Where is her 12 Week *Magical* change??

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OK - I am at my wits end and wondering if my DD missed that whole 12 week magical changeover :( :wall:

DD is 13 weeks and STILL needs to be held or rocked to sleep. I remember reading lots on BB that at 12 weeks things would change and most babies just "know" how to settle - im thinking DD missed out on that ability

We have a full nightime routine in place which starts at 6pm (bath, massage, book, breastfeed, sleep - she has hated being wrapped from 7 weeks so i dont even bother trying anymore) and i aim to have her in her bassinette by 7pm. She will fall asleep on the breast and as soon as i put her down in her bassinette she wakes up crying - i have tried to let her "self settle" and walk away from the crying, but i just cant do it and inevitably pick her up and hold her until she falls asleep again (this can take up to another 40 mins if she has worked herself up). i then sit with her in my arms for another 15 mins until i know she is completely "out" and then put her down again. When she wakes up for her feed at about 11pm the whole thing gets played out again - im really struggling and have spoken to my MCHN who said "Don't worry, she'll get it soon" - im like :wtf:i need some proper sleep and not feel stressed everytime it comes for DD to go to sleep!!

BTW : the above also applies to DD day sleeps (minus the bath, massage etc) instead i try to use the feed, play, sleep but she just wants to be held and rocked until she is completely unaware of her surroundings.

Any help/advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated as im starting to go bonkers especially as i have 3 friends and we all gave birth in the same week and all of their babies have been self-settling since 8 weeks...arrgghhh

If you got this far thanks for reading :lol:!

I've never heard of the 12 week magical change, with my little one I rostered to buying a hammock at 7 weeks it arived at 8 weeks old and was the best thing I did, as before she would only sleep if I continually rocked her or bounced her in the bouncer. But with older kids could not do that at all.

I also haven't heard of the magic 12 week marker, but I would not worry about what other babies around you are doing, as difficult as it is not to compare they're all different.

Does it really bother YOU to rock her to sleep? Or is it more other peoples opinions of it? Because I got the third degree from friends and family who would cr@p on to me about 'making a rod for my back' rocking DD to sleep, but I know DD and she needed reassurance and her mummy when falling to sleep. She grew out of it on her own, and now nods off in bed without a problem.

I personally would do whatever works to make bedtime and naptime stress free, if she goes down easier feeding to sleep/rocking to sleep I'd do it. It won't be forever.

However if it does bother you to do it, I recommend the no cry sleep solution book by Elizabeth Pantley. It's full of great tips to help you baby sleep better and longer.

Good luck! :)

thanks Sweetpea & Kristin :)

Apart from making my arms sore (DD is a little buddha!) i dont mind the rocking her to sleep - so yes, i guess im paying too much attention to other peoples opinions :redface: - being a first time mum everyone has an opinion on what i should and shouldn't be doing :rolleyes: and with the hormones still all over the shop i think i let it get to me too much - i think i need to just block them out and do what works for bub and me!

thanks again i really appreciate it :D

Have you thought about getting a baby sling, wrap or something to help take some of the weight of your arms, and maybe see if anyone has a hammock you could borrow and see if that works, to give your arms a break. But yeah you do what you have to, so that bub is happy and mum to.

My sister thinks I am odd as I wear my little one alot on my back as it lets me get other stuff done and she is happy there. So yep do what you need to do and don't worry about what others say.

My 22 month old still doesn't self settle and DD only does occasionally at 4 months. It depends on the child.

DS started with being fed to sleep, progressed to being rocked to sleep and now goes to sleep with one of us lying next to him. He occasionally goes to sleep on his own.

DD is fed to sleep but will fall asleep on her floor mat when she is tired (DS NEVER did this :rolleyes:) I believe she will self settle before DS. She still has sketchy day sleeps - power naps until last week. This week they are a little longer (and longer still if she is in a sling on me).

Each child is different and learns to sleep in their own way and in their own time. I can fall asleep anywhere / anytime but DH has different sleep cues that require specific settings (pillow, bed and night time primarily :rofl:) If you have no problem with feeding to sleep then do it. I chose the path of least resistance and settled the quickest and most convenient way for baby and me. It meant they cried less and I got more sleep ;)

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I personally would do whatever works to make bedtime and naptime stress free, if she goes down easier feeding to sleep/rocking to sleep I'd do it. It won't be forever.

