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Check out this!!! Bloody awful, gees I am MAD!!!! MIght send him a comment myself I think!!!
Dr. Phil.com - Be on the Show
Join the club Kelly LMAO. He lost it for me when he had the entire Sears family on there and told them he disagreed with them. I"m betting he wants to put HB'ers on his show just to tell them how irresponsible they were :rolleyes:
I dont see the problem with it. He's just doing another topic for his show, no biggie.
Then I guess you haven't seen how foolish he has made the following people look: co-sleepers, term breastfeeders; homeschooler's; parents who don't vaccinate; The Sears Family (they are the benchmark for attachment parenting and they are all Dr's themselves). He has had them on there and had a go at them for being irresponsible and damaging to their children. The one where he had the Sears family on there just showed how ignorant he really is.
He is showing a huge bias. As much as we have a natural bent, we don't go and start discussions like, 'Who regrets using an Ob and who regrets going to hospital and wished they never did it.'
Just because he has 'Dr' in his name doesn't mean he's an expert on this all of a sudden...
I don't think we'll be seeing the flip side of this, about Obs and hospitals for some reason, he'd be fried big time, the AMA would be on his back, RCOG... he'd cop it. But midwives are easy targets it seems.
i too dont see a big problem with it..
i know a few people that have regretted home births and its up to them if they want to share their story.
sorry but i really dont see a problem with it.
hmm i think it would be good for people to know that things can go wrong no matter where you give birth, so maybe it can be a good topic to cover.
I was really considering a home birth,but now i'm glad i had ds in a hospital as he would have died otherwise...
I agree that women should be able to share their stories if their HB didn't work out or it went wrong because it's a fact that it can and does happen sometimes, but I don't think the Dr Phil show is the vehicle for it. I have seen him tear into those who choose options that are left of mainstream and there isn't any need for it. Mine, and I think Kelly's concern is that he would do the same with this subject and belittle these women who choose to give birth at home and make it a very biased and one sided story. I honestly can't see him being supportive of it after what he's previously done.
i am all for people having choice in giving birth where and how they want, but i agree with Kelly - this is definitely aimed at HB bashing! the question
is enough to tell you there and then that he's trying to bag home birth big time. yes, it's important to know the pro's and cons, but really - hospital birth as "traditional"?? that's such a load!! it's only become the "norm" since scare mongering by medical professionals started out - how else do they collect their pay packets if women choose not to use their services??:
Did you have your second child the traditional way in a hospital?
this is a blatant attack, before he even starts his show, on the institution of midwifery led care. i think we can all acknowledge that there are times when Ob's are needed, but it's not the majority of cases, it's the minority. try telling that to a first time mum who watches a show like the one he is planning here though - try making her feel confident in her ability to birth if she doesn't happen to make the hospital even if she planned a hospital birth. if you're not educated on ALL sides of an argument, you're not getting the full picture and we, as women, deserve to be treated with more respect than that. we're not just little puppets that should be scared into conforming to the medical model of child birth by idiots like Dr Phil who believe they know better than anyone else what should and shouldn't happen!! i don't let anyone dictate to me what should and shouldn't happen in my life - i make educated and informed decisions - but fear is a great tool for people to use to manipulate you to their way of thinking - and that is what he's trying to do here....
FWIW - i think any "doctor" worth their salt wouldn't be trying to cure the worlds ill's by appearing on TV and trying to push their agenda on the world by judging their choices and manipulating scenarios to ONLY show their POV. a doctor that is worth their ilk would be in private practice actually HELPING people!
yeh but its just a talk show.. thats what he does.. i dont watch him coz i dont really care for what he has to say but hey thats life.. iykwim.
I wouldn't have a problem if it was "Eploration of positive and negative experiences of Home Birth" or something like that where he was presenting a spectrum of expereinces that would provide a balanced view from a non-biased selection of mothers. However the wording is very controversial and one-sided so I agree that it will be a Home Birth bashing exercise designed to scaremonger.
He is really moving away from being "Dr.Phil" and turning more and more into Jerry Springer! He is losing credibility very quickly....
The only prob that I have with it is that hospital is 'traditional' in his eyes.
I think of it the other way around. I mean, where the heck did they birth before hospitals??
I think its more for people who tried for a home birth, & ended up with an emergency c/s or having to be transferred to hossy for some other reason.
It should really be.
'Do you regret the way you chose to birth.
Are there people who wish they'd been in hospital instead of at home,
& are there people who wish they'd been at home instead of going to the hospital.'
Just to make it unbiased iykwim?
Check this one out! Way to make birth look attractive :rolleyes: Dr. Phil.com - Be on the Show
ETA Yes, and I'm sure they'll help you make the best decision for you in this one *insert sarcasm* Dr. Phil.com - Be on the Show
Oh, there's so many shockers, I can't believe it! I'll stop posting them now ;)
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Maybe so, but it's 'just a talk show' that has millions and millions of viewers worldwide - the possible consquences of this show are far reaching. He's only got to scare one women enough to choose a hospital birth over a homebirth or even just a midwife led birth and his job is done isn't it? He's inadvertently taking choice away from women.
OK. Thats a bit odd.:
Check this one out! Way to make birth look attractive
That is going more Jerry Springer.
Traumatic birth tapes!
Most people would rather forget I think.
Are thay just gonna watch them, or is he planning on helping women come to terms with their birth experiences??
I replied saying that I think that hospital birth is what caused my family huge trauma... and I was disgusted by his biased and leading questions ;) Lets flood them....
The traditional way to give birth is at home, since when did hospital birth become traditional?!??
I have really liked some of the advice Dr. Phil has given on his show before, but this is not going to be one of those shows.
Just sent this to Dr. Phil:
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I am surprised at the topic you have chosen for this show. Australian research has consistently confirmed that women who give birth at home are more satisfied with their experiences than women who give birth in hospital. I am surprised that you see a minority group here that is significant enough to devote an entire show too? Or perhaps homebirth is in some way different in the US, to Australia, UK, and the rest of Europe?
We have had two beautiful homebirths, have two happy and healthy children, and would be quite disappointed if there was some medical problem that necessecitated a hospital birth.
I'm sure he'll be overwhelmed with responses.....NOT.
Bet he doesn't mention the extraordinarily high rates of satisfaction women have with homebirth....or maybe he will when he has to announce he's not doing the show after all due to lack of interest.....
And yeah, could you wear your biases any more blatantly??? Blech.
Well they say every man has his price. I guess Dr Phil sold out a while ago. I am surprised that people can't see this as a problem - firstly, he is not an ob or mw so has no specialist knowledge in this area. I thought the point of his show was supposed to be to use HIS expertise to help people? Secondly, it is blatantly biased. It doesn't say "share your birth experience" or "hb experience", he is specifically looking to rubbish a valid method of bringing a child into the world. How is that helping pg women and their partners to choose an option based on unbiased information? It's not.
What sad about it is that Homebirths or births with midwives are so rare in the US. Hospital births in the US involve so much intervention. They really need to take a good look at the probelms they have with the majority of women instead of looking at midwives and women who choose to have little or no intervention! I can only imagine what they pick out of the bunch!!
Just realised Dr Phil is a d ick?
Welcome aboard! Sorry it took you so long.... ;)
Bx
I agree, no big deal :rolleyes::
Completely agree... I saw that I thought what an insanely bizarre thing to say.:
I stopped watching Dr Phil a long time ago- I find him to be a very typically conservative, white, middle class, middle aged man and I don't like much of what he has to say.
just thought i would add...
i dont care what dr phil has to say about home births. If i want one then ill be having one. Its my choice. Its really the same with breastfeeding etc. It doesnt matter what a talk show says, at the end of the day its ur life and ur decision. If people are going to take dr phils advice over their own intuition and midwifes/gp's advice then shame on them. thats their problem.
i understand that dr phils fans out there believing him about all the bad stuff he might say about homebirths but really.. comon they are grown ups im sure they can make the decision for themselves.
u will find that Ellen and Opera give me the ****s too but hey.. its my choice whether i listen to them or not.
IYKWIM..
xox
ps.. yes i do find the term "traditional" out a llllllllloong time ago. A different word should have been used here.
I don't really see a problem with it either TBH. I agree that his show has a HUGE audience but at the risk of sounding like a snob, anybody who watches Dr Phil and thinks that they are seeing the real story, and makes a decision as to where they are going to birth their child as a result of what Dr Phil thinks is an idiot. It has been a very, very long time since Dr Phil said anything worth listening to, and since his guests were anything more than people desperate for the attention and/or appearance money.
Dr Phil is so full of it, whoever said that he is turning into Jerry Springer is totally right! When he first started i thought the show was great and actually was helping people, now it just seems to be pitting people against each other just to get the ratings.
Dr Phil LOST credibility?!?!? Hmmmmm. Did he ever have any? Didn't he start out on Today Tonight?. ;)
Idiots or not, it sows the seeds of doubt in women's minds - and even 'idiots' have a right to have the best birth for them. It isn't so much solely what HE has to say either - all the 'experts' are more worrying - who knows what they are going to bring to the table. And at the end of the day it is still perpetrating the myth that HB's are dangerous and shouldn't be done. Plus I think a lot of you underestimate the American audience and viewers that will bare the brunt of this. It's a different culture over there.
Funding by the powerful anti-homebirth, midwife witch-hunting AMA, anyone???
I'm extremely disappointed in DP, not because he's against hb, but because of the obviously biased slant he is taking.
If he wrote, so you've had a hb, tell us how it was - good? bad? regrets? no regrets? Would you do again - or not? Would you recommend it - or not? Then I wouldn't have an issue with it. But he looking to dig dirt on homebirthing in a country that is looking to out-law homebirth. He is riding on the wave of BOBB. He just wants sensational stuff to rake a buck. Not impressed.
