I HATE rockers!!!!

I just wanna throw the stupid thing over the fence!!!

Why cant babies just close their eyes and goto sleep?.. it surely cant be THAT hard.
Isabell will only goto sleep if she's ROCKED.. either in our arms or in the stupid rocker, and even then its a mission.. EVERY TIME!!!
We see shes tired, rubbing her eyes etc, so we will put her in the rocker and she cracks the $hits,.. so we rock rock rock and eventually if we are lucky she'll goto sleep. Otherwise we end up with a well overtired cranky psycho.
GIVING ME THE IRRITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Today she's been a serial pest and probably only had an hours sleep since 9am (broken into maybe 15-20 min sleeps)... GRRR.

Can someone please tell me that in the near future she will be able to drift off happily on her lonesome???? anyone???.. I cant handle the rocking anymore... its driving me insane. :wall::wall::wall::wall:

the best thing i had when bubs was new (not sure how old yours is) was a fisher price cradle swing.... battery operated, rocked from side to side like a cradle, and you could also turn it to face the other way.

was the only thing she slept in for quite a while....

as i said, couldn't have survived without it.

:hug: its very frustrating. Try & find tired signs early, like jerky movements, yawning, and rubbing eyes and straight away try to get bubs to sleep, either by rocking or some other way. The earlier you catch them the less time it takes.

Its frustrating but you will get through it & it does get easier.

I hate to say this, but if you want her to go to sleep without being rocked you'll kinda have to teach her.
It's not easy, but I'm pretty sure it's the only way. Have you tried puting her to sleep any other way??

I have a rocker, but at one stage if I put Jesse in it, I couldn't rock him. He hated, I had to push it back & forth like a pram.
He was a good sleeper & is slowly coming good again. He forgot how to self settle & had alot of probs sleeping & going to sleep.
Now I walk him til he's really settled. Nearly asleep, but still awake, then put him down. Sometimes he falls asleep first, but it's working - slowly.
He occasionally puts himself to sleep. I try putting him down with the dummy a few times first, before I pick him up. Then if he won't settle just with the dummy I'll pick him up. Sometimes I have to use a feed as a last resort, but not too often.

Anyway, last night he slept from 10.30pm til 6am. I think it's coz he is learning to self settle again. I saw him do it during his day sleeps today. A few times he got woken up, but instead of screaming & waking up, he'd have a winge & go back to sleep.

OK I've gone on long enough. I really hope I helped! Goodluck.

You might try her in a hammock if she likes the movement.
My son was quite similar, and most of the time the hammock was a lifesaver, cos it rocks/bounces itself and you dont need to do as much. Sometimes the hospital will hire them out to you to try.
She will eventually learn to go to sleep on her own, I promise...just dont ask me for a timeframe..

Gosh it can really do your head in can't it?! :hug:

I'm kinda with bjrose on this one - if your little one is screaming etc. with being rocked, maybe you could use this time now to teach her to self settle......as she'll most probably fight it to begin with but if you set up a consistent settling pattern and remain persistent with it for a week, maybe 2, you'll most probably have a little angelic sleeper by the end. Yep, am talking about the whole 'controlled crying' thing :rolleyes: :D but its really not as negative as its made out to be :) I did it with both my girls and they are fabulous sleepers! (with no side effects! ;))

At around the same age at nap/bed time, we would change our little ones nappies, give them a quiet cuddle in their room, then pop them in their gro bag, tuck them in, say nighty night and leave. If they cracked it, we'd monitor them for the next 5 to 10 minutes and if they were still going, we'd go in, do a quick once over (ie check nappy, too hot/cold, twisted :) etc) then another cuddle, not as long but still lovely and then tuck them back in. etc etc etc. In the beginning we had to go in a lot, after not too long, it'd only take one check and then they'd be out to it. Now, DD#2 at 13&1/2 months, no checks.

The other thing we did was decided when and how long they needed to nap for. So if they woke up too soon, as in only napped for 20minutes - for a little one that's not long enough so we'd do a quick quiet resettle, the same as when we first put them to bed. Again, the girls learnt to sleep in solid blocks and as they got older we simply adjusted their nap lengths as well as how many they had during the day. I believe the key was giving the girls a rhythm to learn then they knew what to expect and felt comfy falling into that pattern iykwim.

Hard work in the beginning but gosh it pays back in dividends! ;)
Sorry bout the long post! They are just my thoughts lovey but I do hope that it helped a little. Thinking of you and I really hope your little one settles for you soon :hug:

Does she go to sleep if you go for a drive??? At one time me and hubby would hit the road EVERY night, until our little "bundle of joy" fell asleep. It was to keep us sane, not to please her.

And chin up, it does get better, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually it does :hug:

Awww Ben, I empathise with you! As I write DP is rocking our bub to sleep in the pram (but please, don't look at my ticker to check how old he is, you'll get seriously depressed. BTW - it only took 10 minutes).

Euan used to self-settle, but teething and other milestones can throw that out in a huge way. Now, with tooth number two coming through, he only settles in the pram (or car, or other motion device), on the boob, or in a carrier. On the one hand, it's not as easy as just popping him into his cot and leaving him to it, on the other, he will sleep anywhere as long as he has one of his tried and tested methods to get to sleep.

If controlled crying isn't your thing, but you want to encourage Isabell to self settle, there are ways to do it without CC. When E learnt to self settle, he was about 3 months old, and we were at the end of our tether. We would literally spend all day trying to get him to sleep - he was a newborn and he only got about 8-10 hours of sleep a day. He really cracked it when we tried to rock or carry him to sleep, which was all that worked previously, and it was almost like he needed something that was less stimulating. So when we put him to bed, we wrapped him, and lay next to him on our bed, stroking his head and whispering to him (or singing, or shh-ing) whatever works. We would sometimes have to gently hold his arms to start with so he wouldn't try to wriggle out of the wrap, but he would eventually and gently drift off to sleep. After some weeks, the amount of time we needed to spend with him decreased, and some days we could wrap him and just lie next to him without any contact and he would fall asleep within a few minutes.

If she does need some form of motion or cuddling to sleep, why not invest in a good carrier, if you haven't already? It makes carrying a babe to sleep so much easier for parents, and the snuggliness of a good wrap (for example) is very conducive to drifting off to sleep.

How old is Isabell now? Are there any other issues (like wind) that might be preventing her from getting to sleep? Have you considered sleep school? What about a swing style rocker - they are expensive but do the work for you! I wish we had bought one - I used a friend's and Euan was asleep in five minutes whilst I sat and had a cup of tea. Unfortunately he was nearly 5 months old and a boofer, so it wasn't worthwhile buying one at that point.

I hope you start getting some relief soon - and that the rocker doesn't end up over the fence. Good luck!

You know after reading suse's post I rememberd reading something in a baby sleeping book once ... it was for newborns, but no harm in trying ???

About the wrapping. I know she is screaming her pretty little lungs out (give her a dummy or her finger to suck), but try and wrap her tightly and then place her over your left shoulder (near your heart) then hold her firmly (light pressure) and rock (again with the rocking) slowly back and forth just shhhhh-ing as loud as she is crying and gradually going softer as she is getting calmer. Try to do this in a quiet darkish room, not pitch black, just curtians drawn. The goal of this is to get the surroundings as near as possible to the uterus and to get her to experiance the same "pressure" as in the uterus. It made sense to me when I read it ... my bubba was already 13 months then, so I did not have a little lab-rat to test it on .. but it's worth a try, right???

Goodluck!!

I love suse's idea about checking if it's not wind that is bothering her??

She is coming up to 4 months old now..
Shes usually really placid in the car, occasionaly will sleep but usually just relaxed and quiet.
Its so frustrating, not that long ago we had a week straight where she would show her tired signs, and we'd wrap her and put her in the cot and she went straight off to sleep. We were in heaven, but it only lasted a week then went back to this.
Sometimes she really goes off her trolley and ill cradle her in my arms and rock her while she's going off, and in an instant, almost like the flick of a switch, shes out like a light.
Usually though, we have to work through the screaming and eventually she pipes down and drifts off.
During the day is a nightmare, its constantly about a sleep deprived cranky baby.
At night though, once we get her to sleep in her rocker by 8 or 9pm, meg waits a while and then transfers her to the cot, no problem at all, and she will sleep sometimes through the whole night. Although usually she will wake at 2 or 3am for food and then she will go straight back in the cot. No drama's. It's just during the day shes a mega hassle and it really sucks!!

I still love her though :inlove::inlove::inlove:

Thanks Nadine! We used to do the wrapping/rocking/shh-ing thing, hadn't read it anywhere but it just evolved from trying different things iykwim - anyway, it works!

ETA: Ben, I think it was about four or five months we had the same thing happen. It's a giant PITA. As much as Euan is the most wonderful creature that ever existed (lol), last night at 4:30 am when he just wouldn't go back to sleep after a day of psycho-baby I did want to leave him to sort it out for himself and go back to bed with a big pair of earmuffs. Just remember - it will get better.

Give the hammock, or battery operated swing a go :) My DS STILL likes to be rocked to sleep sometimes :rolleyes: Whatever it takes I figure. I truly know how frustrating it is, but she will likely need some help to go to sleep for awhile. Just think, adults often have trouble getting to sleep, so think how hard it must be for a baby, especially if they're overtired. No wonder they want some help! Trust me, this stage will be over soooo quickly, and hopefully without too much grief for you ;)

Just thought I would point out, with NO judgement whatsoever, that CC is not recommended for babies under 6 months.

Where does she sleep during the day?
If she's in the lounge, or where there's tv noise etc it might just be too loud & bright.
I was sleeping DS in the lounge room during the day, so his body clock wouldn't stuff up, but I put him back in our room, & he's gone from 10 - 20 minute day sleeps to usually an hour or more.
He's in a porta cot in our room & we just bought him a new cot, so I'm gonna start him sleeping in the new cot in DD2's room through the day to get him used to it, then when he's sleeping better through the night, I'll start putting him in there. I'm leaving him in the porta cot in our room for now though, coz he knows it & is more settled in there.


Janie - I only go out til Jesse starts crying. If he is just sooking I leave him, & I don't time it. If he's sooking for about 5 minutes I go in & try the dummy again. If I have to go in more than 3 or 4 times, I know he's not going to settle himself, thats when I go pick him up & rock til he settles, then put him down. If he starts crying then - very rare - I will rock/walk him to sleep.If that doesn't work then as a last resort I might feed him.
Is that considered control crying?? I never let him actually cry, just winge.

Sorry to hijack, hopefully I'm clearing this up for everyone. I haven't read about it yet.

We rocked our DD to sleep every night in her bassinet (on wheels) when she was younger. Now she self settles, so yes it does get easier. Hang in there. I can recall many nights of spending half an hr rock rock rocking.

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We were in heaven, but it only lasted a week then went back to this.

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I don't want to kill the moment, but they DO THAT!!! They get into this nice comfy routine and when they did it for four days, you all excited go around and TELL ppl and THEN WHAM, they stop doing it and wants something different, you know what I mean ;)

Just thowing this out there .. could she be hungry during the day?? I can't remember if you guys have her on formula or on the boob?? DD was like that during the day and it turned out (aside form the colic) that she was hungry :redface: First time parenting is really, really hard.

Nice comment that you still love her :) We would have never thought anything else

LOl ahhh sounds like my dd.. we got it down to a fine art now... feed her put her in her cot, put her dummy in, turn on her mobile and stand there with our hand on her belly doing 'shhhh shhhh shhh' start off loud and pat her fairly firm.. then quieten the shhh... soften the patting... and keep softening until your really quiet.. take off your hand.. still shhhh'ing.. walking slowly out the room going shhhhh shhhh shhh.. then when you get out the door one more really loud SHHHHHH .. yes you will be slightly parched afterwards lol but if she sleeps the 12 hours she usually does it's bliss. Also we have one of the fisher and price battery operated swings that someone else mentioned.. it's bliss.. i highly suggest you invest in one :)

I think the situation has alot to do with it. I have 3 kids. If I comforted him to sleep all the time, it would be impossible to do anything else. I still have to get DD1 ready for school & DD2 always wants something while I'm trying to get him to sleep.
I would love to cuddle him to sleep. I often do, but with my older kids it's really hard during the day.
Everyone is different, the same as every child is different. I need DS to learn to self settle.
If I have a bad night I can't catch up on sleep the next day. Sure I can handle a bad night on occasion, but the sleeping problems here have been going on for weeks. I need him to start to sleep better for the sake of my family. I don't know how else to do it.

i had problems last winter with DS not sleeping he was 7mths and i wrapped him and then hew was about 11mths when we stopped it, it was a lifesaver and had no cranky bub !!! and i love the fisher price papasan , get your hands on one , we used it for day naps until he was big enough to sleep in the cot ,, it too was a lifesaver !!

I'm not going to get into the whole CC debate....I just wanted to say that I got a hammock a few weeks ago and my little man has pretty much put himself to sleep nearly every single day and night sleep and he now also sleeps a lot longer. I wrap DS then cuddle for a few minutes untill he is sleepy then I put him down. I think they are fantastic...and you can hire them fairly cheaply, just google "hire for baby", they have lots of outlets.

Ben - how's it all going? Have things been a bit better, or are you still going off your rocker (pardon the pun, but I couldn't resist it)?

Just a reminder that the OP didn't ask for a debate on CC. Thanks!

Ben - I think the secret here for yours and Meg's sanity is accepting as well as you can that babies do exactly what Isabell is doing. Whether you advocate CC or would fight against it with all you have, babies cry! It is exhausting. It can be demoralising, depressing and frustrating but that's the package deal. My DD#1 had all her day sleeps on me for the first 5 months and then we graduated to her going to sleep on me so I could then put her down. It took until 10 months of age for us to be able to put her down for the night at 7.30 pm. Until then it was anything up until 11pm. I found I went pretty nutty fighting her to get it any other way and as soon as I accepted it, the better it was for all of us. You definitely need to still keep trying to get her to settle on her own, but your little girl is so tiny. If she goes to sleep better while you're holding her, look at it as the blessing it is that you are cradling your daughter in your arms.

And like someone said previously (sorry - forgot who), you will think you've got it going perfectly and something else will happen - a growth spurt, a tooth, a cold etc and it will all go out the window again for a while.

Hang in there, take deep breaths and try to see beyond the screaming so you can enjoy this very precious time with your daughter because they grow way too damn fast.

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Ben - I think the secret here for yours and Meg's sanity is accepting as well as you can that babies do exactly what Isabell is doing. Whether you advocate CC or would fight against it with all you have, babies cry! It is exhausting. It can be demoralising, depressing and frustrating but that's the package deal.

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Totally agree, i DO accept it, and i know meg does as well. I know its what babies do but it doesnt make it any easier. The most frustrating thing for me is when she can't be pleased and its scream scream scream. I hope you didnt get the impression that i'm on here bagging her out because i'm not. Call it venting if you will :)

Hi suse - its going okay thanks for asking :) (sorry i have a bad habit of not following my own threads lol). Im not still going off my rocker (hehe stupid things), im fairly placid today even though its been a bit of a cr@ppy one. Isabell is in bed asleep for the night now though so meg and i are just enjoying it. I feel bad though coz meg is very tired, but im making her have an early night so she can have a good sleep. :)
We are considering buying one of the swinger/hammock things, but i just hope its not too late and that she'll only go for the dumb rocker or our arms (although she did have a nice sleep in my arms today and was so so sooo cute :inlove: )

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Just a reminder that the OP didn't ask for a debate on CC. Thanks!

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Lol, you crack me up. But your right i didnt ask for a debate on it.
For the record, im all for it.. Meg is a fence sitter - she cant make up her mind, so i try not to push the issue anymore.

ETA : Sorry forgot to say thanks to everyone for replying, muchly appreciated :)

Ben, I'm glad to hear that yesterday was a better day for you. It's so sweet when they sleep in your arms! I'm sorry I entered into the whole cc debate in your thread, I was really just trying to say what Lulu said (but not nearly so well!) that it's so much easier if you can accept that what your baby is doing is normal. It is so hard with your first baby, it's all so new, and somehow not like anyone described ;) But it sounds like you're both coping really well, and making the most of enjoying your little princess :)

The CC discussion has been moved to its own specific thread, so anyone who wants to continue on with it is more than welcome to!

A discussion about Controlled Crying and Comforted Sleep Solutions

Ben, I'm glad you had a lovely 'in arms' sleep yesterday - they are pretty special. That's the thing with babies, just when you think that you can't handle any more screaming/lack of sleep/etc, they go and do something so amazingly beautiful that gives you the strength to keep going.