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RIght on Kristin - great advice in your post!

I also have never heard of the magical 12 week mark and definitely agree with Michelle

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Each child is different and learns to sleep in their own way and in their own time

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I often fed my DD to sleep as we co-slept and it worked really well for us. I ended up running into an issue at the 6 month mark where she developed a sleep/breast association and would wake all night looking for a boob. Because of this I decided to end the feed to sleep system but it hasn't put me off using this settling method for other children I might be lucky enough to have ;). I have read many accounts from women on this site who said that they happily fed to sleep until their toddler gave it up themselves. Sounds good to me!

Have faith in what feels right for you and enjoy your gorgeous little buddha enjoying you!

Nothing magical here at 3 months either. Ok.. i'm going to be really lazy here and copy a reply I just did in this thread: https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...es-please.html Especially as I already lost my post once and had to re-compose it LOL. No mention of 3 months and maybe not 100% relevant, but hopefully some reassurance with dealing with a frequent waker, and feeding to sleep.

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DS fed to sleep for probably close to 2 years. We had a natural transition of feeding to sleep, to feeding in bed and staying with him while he fell asleep, and then once he weaned at about 26 months just lying with him until he fell asleep. Then at about 2 1/2 I started trying to leave him awake in bed and went back in a lot praising him for staying in bed and not getting up. Not long after, he was putting himself to sleep and not long after that started sleeping through regularly. We had a similar transition type thing with the co-sleeping. When it felt right, we started putting him to sleep in his own bed and he was still welcome in ours when he woke up, and he eventually started sleeping through.

DD self settled for about 7 months with a dummy & wrap, then progressed to needing rocking to sleep LOL. And still does. I think we're getting ready to start just lying down with her too to get her to sleep.

My advice is to follow their lead, but at the same time guide them if that makes sense. So while DS's going to sleep by himself wasn't necessarily led by him, we both kinda knew it was time to start trying if that made sense. So be reassured that you won't be feeding to sleep forever, things change & progress naturally, with very little resistance in our experience. And I do believe DS is a real success story.. he seriously is SOOOO good at going to bed. He just goes to bed and goes to sleep! You hear of toddlers and older children that keep finding excuses and get up all the time.. nope.. not here! LOL. Not even when we have visitors with kids to play with! He just says goodnight to everyone and co-operates and goes to bed! Only time he fights us is when he's overtired and cranky anyway. But he still doesn't get up haha. I do believe it's my hard work paying off

I had people telling me I was making a rod for my back, but I don't believe our end result is a rod for anyone's back! Plus if you're happy to feed to sleep or do whatever you need to do, then it's no one's business how you do it.. it's not them doing it is it.

Oh and also.. while people were tutting at our 'bad habits' they couldn't help being impressed that I could get DS to sleep absolutely anywhere.. didn't matter who's house we were at or where we were, just had to feed him and within about 15mins he was off. haha.

Enjoy it It definitely won't last forever. Don't doubt yourself, you'll know when to move on to the next stage. You're doing a great job

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I'll say again, don't doubt yourself. You're meeting the needs of YOUR baby, not someone elses. It is hard not to feel jealous of 'sleepers' but rest assured they will have sleepless/unsettled nights again somewhere along the line. hahaha.

I always tell myself I'm glad my babies never slept through and then regressed.. it's a bit like flying first class and then going back to economy! At least if I'm in economy the whole time I don't know the difference. I think it would be sooo much harder to go backwards.

Definitely keep doing whatever works for you, and try not to compare.. easier said than done, but keep reminding yourself of how well you're meeting your bub's needs :)

OK.. just re-read your post.. and you're feeling the sleep deprivation.. all i can suggest really is co-sleep. You can give a quick feed before she wakes up too much, you can do it lying down and then both drift back off to sleep. It is very tiring to actually get up and attend to bub and stay up trying to get them back to sleep. In the same bed, you can sort of fall into a sleeping rhythm with them and can do night feeds/settling half asleep. *hugs* hope you can catch up on a few zz's soon so you can keep going.

What magical changeover??? No one told me!

TBH, I think when bubs get to about 3/ 4 months old everyone is getting a little more used to a new baby in da house.