I hate it because women like my mother who lives in the US take Dr Phil's word on everything. So when their daughters say "I am thinking of a homebirth" they have to face opposition the whole way through....
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That's another huge thing isn't it Christy? It's not so much what you want yourself and if you take what he says with a grain of salt, so be it, but it's those that you are surrounded by who are often our biggest detractors, and if they are easily swayed or even scared into thinking that something is dangerous, then they will chip away at you and undermine your confidence until you have none left. This is probably more dangerous than anything else.
A couple of things, I doubt Dr Phil comes up with the show topics. He has a big team, it would be rare he sits around deciding shows. However the positive of having your own show, it will be your opinion. You're not going to get on and say the opposite. But as far as coming up with the solutions, it would be a a team effort. It's like ready, steady cook. The chefs don't have 2 minutes to think about what to cook,they stop filming for half an hour and about 4 people come on and write a menu!!! Very little to do with the actual "tv personalities".
His show is for entertainment, yes just like Jerry springers is, and majority of people watching want to feel better about themselves, therefore watching a show like this will do just that.
I would also think there is a reason for this show. Maybe there have been some recent problems with some particular homebirths. One thing is, he will have someone on the other side of the argument.
People will always rip apart anything on tv, in a book, newspaper etc, that's human nature it seems, but I would also think he has helped some people too.
But when it comes down to it, anyone in the minority can be entertainment and for some reason the audience finds a comfort in this. Its' all for ratings, don't be fooled.
I really dont have a problem with it either. It is quite possible that he already has a few people lined up with positive home birth experiences and he just wants to show both sides of the story. It is what good journalism is all about - balanced views.
I think alot of people here are jumping to conclusions and making alot of assumptions. The show may or may not be for or against home births - but everyone is assuming things about it before it has even aired!
In my veiw making an assumption about something without having all of the facts (such as actually viewing the show) just undermines any opinion you might hold on the topic. How can you condem something without all the relevant information? It is no better to condemn Dr Phils show on home births, then it would be for anyone to condemn homebirths themselves without having researched and made an informed decision.
As such I reserve the right to judgement after I have seen the show, and not to leap to any conclusions because of some seemingly skewed questions.
Furthermore, whilst I may or maynot then agree with the general premises of the show and Dr Phil's opinions in relation to home birthing, It won't seriously affect my opinion of the guy (which is pretty neutral atm). I mean there are alot of people whom I both agree and disagree with vehemenantly (sp?) in Life - Some of those I disagree on topics most passionately are some of my closest friends and relatives (not to mention fellow BB members), but a person can have a disagreeable opinion and still be a decent person.
I would hope (annd expect) that those on the board would show myself the curtesy of expressing my veiws in full about an issue BEFORE condemning me, and I fail to see why that same curtesy should not be extended to others - no matter their forum for expressing their opinion. And I have as yet to read any study, article or veiw any television or radio show that isn't in someway fundamentally biased. Humans are a flawed species and hold personal biases unlike any other creature. Fact are often skewed or ignored to fit in a persons personal truth about the world - and being famous does not make one exempt from such flaws.
Okay off my soapbox.
Ok off my soapbox.
Let's hope Rikki Lake (Home Birth supporter) responds to him.
I used to think that Dr Phil had some good advice to offer the masses of mainstream 'folks' out there... but more and more frequently i would find myself at odds with his message... especially his pro-war stance. I haven't watched him in years. Oh well, at least it gets people talking!
I think its a blatant attack on homebirthing and I also think alot of his other "topics" are ridiculous! Whether he actually decides these topics etc or not, HE is the person this show represents and all negative and positive feedback reflects on him.
He is in a position of authority and there may just be some very young people who listen to him as a learned figure and would take what he says as gospel. So he has a responsibility to give his viewers both sides of an argument and let them make their own minds up.
I thought about sending him my thoughts on his birthing/pregnancy topics but I cant do it without getting extremely narky so I will leave it others with better language skills than I.
Oh Dr Phil :rofl: I watch it sometimes because he just makes me laugh. He's supposed to be a psychologist but omg, well I have too many things to say here lol. (I'm a psychologist). Sometimes I do wish I could say some things he says to my clients tho.
I had a look at the different things he had on his website about pregnancy and birth and home births and hospital births that people posted and to me (and this might just be me) it looks like they are putting together a show all about pregnancy and birth (not just one show dedicated to putting down home births). However they are going to extremes with the bad and the worse of each situation. So pretty much if u watch this episode u will be s%$t scared to go anywhere or do anything when it comes to birthing your child. Its the way all of these talk shows work really. The whole shock value thing. The "traditional way" comment was a bit out there though (and thats coming from someone that had 2 c-sections that were planned).
I guess they will use the arguement too that everyone has a different view on what the traditional way is if u send them a letter saying that hospital isnt the traditional way. Im not trying to say that hospital is the traditional way or anything, I for some reason am always trying to think of things people will come back at me with if I write something :doh: