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i am really worried about whooping cough. Can the vaccine for this be isolated?
My doctor told me that it cant....
It is the only one I would consider giving. We are very concerned about the levels of heavy metals, teh connections to autism, the relevance of some of the vaccines (australia is now basically measles free apparently) in vaccinations...........
Any ideas? Any wys to boost any natural immunity to whooping cough?
you can get a homeopath to make up a whooping cough one. infact all can be done homeopathically
yeah i was looking into that - did message tracey but havent looked into it further....
its just really scarey, its the only one that i have a fear of........
i think if you are bfing her and she isnt being exposed to it (put in the trolley at the supermarket) type exposure you are doing the best any way to protect her..iykwim? being so close to you in her sling keeps her so much safer too.
check out here
www.visainfo.org.au
One of my friends doesn't vax and both of hers got whooping cough at 10months and 4 years.
I won't lie and tell you it was a walk in the park, both of them were quite ill for quite a long time BUT niether had to go to hospital, and both survived and got better within a few months. The 4 year old was no longer BF but the baby was and he definitely benefitted from the BM when he couldn't eat (they both lost quite a lot of weight).
When you made the decision not to vax you did so by weighing up the relative risks. I know it's scary when you are faced with the reality of the situation, but with no-vaxing you have to trust your decisions sometime hun! :) Eventually they are exposed and you deal with it as the generations before vaccines (who were generally in poorer health than you and yours will be, and no doubt got iller and died more often because of it!) did.
The only way to get immunity to a disease is to have the disease (or in some cases the vaccine, though not all vaccines use the actual disease cells to stimulate antibodies). Find a GOOD reliable homeopath to look after you all. My friends have a naturopathic doctor who understands and respects their aversion to western medicine and it makes a huge difference because instead of offering the same thing they don't want again and again they help them find alternatives.
Best of luck.
Bx
Kitt3n we don't vax ari as her big bro has autism and even the dr said he would risk it with our family history.
As hoobley said - you have to trust your instinct and research not to vax at some time. We recently had a measles outbreak here and I was in the same boat - freaking out about did we do the right thing etc. I changed a lot of my routines so she wasn't in high risk areas - Dr offices, supermarkets, schools, during the outbreak and told all my friends we weren't Vacinated and could they let me know if they or anyone they were close to had come into contact and we would stay away until it passed. Basically I was faced with this equation, measles, whooping cough etc very dangerous diseases but DD is a healthy little girl and we have access to good medical facilities if she did get sick where as autism is forever.
There is homeopathic info I can send you via pm if you like - very interesting.
Go to another Doctor.
Most of the vaccs have now been combined into one shot (!?!?!) to make things easier.
However, if you are against this, you CAN have them done seperately, you just need to find doctor who will do it. (IE get of their arse and do the work needed to obtain the vacc from the manufacturer)
You may have to pay for it.
Good luck - dont let them push you around hun, your baby, your choice.
sarah - wow i like the sound of your doc, one who admits it! mine said its all higwash and that we should re-think the vaccinations. He also told me DD no longer has thrush on her tongue (well she DOES!) and to use straight peroxide on her belly buttom. needless to say i am in the market for a new doctor.
ls - i didnt knwo you could break that one up?! yep, need a new doctor.
hoobley - yes i know i have to follow my gut instinct, thankyou for reassuring me of that.
doudou - as you say, i do keep her close. when we do the school drop offs she is in the sling (only twice has she been in the pram) that way kids cant touch her, and DD always washes her hands before touching her face. i'd never put her in a trolley thing eewww! he he
extra special thankyou to sarah for the pm's info.... i have looked at most of that as part of my research, just now to find who is that good homeopath! lol
Kitten - just for your reference...using Peroxide on the belly button is not a bad idea. Peroxide is probably one of the best disinfectants you can use. It isnt 100% pure or anything like as strong as you put on your hair to bleach it! You can buy it at the supermarket in the toiletries, comes in a little brown bottle Fauldings I think is the brand. It is fabulous . We use it on toothpaste, whitens your teeth and it very mild. Dont drink it or anything...but yeah the peroxide bit is pretty good value.
lol - LS he told me to you full strength hair peroxide!
I am pretty sure you can get it seperately. I would be asking someone else.
I would be getting it done too
From Ash to Little Laa ;) 7jlksdg ebf 4 g m 9 jgh ujtv6j gg op[
pmsl...well...uh, yes...move along Kitten!! lol
My Dad just had a pertussis booster today at the Dr's. So it does exist in single doses. Maybe research it yourself and then head to a new Drs and ask..... ETA- actually i am not 100
% they didn;t give him a combined shot.... will find out.
We selectively immunise. I read a great book called 'the vaccine book' by Dr Bob Sears. It provides good information about the diseases, their actual risks as well as the immunisations and their risks.
I will be getting pertussis immunisation done for this next one.
There is alot saying a single dose is not available, but i found this.....
It's from a NSW government website.:
Monovalent pertussis vaccine
A monovalent pertussis (acellular) vaccine is now available. The vaccine, by Smith Kline Beecham is known as PaRIX and is available through the Special Access Scheme (SAS). The procedure for accessing the vaccine can be facilitated by ringing the SAS Officer at the Therapeutic Goods Administration on (06) 232 8111.
Any queries may be directed to:-
Dr Kerrie Goldston
Area Immunisation Co-ordinator
Public Health Unit for Central Sydney
Queen Mary Building, Camperdown
Ph: 9515 3180
Falguni you are the BOMBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
***Kitt3n off to new doctor in the morning***
missymel - give ash a big kiss from laaa :) actually it would probably be more of a lick/nose suck kinda thing!!!
Ange, thanks so much for mentioning Bob Sears, I am having a fantastic time reading his info on vaccs (particularly MMR) and I think I will sleep well tonight :D
Kitt3n- i hope it is still available. Fingers crossed! I'd shoot the company an email and ask them. ;)
No probs Janie. I found the book great. You are welcome to borrow it.
Ange, I would love to sometime, if that's okay. I feel a bit weird borrowing something from you ATM though ;)!!!! As long as you know where it is :lol: The whole vacc thing is something that's been doing my head in for awhile, so it's great to read his stuff, it really works in with our philosophy.
:rofl: Here's me saying you can borrow it and i don't even know if it still exists!!! bahahahah. I thin kit was in my room, in which case it is around. If i stumble across it this weekend i'll let you know! ;)
Glad you're laughing about it hun!!! I was a bit worried later on my post was a bit insensitive. No dramas, don't kill yourself trying to find it. If it does turn up though I'd love to have a read. I'd buy it, but I've just ordered three parenting-type books (:o) so I think I'd better give the cc a rest.
Double post
Oooooo - what parenting books?? You know I would be interested ;)
REALLY basic ones Michelle, I should already have them. Both of the Elizabeth Pantley sleep ones (baby and toddler) and Raising Boys.
Hi
I read something recently about the whooping cough vaccine also being linked to autism (not just the MMR).
If you google "Dr. Mary Megson DTP vaccine" you should find the research she has done on this. In particular she says it is the Pertussis (whooping cough) part of the DTP vaccine that causes problems.
On the subject of homeopathic immunisation - I recently immunised our whole family for whooping cough using homeopathy. The homeopath said it can be given from birth whereas the regular vaccine is given at 2 months.
L.B.
My GP told me the other day that the whooping cough vaccine is only 70% effective and actually neds to be redone for older people as it wears off.
I had whooping cough 2 years ago even though I am vaccinated.
I am so glad I found this thread.
DD 8 months is not immunised. Recently we started going to a Homeopath and I hoped to get DD homeopathically immunised but she told me we were too late and we should just go with the Constitutional, whatever that means.
But, after arguing with DH YET AGAIN about the no immunisation situation, and with the Whooping Cough hoopla, I am contemplating getting the Whooping Cough only vaccine, if it is available.
I WILL be doing my research before giving though.
I just recently went through this where i was bullied by a GP to get Orson vaccinated. My only concern was the whooping cough. Well needless to say i got him jabbed and i feel absolutely rotten about it because its not what i wanted. I'm going to seek out the homeopathic option soon and im staying away from the GP!
Hon did you get the whole lot, or just the whooping cough one??
Are you talking to me? If so, i got the full lot because they told me you couldn't get it seperate.
My IL's are going nuts after they watched stoopid channel 7. I really wish they would list PROPERLY the reasons why some choose NOT to vacc.....
As far as I know it wears off after about 10 years. So if vacced as a baby its usually worn off by adulthood.:
Anyone that makes up their mind after watching some crap on Ch7 is hardly an authority on health :lol:
Do some reading on whooping cough, the mainstream vaccine isn't the best protection - outbreaks occur mostly in heavily vaccinated areas!
Hi Calebsmyum4eva and others
Maybe you should see a different homeopath. I am homeopathically immunising my three kids, ranging in age from 4 months to 8 years.We were told that this type of immunisation can be given effectively at any age, even if they have already had the standard immunisation. You can also get a homeopathic remedy to reverse the damage done by standard immunisations.Google 'homeopathy plus' for the immunisation kits.
On the whooping cough vaccine, this is the one that has been claimed to cause alot of damage to genetically suseptible kids, google 'Dr. Mary Megson pertussis vaccine' for more info.
Regards
L.B.
Yes, my research also has lead me most to be concerned with regard to the pertussis vax. Wishing you luck Kitten with your decision... :hug:
Antheia - if you do decide to have Orson's other shots later on, keep in mind that you CAN get them separately. You need to hunt for a doctor that will do them, and you need to pay for them...they are trying to make it as difficult as possible.
But any GP that tells you that individual vaccines are not available is lying or ignorant.
Alexis, can you tell me how I get them seperately? I want to get DD the pertussis vac but the Dr says the smallest one she can get is diptheria, tetnus, pertussis, and polio!! Is this true??
Heaven - the short answer is no. The doctor needs to source them and order them separately. This is work for them and if they cant be bothered they wont.
You will need to hunt down a doctor in your area who will give them separately.
PM your suburb and city, I will have a chat to my doctor and see if he knows a doctor there or where your doctor can get the vax from (im in Perth) Charlotte is going in next week for her tetanus injection.
Thanks Alexis. I'll PM you.
I'd love for them to split up hexa again.
For bfing mummies, something I learnt from a canadian study. If YOU get the whooping cough booster, 10 days later the antibodies for pertussis are in your milk. This can offer the baby passive protection from whooping cough. Its not the same as making their own, but your antibodies will fight off any infection while their body makes their own. The amount of antibodies does start to decline after 4 days, but it did cover them from 10do to 2mo in the studies. Might buy you some time.