Any change is generally a little more slower to be apparent - the babies don't read the books but things like wonder weeks can be a great indication of what might come along next xoxoxoxo

Wow thanks ladies! - who knows maybe in my sleep deprived state i read about 12 week magical change in my imagination?? :rofl:

Liz - DD does fall asleep (and i mean dead to the world asleep!) while feeding but as soon as i put her down she wakes up! - I have also tried co-sleeping with her and she then thinks its conversation time for her and mummy :lol:

sweetpea - I have a HAB carrier which on a good day DD will enjoy being in but then other days she screams as soon as i put her in :wall:- I am going to see if i can maybe hire a hammock (no-one i know has one i could borrow) and see how that goes for her. - Does anyone know up to what weight the hammocks can be used cause DD is already 6.8kg (she's my buddah bubba :D) so im hoping she won't be too heavy for it?

You are all right and i need to do what works for me and bub and stop worrying about what others *think* i'm doing right/wrong. - I think because the MCHN was one of the ppl who said "Oh you're going to have problems down the track if you keep rocking her to sleep - just put her in her bassinette and let he cry for a little bit, it doesn't do them any harm" i figured it is was coming from a health "professional" i must listen and try to change things....but i am going to keep going with what works for me and bubs and bugger anyone who tells me different - at the end of the day if i am "building a rod" then I'm the one who has to deal with it, not them :D

Thanks again for your advice and support , i knew BB ladies would be able to give me some suggestions/advice to try!

Thinking about it - you see the magical change in retrospect....

I remember going WOW, he slept for xxx hrs and he has been doing it all week! Sometimes you don't notice/trust the change when it is happening.

Thanks Lulu - i think i will stop "looking" for it and just let bubs guide me :D

Ella-bear,

I used mine till she was 8 months old and 7.4kilos in the instructions it says to 15 kilos on the spring mine has then can get a heavy duty one. I have an amby hammock, shame you not near me could of lent mine to see if it worked.

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Wish i bought a hammock i think they look wondeful.

Im with the others please do what is best for you and bub.... if she needs your arms to sleep well so be it.... you know what i did when Ali was that little... he fall asleep i my arms and then wake in cot but if i kept my hand on him and just kept patting he would fall asleep once again then i could quietly walk away. Im talking 5 6 7 8 weeks of age.

Now Alistair is 9mths and he falls asleep with bottle in cot but if he doesnt want the milk he wont take the bottle...

I hope it gets better for you

Cheers bubno.3

Try wrapping your little one again which way are you wrapping ??? Arms down the side of bub or wrapping in the way the arm are covered but there up near her face? This works so well as theyre secure but still move their arms and have their hand near their face yet the wrap stops the reflex startle.. Hey i still use this wrap style with my 9 mth old on the odd occassion when he is soooo tired but just cant settle.... it works nearly everytime.

You can find the wrapping styles on line thats where i found it but i havent the link sorry

i hope this helps

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Try wrapping your little one again which way are you wrapping ??? Arms down the side of bub or wrapping in the way the arm are covered but there up near her face? This works so well as theyre secure but still move their arms and have their hand near their face yet the wrap stops the reflex startle.. Hey i still use this wrap style with my 9 mth old on the odd occassion when he is soooo tired but just cant settle.... it works nearly everytime.

You can find the wrapping styles on line thats where i found it but i havent the link sorry

i hope this helps

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I have tried both methods and she fights it all the way and only calms down once she's free! - She can be quite stubborn :doh:

my dd has never been wrapped, the mw did at the hospital and she screamed till they unwrapped her. She is also a thumb sucker hence why I think she never liked being wrapped.

sweetpea - glad to hear my bubs not the only one who doesnt like being wrapped - everyone has said to me "just keep wrapping until she gets used to i" - hmmm...i've been trying since she was 4 weeks and it ain't changing!

All bubs are different, my first was wrapped till 6 months, second dd was sort of wrapped still at 2, she used to hold her blankie and wrap herself up like a sausage lol. but i stoped tightly wrapping her at 6 month because she went into a hip brace but i actually had to wrap her arms in till she was well over one, she would get them out but would not go down unless wrapped in lol.

And this little one as I said hated it from the start, but likes to be snuggled in carriers lol.

I hope your bub settles for you soon.

i really want to reply to empathise. My 15 week old bub is very similar I had hired a hammock and would sit and rock/bounce her to sleep all day to try and get 45 minute naps. I sat there and she would wake between 5 -20 mins later and i would bounce again to get her back to sleep. Very tiring, i couldn't go anywhere. She was so overtired and grumpy and I just wanted to be able to enojy my baby.
Then I went to sleep school for a week and learnt so much about sleep. I also learnt a great way to teach her to self settle... now it does involved her making noise, but there is no timing and she never get's distressed.
Try it if you're comfortable, Make sure bub has a clean nappy, full tummy, has had some fun awake time, is tired enough to sleep and whatever else you use ie comforter dummy etc. (My baby won't take anything and hates being wrapped too). Lay bub down awake and tell her it's sleep time, give her a cuddle and walk out. now listen... If she's quiet leave her, if she's grizzling leave her, if she sounds distressed go back in and reassure her, calm her anyway you feel you need to ie pat on bum, shhhing, cheek to cheek etc avoid picking up but if you have to that's fine. When she's settled leave again (remember it's not about timing). Continue to do this up to half an hour, always get bub calm but not asleep. If after half an hour she's still not asleep help her a bit more, stay in a bit longer until she's asleep. You can just try again next time.
Distressed is continuous crying that makes you want to go get bub. if it rises and falls back down to a grizzle leave the baby they are still in control. GO in if you feel they are getting out of control and need you to reorganise their feelings.
Lily went from wrapped, breastfed to sleep then waking up as she was put in her hammock and bounced for about an hour to... falling asleep on her own in a cot unwrapped with 0 - 5 minutes grizzling by the end of the week.
I really like this method as i absolutely can't stand to let her cry, but I was able to let her learn to settle herself. No tears, no stupid timing, no rules about what you can and can't do, you're just listening to your baby and allowing them the opportunity to learn. Subsequently she now resettle herself at night and i get up to 6 hours when until 13 weeks she woke every 20 -45 mins around the clock.
She still catnaps but we're working on that and she is much happier. Teaching your baby to self settle painlessly is in my opinion such a wonderful gift

I hope this is useful

lily'smum - Wow thank you so much for posting this information - i will give it a go with DD and see how it goes :) -

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now it does involved her making noise, but there is no timing and she never get's distressed.
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Sounds like it involves them getting distressed if you ask me.. if that's the only time you can go back and settle them :(

Hi EllaBear...I think the only thing magical about 12 weeks is that bubs starts to notice what you're doing. They're suddenly so clever, and respond to the routines you create. For us, this happened negatively, with DD realising that sleep and boob were the best, and sleep minus boob was a no go! This meant DD would wake up everytime I placed her in her cot (yes, at every feed in the night too) and secondly because she started waking every hour through the night looking for a boob to resettle. I was a wreck. What started as a lovely thing suddenly wasn't so lovely.

So, at 12 weeks I had to make some pretty dramatic changes to the way I was doing things. I have included what I did in case you want some practical tips, but as the other wise BBers has said, first you have to decide if its a problem for YOU. I struggled with this for a while, because I felt so much pressure from the MCHN and the idea of what I *should* be doing, but in the end actively changing things actually made me feel more in control and less like things were spiralling into a sleepless nightmare.

So....this is what I did.

Step 1: STOP feeding to sleep! I swapped feeds to the start of her cycle (yes, a feed, play, sleep routine). I instead rocked her to sleep or used the sling. This took only a few days for her to get the idea that feeding and sleep don't go together. I also had to wake her up as she was feeding.

Step 2: Experiment with ways of soothing DD in her cot. Now this one was HARD. Of course we are all about gentle parenting, and no-cry solutions, so this took some patience and a lot of picking her up and trying something new. I tried patting, rocking the whole frame of the cot, but found holding her hands and placing my cheek to hers and humming into her ear, she stopped crying instantly. I had to do this over quite a few days so she was only crying for a short spurts as I tried to find out our no-cry solution to settling in the cot.

Step 3: Put DD to sleep in the cot ALL THE TIME. I had to stay home for a few days and stop using the sling etc.

Step 4: Put DD to sleep in the cot when she shows tired signs. When she cries comfort her, but stop BEFORE she falls asleep. So its a real start-stop approach. Start comforting when she cries and stop when she stops. This took persistance but it means DD learnt that she was ok, I was ALWAYS there and she could fall asleep on her own.

Step 5: know the difference between whinging and crying and try and ignore the whinging. Now most people would complain if there were put to bed without any say in it, and my DD does whinge a little sometimes (and some days a lot), but its like a grizzle and stops after a few minutes or so, and might start again. I call it her sleep story, but I am hovering like a hawk until she falls alseep to make sure I am right there as soon as she cries.

Soo...that's it. It felt a little bit harder on her than I ever thought I would be. But she never cried for more than 20 seconds at a time during this process and was ALWAYS comforted, and the results have been phenomenal. I used to spend 40 mins plus every day just to settle her for each day sleep. Now I sing her a song, put her in her sleeping bag and pop her in the cot. She is generally asleep within 5 minutes. Her naps have gone from 30mins only to up to 2.5 hours.

I hope this helps

Hi, Ella_Bear,

You said "I have also tried co-sleeping with her and she then thinks its conversation time for her and mummy"

You know those first nights where you slept with a new adult person? You just wanted to talk all night? But it soon wears off - and you feel comfortable together, and just sleep. Same with babies. Co-sleeping is something worth persisting with. At the start it's so fabulous just being with mummy, but after that she's just so nice and warm and comfortable to snuggle down to sleep with

3 months is usually an unsettled time regardless of what you're doing for sleep. So is 7/8 months. Often just riding it out and finding the thing that works best at the time is the way to go. We've fed to sleep, and yes there are times where it feels they're using the boob too much, but it passes.. it really does.. and there's usually a reason that they're feeding so much.. growth spurts (yes 12 weeks is a common time for a growth spurt), teething, warding off sickness... it's usually worth persisting with feeding.

co sleeping makes the frequent feeding much much easier.. you hardly wake up for it.

The method i used really doesn't make the baby distressed. I wouldn't have been able to do it if it did, because listening to my bubba cry makes me feel physically ill! I guess you'll just have to trust me on that one as a lot is lost in my translation. It sounds very similar to what anna used and i found exactly the same thing, lily will settle with cheek to cheek and gentle whispering. Maybe Anna explained it better?
I would love to hear how you went Ella Bear

anna- when did you start doing that? I've tried to settle DD in her bassinette but she doesn't get it, lol. I've tried rocking, patting, singing, etc, but she just wants to be picked up. So I'm thinking maybe she's just too young yet and she can't go to sleep on her own, or without being held so I should stop trying and wait a bit. So just wondering when you started?

Hi Heaven, I started this at around 12 weeks because by this age she seemed to be communicating with me more. For example, I started identifying her "I'm tired" cry as opposed to just a cry. When I discovered this, I realised she would cry in my arms or the cot because she really was tired and needed sleep, so I tried comforting her instead of feeding her all the time, and discovered she would sleep without the boob. Then it was the next step to the cot, and comforting her there. (I also think that at 12 weeks they are more settled in general, so they seem to be more open to trying new things...that being said, I still had to work at this).

I would say hold out if you can for the moment. The first 12 weeks its important to establish trust and to really get to know your baby. That way when you want to change things, you can read them like a book, and know you're doing the best thing for both of you.

Don't second guess yourself, and think you're setting up bad habits - there is no such thing I think. Babies are very easy to change if you want it to change. They learn by repetition and consistency. My solution took a few weeks (longer than any CIO methods) but I think the gentler approach is VERY important (but you have to be aware there is some crying involved...she liked things the way they were, so it is reasonable to expect some whinging etc).

Are you coping ok with the way things are?

Ella bear :hug: I feel for you! I'm going thru the EXACT same thing....

As soon as my DD turned 12 weeks , this last week shes gone all different on me!!! She won't sleep... if she does its not longer than 20mins!!!!! :wall:
Yesterday she woke at 5am and did not sleep again until 7pm last night I KID YOU NOT!!!
it was a really crap day!!!!!! LOL

Lately DD is feeding to sleep.... I don't like her doing that but hey whatever works to help me get thru this..... its so exhausting not getting to rest during the day isnt it? It feels like I have a newborn again!!!
DD has been up every 3hrs in the night too.... feeding often again.

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I've never heard of the 12 week magical change, with my little one I rostered to buying a hammock at 7 weeks it arived at 8 weeks old and was the best thing I did, as before she would only sleep if I continually rocked her or bounced her in the bouncer. But with older kids could not do that at all.

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When did your little one outgrow the hammock?? My DD has slept in hers since day 1 and the last week she's outgrown it as she whinges and fusses and turns on her side in it and acts all uncomfortable in it.... so we have had to put her in her cot now!!! We have fears she'll turn over onto her tummy (shes nearly rolling over) and suffocate!!

Thanks Anna, I was thinking 12 wks. I think I read somewhere they don't have the ability to self-settle before 12wks and you can't form bad habits before then anyway. So for now I will keep going this way with the sling and anything that works and at 12wks will try to start setting up a bed time routine and see how it goes. Will hopefully work and then bed times will be a lot easier for me!!

Thanks heaps for all that information, I'll let you know how it goes! I'm coping ok with things atm, thankyou!! :hug:

Anna -I like your post... I'm going to try this on DD thank you!! It seems do-able! I'm printing out your post now and sticking it to the wall in the nursery so i can use it and its close by LOL i will let you know how it goes.

Sara - Ava has self settled herself a few times since about 7 weeks old!! So some babies can do it... but I believe she will only do this if I get her wrapped and in her cot well immediately as she shows tired signs. I thought "hey this is easy!!" lol if i miss her cue's even by delaying 5mins it can be too late....we were going so well with it up until the last week! now that shes 12wks something changed LOL

Hi Renstar,

The hammock that I have is an amby and dd stayed in it till she was 8 months, this is when she rolled onto her tummy in it. She had been able to get on her side from about 3 months in it. She was comado crawling at 6 months so it did not coinside with what she could do out of it.

Bub did go through a few days at certain times where she seemed uncomfy in it but that passed after a few days. Like anything they do that in the cot etc at times to. If she had not rolled onto her tummy she would still be in it.

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Hi Renstar,

The hammock that I have is an amby and dd stayed in it till she was 8 months, this is when she rolled onto her tummy in it. She had been able to get on her side from about 3 months in it. She was comado crawling at 6 months so it did not coinside with what she could do out of it.

Bub did go through a few days at certain times where she seemed uncomfy in it but that passed after a few days. Like anything they do that in the cot etc at times to. If she had not rolled onto her tummy she would still be in it.

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Thanks Sweetpea.... well DD has been able to get onto her side (while wrapped) a few times now... so maybe I should persist with the hammock for a bit longer? Sounds to me like I've given up on it too soon for fear she'd roll onto her tummy. It would be hard doing that whilst wrapped surely?? Shes in our room in it and i'm not ready to let her sleep in her cot in her own room yet... which she has been for past 3 nights :( just isnt the same.... i like co-sleeping (sharing room).
(sorry Ella bear to invade your thread)

Renstar, dd is in my room in the cot now all my kids stay in with me till they are at least 18month, yeah maybe try the hammock again. my bub slept on the side in it from about 4 months till 8 months but took alot longer to get all the way over.

Thanks Sweetpea - I much prefer DD sleeping in our room with us until she's at least 6mths... sure makes b/feeding her easier. Walking to another room is tiring in the middle of the night!! And it wakes DD up too much! I'm going to try the hammock again tonight. She's in her cot at the moment in her own room.
I'm going to PM you so i don't keep taking over this thread!!!! :redface:

Sorry have been MIA!

Well I am happy to say that things have improved dramatically and Lily's mum, it worked using your techique :D - she did (and still does) grizzle initally when i put her down but i dont let her get to the distressed stage - i also bought a fischer price peek-a-boo water soother thingy which attaches to the side of the cot ( i have moved her out the bassinette and into her cot!) and when i put her down in her cot i turn the soother on and it lasts for 18min (has music lights and movement) which gives enough time for her to settle :D - so, so far so good!! - And yes, i agree with your comment about things being lost in translation as your method did work for me (with a few adjustments to accommodate my DD) and i NEVER let her get distressed - so Thank you! :D

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The method i used really doesn't make the baby distressed. I wouldn't have been able to do it if it did, because listening to my bubba cry makes me feel physically ill! I guess you'll just have to trust me on that one as a lot is lost in my translation. It sounds very similar to what anna used and i found exactly the same thing, lily will settle with cheek to cheek and gentle whispering. Maybe Anna explained it better?
I would love to hear how you went Ella Bear

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Yay that's great news Ella-bear :) You just have to read your own baby and work out what they're ready for :)

Nothing I did could get DS to not feed to sleep, so I pretty much didn't bother changing it.. he changed over time. DD self settled for 7 or 8 months... then that all went up the creek LOL once she was mobile.

We all get there in the end tho :)

Thanks Liz :) - yes im much more relaxed now (but im sure it'll change again as they are continually growing and becoming more aware!! lol)

Ella Bear - thats great news !! Well done :clap: