on our 1st cycle.

Emma i wish you all the very best on your TTC journey.

Hi Guys
I'm in the process of hoping for number 2, weve been trying for over 2 years and ive had 2 OI cycles and just had IUI. To begin with i had alot of cysts but the pregnyl shots did away with the last of them, unfortunately clomid 50mg caused overstimulation on my first OI cycle. Its very frustrating we fell pregs first time with our son and i dont really get it. I think the worst part is that i haven't told many people about the treatment and you constantly get bombarded with the "isnt it time for the next one" question (my son is 4) and the people that do know are very insensitive (or maybe i'm tooo sensitive:cry:) but i hate when people say "well at least youve got one!" and i get that, but it doesnt make it easier. I would really love my son to have a companion. Well that my little grievence. Lets cross are fingers for all us second mum wannabee's :dance:

Fingers crossed here for all of us!

We're coming up to 2 years TTC #2.

I don't get as stressed about it as much as I used to but I have good and bad days. Thankfully we don't get asked that much if we are going to have more kids.

Best of luck everyone!!!

We've been ttc#2 for 2 years now. We fell so easily with our daughter. I certainly relate to what's being said about finding it so hard the second time around. My FS has given me a script for clomid, but i've held off having it filled until I get AF this month.
Goodluck to everyone, hopefully we'll be seeing a lot of BFP's sooner than soon. :D

Hi everyone,

It's good to be in this thread, I don't know anyone where I live that has my problem......so it's hard to share, everyone has had there second, third, fourth children all around me. And my DS has me to play with.....I hear all the neighbours kids playing with their siblings, laughing and screaming, sometimes I think DS is missing out on all that and it makes me sad....

Whenever I run into people who've had there many kids, sometimes it's what they don't say that hurts....they check out the tum to see if it's getting bigger.....My DS is going to be 3 soon, my how time fly's.....I took my last clomid tab for this cycle and see what happens, My FS wants this to be my last cycle on the stuff....I really hope I get pregnant this month as I don't know if I can face anything else.......

Good luck to everyone here....

Kazz


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Hi Mum2Jaden,

Know how you feel. I'm the only 1 out of 10 at playgroup that hasn't had #2 and everyone's 1st child is 3 to 3 and a half. There's only one more mum that's due to have #2 (next month and bub wasn't even planned) and then there's me trying to wait patiently...

Hope the clomid does the trick this month for you :crossfingers:

Big hugs,
Ella's Mum :hug: