Have you had a CVS or amnio good results only to have Morph u/s show not so good

Hi Everyone,

I need some reassurance once again. Seems to be the only thing hitting me this pg. When I was just under 13weeks I had a bad NT scan result which I needed to have a CVS. The results to the CVS came back normal for any chromoone abnormalties. Yesterday had my 18/20week u/s see below what they have said:

Morning All,

The examination was technically limited and there are soft signs for chromosomal abnormality with the thickening of the nuchal fold, chloroid plexus cysts. The cardiac septum could not be assessed.

The measurements are consistent with 17weeks.

A feto maternal assessment is suggested.

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My little girl should have at least been measuring 19weeks on Saturday. Where from my LMP 19weeks tomorrow. This worries me in itself. Then the cysts.
With the chromomal abnormalty, I am now starting to worry that my results were wrong and there is something wrong there.
Before I lose my mind completely has anyone of you ladies after having a good result from either a CVS or a Amnio, had this come back at you on your Morphology 18/20 week scan.

I am just not sure on how much more of this stress I can take, I honestly am starting to feel as tho I am failing my little girl somewhere, and it really is tearing me apart.

I am seeinh the hospital today reguards the results so hopefully I get some encouraging results.

HUgs all, and sorry for putting this on you all.

oh hun huge hugs and support for you , I hope you hear some encouraging news today at the hosp !!
XXX

oh csab :hug: you do not need this!

hun - my doc told me that the CVS results (i had one done on monday) are only wrong 1/1000 times - and that is just for the fast track results, not for the full 9-14 day results.

So from what i ave been told i dont think this can be wrong.

Wishing you lots of strength for today!

And remember, all babies grow differently, i know its stressful but try not to be too worried about the size of your little angel - they all vary so much!

Only guesswork here, but on the surface it appears that a "soft" indication is based on visuals. The NT was already of concern so you had the proper testing done which revealed that everything was OK. So It appears that they are reiterating the earlier results based on appearance without taking into account the CVS.

Thanks Charmalea I really hope I can give good news. :hug:

Kitt - Thanks hun, I got the Normal results with both quick and full results, yet everywhere I read about the cysts bring me back to questioning those results, as they keep saying the cysts can point to trisomy 18/21. This is really freaking me out and I cant seem to stop crying. I hope all this crying is for nothing and my little girl is ok. I thought this stress was over, but I was definately wrong. :hug:

Slyder - I keep reading soft and I have really worked myself up in fear of losing this little girl, or her having something terribly wrong with her. It really doesnt help when you try and get answers thru searching the internet. If anything it makes you feel worse. I am just so tired of this stress and uncertainty.

Oh sweety, just wanted to pop in here too and give you the biggest :hug: and let you know that I am thinking of you today when you have your appointment. :pray: that your little girl is fine and as Slyder mentioned that they just didn't take into account what the CVS already found out.

Sending lots of :hug: your way. Hope you get some decent anwers today, and I really hope there is nothing for you to worry about.
Thinking of you. xoxo

:hug: Cheryl, you don't deserve all this stress!!
I agree with Slyder, they are just saying that the nuchal fold measurement is higher than "normal" which you already knew and they say that this can indicate abnormalities but you have already had this checked through the CVS and everything is fine. I honestly don't think there's anything to worry about with that :hug: Hopefully they will clear it up for u at ur appt.

CSAB ~ Darlin, my heart goes out to you going through this all over again just when you thought everything was hunky dory.
But, as you said yourself, it CAN point to trisomy 18/21, doesn't mean it WILL.
I am in agreement with Slyder - because they have only commented on the u/s result, not in collaboration with your CVS sampling that you had done.

I hope you get some positive knews from your Dr today, and if they don't have anything to tell you yet, that you get some reassurance at least.

And remember, I think I said this once before.

You love this little girl, and she loves you. You & your DH created her, and no matter what happens, you will love her regardless. You should not feel guilty about failing her, because you haven't.

Chin up, I'll be thinking of you, and I'll make special mention of you in my prayers tonight.

All my Love to you & your family today.

x x x x x

Hey CSAB

My little Bean also showed up with soft markers, the chloroid plexus cysts, they are actually quite common and it is purely developments in technology that has made them more visible, a few years ago, when they were finding them they were sending women off for heaps of tests, which they have since found out that most babies actually have them, they just disappear at different ages.

My OB eplained that it can point to Trisonmy as well, but as my other results were all clear, then there was nothing to get worried about.

I can't comment on the CVS as I never had it, but the others seem to have posted some really helpful information :)

It can be a very scary time, :hug:

Hope your results were all clear xx

Morning everyone,

Thanks everyone for all the kind words etc. I guess I had worked myself up with this fear in me of something going wrong yesterday and the day before, knowing after speaking to my DR Tuesday afternoon by phone she had said to me that after having the CVS done and all came back normal that all is fine, as for the cysts she said they should disappear in the third trimester, and what we will monitor is the baby's growth, as well she just may be a small baby. Yet apart from that all seems fine. Yet I still let myself get worked up. I guess needing to hear it from someone else has helped.
Yesterday saw the Dr at the hospital who also has told me that once a CVS has been done and all is good then they dont pay attention to what the u/s reports say. SO he also advised not to worry. He said that with the cysts they dont cause any problems with the baby, so that was also good to hear. He also mentioned that it could just be cells still forming that make it look like a cyst. He said at this stage not to worry about the baby's growth as it is still early. Yet as the U/S place have noted that not all of the heart could be seen, although they could see that bubs has a four chamber heart there is something in the middle they couldnt see. Which he found strange since they could see a 4chamber heart. So anyway they want to monitor that, so have me going to the feto maternal unit on Thursday for another u/s. I think it is called an Anomoly u/s, I am assuming they will also check on the cysts as well as bub's growth on the day. So hopefully all is ok with her heart.
I still have to see the Physicians on Tuesday and then two weeks after that before I go back and see the DR 4weeks from Tuesday unless there is a problem then I need to see the Dr again after the u/s.

Thanks again everyone, I really appreciate you all being here for me once again. It just hasnt seemed to end with this pg. :hug:

Hi cheryl, my little girl had large bilateral choroid plexus cysts. Needless to say I worked myself into a panic for sometime but she is a beautiful healthy little girl. The cysts are often found in babies without any genetic abnormalaties and resolve on their own. A lot of literature suggests not telling parents as they are generally not a problem and just cause the parent worry.

As for the heart it may just have been the position te baby was in that made it hard to visulise the septum. If they can see four chambers it is present, they like to have a good look at it to see that it is whole.

Good luck with the anomaly scan, just think of it as another chance to see your bubs

:hug:
Sometimes just getting on here and letting out all your worry is enough to get you through it, and we are always here for you to listen and offer that shoulder you need.
This has been a long tough road for you , and every milestone has brought up something unexpected.
Just remember to breathe through it all , and know we are here in the background wishing you and this little princess all the very best.

I just wanted to wish you all the best and also let you know that my little one had Choroid plexus cysts as well. I did alot of research and I truly believe that all babies have them but most close up before the 20 week scan. I know they say with other markers it may be a problem, but I still believe all babies have the cysts at some point.
I hope the rest of your pregnancy is smooth and worry free.
Also, my DD who had the cysts measured for 30 weeks when she was actually 36 weeks, so of course I panicked, but she came out 3kilos, so totally average. Sometimes u/s give too much info I think. xoxoxo

:hug: Cheryl. I'm so glad everything is fine!

Can i ask what the CVS is??? I have to get a NT scan done in a few weeks time....DR's idea as i had some slight spotting only for one day a couple of weeks ago and she seems to think it would be a good idea to get the scan done. Obviously if my result come back high i would need to go into it further just wondering what all the other tests are....i won't do an amnio though...too risky!

Hey sweety
firstly :hug::hug::hug:. Glad to hear the DR wasn't worried. My little bubba has/had cysts as well and they couldn't see all of her heart they told me she was laying wrong but like you they managed to get all four chambers :confused:. I had my second u/s and they said everything is fine.
With my first DD they said she had short limbs possibly genetic and to monitor growth she turned out to be 48.5cm long when born so I find some u/s really unrelieble I hope everything settles for you, you've had a tough run
lots of hugs kel

The big theme that I'm getting out of this thread, and other threads, and experiences of friends is that whilst in one way all of the testing that is available is great, on the other hand it causes a massive increase in anxiety in so many mothers that otherwise would not have happened. Take Kel's example - all supposition in their findings and no basis in fact. It's something I'm starting to notice a lot and it's really annoying me.

Slyder, you are quite right. There is starting to be some talk in the media about "over testing" and the people suggesting it are often criticised. But the reality is that there IS additional stress being put on parents-to-be and there is no real evidence that the number of problems picked up is sufficient to warrant the "false positives" and unnecessary worries.

It is also very alarming that there is not enough explanation of what tests mean and how accurate they are, and that there is a lot of misinformation floating about.

Hi csab. I'm sorry you are going through this, it seems some of us are plagued by issues throughout pregnancy. I can't offer any advice regarding your specific situation as all was well with our 24 week scan after the amnio, but I've just been through a scare with cord blood flow that could've seen me being induced earlier, but with another scan two weeks later all was back to normal. Sometimes I think the scans show us too much, things we would never have known about if we were pregnant in our mothers time, and we would've had much calmer pregnancies.

Thanks Everyone... You are all wonderful. :hug:

Satya - I am so relieved all is going along better now for you. So glad the cord issue has resolved itself and you can continue on with this pg to the end... Not long now hun and you will meet your little man. So very excited for you. Thanks for always being here for me. I am not sure on how Thursday U/S will pan out, I just hope there is better news. :hug:

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Can i ask what the CVS is??? I have to get a NT scan done in a few weeks time....DR's idea as i had some slight spotting only for one day a couple of weeks ago and she seems to think it would be a good idea to get the scan done. Obviously if my result come back high i would need to go into it further just wondering what all the other tests are....i won't do an amnio though...too risky!

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The NT (nuchal translucency) scan measures the amount of fluid at the back of baby's neck. High measurements can indicate a higher chance that the baby has a chromosomal variation such as Down syndrome or Trisomy 18. It is not definitive, it just gives a higher risk.

If there is a high NT results, and you want to investigate further, your options are CVS or amnio.

CVS (chorionic villus sampling) is usually performed between 11 to 13 weeks. A needle is put into the Mum's stomach and takes a sample of the placenta. The cells taken are grown up in the lab and they can have a look at baby's chromosomes. There is a stated1/100 risk of the pregnancy not surviving with CVS.

Amnio is usually performed between 14 to 16 weeks. A needle is put into the Mum's stomach and takes a sample of the fluid surrounding the baby. The cells taken are grown up in the lab and they can have a look at baby's chromosomes. There is a stated1/200 risk of the pregnancy not surviving with amnio.

If you are not interested in having amnio or CVS (CVS can be performed earlier but has a higher chance of miscarriage), you should have a think about whether you want to have the NT scan. How will it impact you if the result is high? Will you act any differently? A high risk does not mean that your baby has a chromosomal variation, there a heaps of stories here from Mums that had high NT, with healthy babies. A low risk also does not mean that your baby won't have a chromosomal variation, just that the risk is low.

It is your choice whether to have the NT scan or not, just as it is your choice whether to have further testing or not.

THank you Kate for that info!

I wasn't even going to have it done but then i had some spotting basically due to having sex the day before and i had a little bit of spotting the next day. I was told by the DR at the hospital that my cervix was fully shut and wasn't coming from where peanut is, but my GP has kinda insisted that i do the NT scan as sometimes spotting is due to abnomalities, i guess she is just doing her job! At least i get to see peanut again before my 19wk scan!

Dannim, if you are worried get the NT scan done and then based on the results decide whether to go with further testing. I think your GP is going a bit over the top, but obviously concerned for you and your baby.
FYI - I had 2 lots of red spotting with DD1 and all was ok, I had 6 weeks of continuous bleeding (not spotting) with DD2 and she had a fatal chromosomal abnormality.

CSAB - glad to hear your appointment went well, now stop worrying (easier said than done I know) and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy x

Danni - Hope all is well. :hug:

Clare - Thanks hun, am trying but it is always at the back of your mind. So sorry about DD2. :hug: