TTC after Miscarriage or Loss ~ September 07 #2

Leila - my D&C was on 13 August - just gone 6 weeks. AF showed up 6 weeks to the day, and it's full-on right now. 2 weeks ago I had a lot of cm aswell, but don't think I actually ovulated as such. Should be a different story in 2 weeks time though. My Ob's opinion is that there is no advantage or disadvantage in waiting to ttc again. I trust him implicitly, he's extremely experienced and up to date with current trends. So, with that in mind, my DH and I will be trying to catch the egg in 2 weeks time.

Hope your AF turns up in the next week or so, but don't be alarmed, sometimes she takes longer, hang in there, and try to keep busy and distracted :rolleyes: yeah right!! I just keep telling myself "well, you'll be pregnant again soon, so meantime enjoy being able to do things without feeling nauseous, and eat soft cheese and sushi, and have a wine or two etc etc etc"!

Lee xo

Hi Everyone!!! Hope you're all well, and not going too mental! Ive been away for 5 days, so Ive just tried to catch up on all the posts and my head is spinning.
Our trip to Exmouth was exactly what the doctor ordered, though I drank a little too much and ate FAR too much. The highlight was a whale watching tour I went on, which was magnificent. I went by myseld while DP looked after DD. It was soooo lovely to have that experience, but also to have the time entirely to myself, as this is something I dont often get. We must have seen about 20 humpbacks which was amazing. Now we're back to the reality of home, its back on the wagon (so to speak) of behaving and TTC. I think Im either day 13 or 14 today, so I expect to O anytime. Then I'll be in for the dreaded TWW again. Does it ever get easier?? Anyway, sorry about the lack of personals, will definitely try to catch up over the next couple of days. Take care girlies!!;)

Hi Leila,

I am 7 weeks and 3 days since d & c and still waiting for AF to show, I have and very little EWCM, manily CM. On and off the last week a little bit of crampy but still not AF, I am now taking the herbal supplement vitex. Hopefully, this regulates everything. Good luck

Mumstar - I've read a bit about vitex on a few of the threads, but don't know a lot about it. Have you had vitex prescribed to you by a naturopath, or is it just something you're trying yourself? And can you pick it up from local chemist, or only through naturopath? Am considering giving it a go myself, but not sure if I should go through a naturopath to get the appropriate dose (as I understand you need to be weaned off it once pg????).

mammal - yeah it could be fibroid related. I guess that's good enough reason to get the lap done even though I don't need to for TTC reasons. At least they'd clear it out and things might go back to normal.

kaib - Vitex is just from the chemist. I fell pregnant a few weeks after starting to take it then the next pregnancy took 5 cycles whilst on it. Prior to being on it, it took me 3 years to conceive (but that was with a different partner so not sure if it had anything to do with it).

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Hi Leila,

I am 7 weeks and 3 days since d & c and still waiting for AF to show, I have and very little EWCM, manily CM. On and off the last week a little bit of crampy but still not AF, I am now taking the herbal supplement vitex. Hopefully, this regulates everything. Good luck

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It took me 7 weeks and 4 days after my natural m/c before I got AF for the first time... I'm sure it'll come for you soon

Hello everyone,

Kaib - i decided to take vitex for myself. I wil stop once (praying) that I am pregnant. It is a herbal supplement. I bought it from chemist for about $11.00 (Blackmores). The bottle reccom'ds 3 x day before meals. I feel like I need to try something to encourage AF. It's starting to drive me nuts!! lol. I want to be able to start obsessing on ttw. At least then, I know my body is back to normal. Good luck

Mumstar & Satya - thanks so much for your feedback on vitex. I'm a little ambivalent about going on it - my cycles have been 28 days exactly since D&C, so I wouldn't be taking it for regulation of cycles as such. I was mainly hoping that it would plateau any hormone irregularity out to improve chances of conception - I experience extremely severe PMS - extremely emotionally labile (volatile!), along with a whole lot of other symptoms. I've made an appointment to go back & see my naturopath, whom I have only seen twice before, and that was before I had m/c. I will see what she says...she had me on a tonic last time to improve my chances of conception (but that was before I even knew I was pg). Thanks again for your input - I will certainly keep the vitex in mind. I hope you are hanging in there Satya. And hope the vitex brings you a BFP next month Mumstar. Regards,

kaib - the reason I went on Vitex was for pms - mood swings in particular. My mum bought them for me as my then partner mentioned to her that I was suffering from them. I didn't find any change in cycle at all but my mood swings got a lot better. I only realised that people take it when TTCing after I had just found out I was pregnant after trying for 9 months but had only been on them for about 6 to maybe 8 weeks and I was 5 weeks pregnant when I tested positive.

My AF arrived this morning so I guess that's what the odd BM bleeding was all about. That give me a 24 day cycle this time with a 7 day LP. I expected a longer cycle due to all the stress I've been under but instead a get a short one. I'm thinking maybe I might be heading towards menopause. Short LP can be a sign of that.

Hi Everyone! My trip away was awesome.....just what I needed! We went white water rafting it was Brilliant! then the next day we went out to The Barrier Reef and went Parasailing it was Fantastic! Green Island is beautiful! On the way up DH and I had a discussion about TTC again DH felt it was best to wait a cycle and try again after AF.....I was okay with it too but something was niggling at me I had signs Of Ovulation the day before and that day too....espescially the increased libido hahaha! and wasn't sure if I should say anything just in case? but I haven't been wrong about my signs yet? and I have always Fallen pg......so when we were high above the reef parasailing I turned to him and said "you know your plan about waiting a cycle?" .......I think it's a bit late for that? :) he was fine and said oh well if it happens it happens :) so we'll see now....I've decided not to obsess and count the days I really am of the frame of mind to just wait and see and am busying myself with other stuff for now anyways hahaha!
So how is everyone doing? I have tried to catch up on some posts but not all as I haven't got too much time.
Good luck to everyone at whatever stage you are all at.....
Dawneee :)

Morning everyone!
Dawnee- Im glad you had such a great time on your trip. Sounds fantastic, and probably exactly what you needed. Who knows, this may be your month, because you were so relaxed. Hope so. Its so nice to get that change of scenery, it really makes everything feel fresher.:D
Satya - Hows things? Hope you're doing OK. Hope it's not the start of menopause for you. Arent you too young? Sometimes a good indicator is your mother's experience, maybe its worth asking her. Have you decided about the lap?
Big hellos to everyone else. Starrysky- how are you??
Ive got a question about ewcm. I know its fertile, but does it mean you have, are about to, or will ovulate? Whens the best time to bd.On, before or after? I know I sound obsessed but it's doing my head in, cause i obviously want to get the timing spot on if I can. I know you should just bd regardless (which we have been), but to be honest, its getting to the stage where I have NO libido, cause it feels so bloody mechanical, knowing you have to do it at certain times. Does anyone else feel like this?:redface:

Hi Beaksie: Thanks it was a great trip and I would be very surprised if I haven't conceived again but we'll just wait and see now.....that's not the part that worries me now :( it's carrying full term :(,Good question about ewcm I have always wondered the same thing....I find that my Libido increases so much when I ovulate and then I get the ewcm too just to confirm that my DH hasn't turned into a sex God to me hahaha! it's all explained by hormones :) I know what you mean about becoming mechanical we felt like that when TTC the first time.....2nd time I didn't realise I ovulating till we had already started Bding....and the same this time.

It seems to me the ewcm is the best timing I think it helps those little swimmers.

And yes sometimes it feels like it is a job taking care of business rather than fun and love etc.

I'm tired of this. I'm even over bothering testing, I feel like each successive cycle after the m/c I get less (fake) symptoms, less hope, less energy to pick myself up and start again. Meh. Can feel AF is definitely going to turn up tomorrow.

Sorry... just feel so over it.

Hang in there kiwigirl, the whole thing sucks doesn't it? :( Just imagine holding your baby for the first time, thats what keeps me going.:hugs:
Thinking of you

Beaksie - I'm 41 and although my mum went through it far older than that her sister started in her late 20's and had to have treatment to have my cousin. I'm probably just over reacting. Because of the weird bleeding I've had this cycle I will probably still have the lap but only if it can be at a convenient time for work... otherwise I might have to put it on hold for now. You need to BD before you ovulate so if you see EWCM then you'd better get busy.

Kiwigirl - the last time I was pg I so thought AF was coming so you never know. I'd had a number of symptoms but in the last couple of days I had less and then got that feeling that she was coming but she didn't. I so hope that's whats happening to you.

I was starting to feel completely hopeless about the chance of ever TTCing again but then I read of a 46 yo woman having a m/c. Maybe there will still be time for me to find a new man and give it another go.

Hi girls,

Will pop in and do personals later in the week...sad post tonight ... AF is here. I was pretty confident she wasn't coming this time as i have had some major preg symptoms, but i guess they have just turned out to be PMS symptoms instead! We have now been TTC for a year and we have had our most recent m/c during this time - so things are getting a little hard now. Thinking of looking into IVF stuff. Anyone know anything about it? Any advice appreciated. Sorry for no personals but just feeling so down about it all.

Hi... I've been lurking and looking for a bit as I guess I'm now TTC after my recent miscarriage. Was a little hesitant to introduce myself as we're going through IVF, which isn't exactly your normal method of TTC! :rolleyes:

But, I saw your question, littlescottishboy, and thought I would pop in - ask away and I'll help out as much as I can. It's a fairly complicated process if you get stuck on the finer details, so I won't jump in there and scare you. But anything you want to know - just ask.

BW

Welcome to the thread BW. I was just about to head towards IVF but split with my DF before we got there. Even though I'm not currently TTCing (bit hard when you haven't got a man, but have an exboyfriend in hot persuit) I haven't managed to leave BB yet. This particular thread was my saviour through my last two m/c's and I just can't go just yet.

Welcome BW, so glad you popped your head in, i hope you stay with us (but only for a short time iykwim).
Satya - hugs sweety, we dont want you to go anyway !!!
littlescottishboy - sorry AF came hun, i have been really confident that we caught the egg this time too, but i bet AF will come for me too. i am thinking of you hun.
Kiwigirl - oh sweety dont give up, but i do know how you feel. Its so hard to keep feeling positive with each new cycle. we are all here for you hun.

Well today i have been feeling really off, i went to BigW at lunchtime today and nearly passed out. I just felt really hot and shaky. I really hope im not coming down with anything, i dont want to be too sick to BD next cycle. Will probably do a test on monday morning, its my bday on Wednesday and thats the day AF (witch) is due, wouldnt it be a nice present to get a BFP on my bday !!! like that will ever happen.

Well im going to get an early night i think...ill talk to you lovely ladies over the weekend.

hugs
treelo

Kiwigirl~ Please don't be discouraged! I feel excatly the same as you and it hurts and is so frustrating but we have to remember that our time will come, for sure. Those couple cycles ttc I was so excited to test and now I don't want to unless its necessary. Gosh I NEVER knew it would be so hard. I am here for ya I feel like we have been through this whole process together so why can't we BFP's Together!!! Geez too much to ask???? :)

Diane and Kiwigirl - i wish there was something i could say to make it easier but i know that the only thing would be for both of you to get that BFP so instead ill just send you :grouphug: lots of hugs. Hang in there, your time is coming, it might be just around the corner !!!

hugs
treelo

Thank you for the very warm welcome. And a very big thank you to you, treelo. It's kind of comforting to stumble across familiar faces again - even though it's sad circumstances that have caused it to happen for both of us.

BW

treelo - Happy early birthday - I know that I'm going to be wayyyy too busy to hop on much over the whole of next week so I thought I'd say it now :P

BW - Welcome to the thread - here's hoping your stay is rather short

Hi everyone, thought Id drop in for a catch up...

Kiwigirl- Sorry you're feeling down. We all know where you're coming from when you say you're over it. I get so tired of struggling with conception, only to then lose the baby (again and again). Thankfully I have DD, and I know you'll get there too!! I find I get so jealous of the girls who get preg and actually ENJOY it. That loss of innocence isnt something you can get back.

Satya- Glad you're feeling a bit more positive. You've had such a crappy couple of months, but it's all going to get better.By the way, we dont want you to go either :hug:

LSB- Sorry about AF :( You're like me. My pre menstrual symptons are identical to preg ones. It's enough to do your head in!

BW - Welcome. I hope your stay in this thread is short and sweet

Treelo - Here's hoping for a birthday Bfp for you. How sweet would that be? :crossfingers:

Zionsmum - Hi. It's not too much to ask. We will get there!!

Lizjessie - How are you?

As for me, Im not sure where I am. Im on about cd17, but cant tell if or when I O'd. Hopefully I got it right, though there was no ewcm like last month, sa hard to tell. I usually have an exact 28 dayer, so hopefully we've hit the mark. If not...well there's always next month! Hi to everyone I've missed. Hope you're having a great weekend. Go the CATS!!:D

Satya - apologies for the belated response; thanks for sharing your experience with using vitex for PMS; I have the same mood swings as what you've described. I will discuss with naturopath on Thurs - my guess is that the naturopath will probably prescribe something same/similar anyway! Thanks again.

Afternoon all, just thought i would pop in and catch up on some posts.

LJ - thank you for early birthday wish. I have decided its either going to be a really great day or a pretty depressing day !! Lest hope for the BFP.
BW - I know what you mean about familiar faces, it can make it just that little bit easier. So where are you with the IVF at the moment?? I know a little about it but not too much. From what i have learnt through Smithy's journal its the pill, then the spray, then the injections then egg pick up, then fertilisation and then finally transfer. Is that right??? We are with you all the way hun. :grouphug:
Beaksie - My fingers are crossed that you caught the egg sweety :crossfingers:

:hello: to everyone i have missed.

We have had a nice day a my mums, the boys had a lovely swim and now im home ready to get stuck into some ironing.
Hope your all having a great weekend.

hugs
treelo

treelo, that's pretty much correct for a full IVF cycle.

Although, for oddballs like me, it's the pill, horrendous bleeding, more pill, synarel (spray), more bleeding, no response, trigger, no response, progesterone tablets, more bleeding, lucrin (injections instead of spray), then FSH injections (puregon), no response, too much response, trigger, EPU... then ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome and no transfer. *sigh*. IVF was rough on me.

But I did at least manage to get some embryos in the freezer, so we're doing frozen embryo transfers now. My little Caterpillar was a FET, and this cycle is going running in very much the same way - right down to being sick in the same way at the same time of my cycle and needing the same antibiotics!

My FS prefers to do natural cycles, but I don't ovulate without assistance. For me, a frozen embryo transfer cycle involves taking drugs to force my body to ovulate - I take letrozole on days 4-8, which is similar to clomid (taken for 5 days at the start of the cycle), but operates on a different mechanism in the body. This is my third cycle on it - I used it on a break cycle between my stim cycle and my first FET. When we hit day 12 or so of my cycle I start going in to the clinic for blood tests to check hormone levels. When they spot the LH surge, they schedule a transfer for 5 days after ovulation. The night before transfer I use a crinone pessary, then it's back to the clinic where we get to see our embryo through the microscope before it goes back in, then I try to not go insane for 9-10 days before final blood test. If it's positive, we book in to the FS for a scan around 2 weeks later, if it's negative, we wait for AF and start the letrozole again.

So... that's the big scary IVF essay - mostly! Where I am at the moment... day 9 of my cycle. So I had my last dose of letrozole last night, and the hot flushes should start to subside in a day or so, and my anxiety levels will steadily build until ovulation, and then decline again. My first blood test with the clinic is on Tuesday, which will be day 12. The results then will determine when I next have to go in. I started not-safe-for-pregnancy antibiotics today, and will finish them in 10 days (sinus infection). From previous cycles, I'll ovulate around day 18-20, so we're about two weeks away from transfer, and I'll be finished the antibiotics well before then. The best thing about our blastocyst embryos, the TWW is nearly half over before we're even in it!

And there it is - making babies the complicated and high-tech way. The only difference with this cycle compared to last one is that on the day of transfer I double my dose of prednisone. There's some evidence that my miscarriage was caused by my over-active and slightly confused immune system, and we're hoping that this will help prevent it happening again.

I hope I haven't frightened anyone with all the IVF information - I've had a much more complicated journey through it than most, and I do tend to get carried away when someone gives me an excuse to share what I've learned about it all.

BW

Beaksie - I'm ok - a lil disappointed that Power lost the grand final but also happy that Geelong have finally won one! LoL!

treelo - I'm sure it will be a BFP :P My dads birthday is 2nd October, a day before yours :P I'm hoping to give my dad news around christmas time that Im UTD, I can only hope can't I?

BW - all I can say is WOW.How do you stay sane?? Your bub will be one very longed for and loved little one when it arrives. Thats such an amazing and surely exhausting thing to have to go through each month. I hope you dont have to do it too many more times. Good luck chickie!!

Beaksie, who said I was sane? :p I'm a bit of a worst-case-scenario when it comes to IVF, and it's all because of my PCOS. It's been an interesting and long journey and it has changed me - some for the worse, much of it for the better.

I've typed up a very long post, and then deleted it. I'm really not sure how all this will sound... but...

I didn't join this thread to invade the M&L forums with talk of IVF. There's an area of BB already set up for us to do that, and I do spend a lot of time there.

I joined this thread because having been through a miscarriage, I know there's going to be a lot of scary and intense emotions around our next step towards a pregnancy. I know that when I do get pregnant again, whether it be from this transfer coming up or another, there's going to be a lot of fear and anxiety... I'm not entirely sure of what I'm trying to say. :doh: I guess it comes down to the fact that I'm not here to educate more people about IVF (I do that too much in real life anyway!), I'm here to find help and support in preparing myself for the challenges of being pregnant again after a loss...

It's not that I don't want to talk about what IVF involves... I'm just worried that I'm talking about it too much here. Make sense? I'm probably just worrying too much (tend to do that), but I really, really don't want to make anyone uncomfortable here!

BW

BW i have sat here for a good 20 minutes trying to find the words to express what i want to say to you. As a person who has never had anything to do with IVF until i came to BB, i have followed the couragous journey of many woman doing ivf, including yourself, and to tell you the truth, i had no idea how hard it was for some couples to concieve a child. I have gained a great respect for any couple taking this road to conception and I feel honoured that you felt you could share your ivf story with us because i feel that it is very personal thing.
I have been following your journey hun and you have come along way since loosing your precious catapillar. When i saw your post here i felt that it was just another huge step you have made. And even though your not here for the ivf support, i think its still important for us to understand the process that you have to go through, so we can understand and support you fully.
Gee i hope this makes sense, to you BW and to everyone else. I tend to ramble sometimes !!
Anyway i think its way past my bedtime, i just needed to get that out otherwise i dont think i would have slept very well.

hugs to everyone
treelo

Hi ladies,

Just wanted to pop in and say hi. Have had a few difficult days. My ex is madly trying to get me back saying how much he loves me and that he isn't with his young chick anymore, saying how he doesn't care if it takes 10 years he will win me back. Unfortunately he doesn't realise I am in contact with his family and they know he was with her even this morning as she answered his phone. They all hate her which makes me feel somewhat better as they all loved me. They are keeping me informed to protect me from him. They don't want him lying his way back in to my life only to destroy it for the third time. This is very handy info to have when I was starting to weaken slightly. The info came to me at the perfect time. I will not weaken and let him back in to my life. Liar.

I managed to swap my car yesterday. Got rid of the V8 & on Monday I pick up a nice little Barina...top of the range model for it's year. Everyone including people in a car club told me I'd be very lucky if I got nine to ten grand for a trade in. The Barina was $13450 on the road and I didn't have to pay a cent so as I see it I got a $13450 trade in. If I'd sold it privately I could have got possibly $15,000 but would have had to deal with a lot of idiots wanting to test drive a high performance car. I'm very happy. One less reason for my ex to return... he loved my car.... funny thing is his girlfriend has a similar car.

Well done on being strong, satya. I just can't imagine how painful it would be to be in your position right now, but you truly are doing the best thing for yourself.

treelo, makes perfect sense. Nice to find someone else rambles a lot when sleepy. Still not entirely sure of what I'm thinking and feeling, but I'm sticking around anyway.

Day two of my antibiotics and I'm feeling marginally better. But I've pretty much completely lost my voice now, so I sound even worse. Such a badly timed sinus infection, but it is mirroring my first FET exactly. Just a shame that DH is away - I can't talk to him on the phone because I either squeak or croak. It's hard to tell whether my increasing anxiety levels are from hormones, or just knowing that I'm getting ever closer to my transfer and being pregnant again... and having to face that scary reality.

BW

Hi everyone.
again I am sorry, I havent been around too much. I am currently in the throws of the TWW, not nice, I really have no hope of being PG this cycle but as I am sure you can all empathise with, my body is playing tricks on me with all the usual PG symptoms that I am trying to think rationally about ( its just pms etc...) but it really is doing my head in if I think about it too much.
BEAKSIE How you goin chickie? Hope all is well.
BW I was happy to see you in here, I have followed your journey ever since your kind words to me on my very first day in bb. I hope I can be as supportive of you as you were for me.
satya stay strong girl! It will be nice for you to have anew car, new life etc. Whatever doesnt kill us can only make us stronger!
To everyone ( and I know there are more than a few!!) that I have missed I am not ignoring you I send you all big hugs and handfulls of babydust.
Heres hoping that this month will see a slew of BFPS!!!
P.S.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOR WEDNESDAY TREELO!!XXXX

Afternoon all. Well unfortunatly its no joy for me this cycle, AF came today.
Im wondering if anyone can help me with a question. Before my m/c, i was as regular as clockwork, every 28 days af would come, i could almost pin point it to the hour ! But for my last two cycle, af has come 2 days early. Also this cycle i used OPK and it put O a day or two early.
So do i have a 27 day cycle now? Would vitex be of any help to me?? im really stressed and sad, im trying not to think about it but i just really thought this cycle was it for me...

sorry for the selfish post.....and thank you Starrysky for the birthday wish...

treelo

I am so sorry Treelo, that this wasnt your month.....
From what I have read elsewhere having your cycle stuffed up is pretty common after m/c. I have only had one af since mine, so I dont really know personally....
I think there is a thread somewhere dedicated to the vitex stuff with lots of info.
No need to apologise, what are we here for anyway?!?
sending you big hugs.

Treelo, I'm really sorry to hear that AF arrived. Afraid I can't help with the cycle questions as I've never had a cycle without ovulation being forced by drugs. From what I have read, it's not that unusual for things to get out of whack after a miscarriage. I hope that you can still enjoy your birthday when it gets here despite the bad news. :hug:

Starrysky, thank you for your welcome. It is certainly making it easier for me to see so many familiar faces here.

On my side of things - I'm still getting interesting hot flushes from my ovulation induction drugs, still feeling pretty unwell, but can feel that I'm improving now. DH finally comes home tonight (he's been gone since Wednesday morning for work), and I have my first blood test tomorrow morning. Feeling excited and scared about it, despite having had this drug work for me twice before, I'm starting to get really quite anxious over whether it will work this time... I'm starting to suspect the increase in anxiety levels is from hormonal changes, as I stop feeling so anxious once I ovulate. Does this happen to women who ovulate naturally? I'm trying to work out whether it's a natural response to the hormones my body is now making, something specific to me, or something specific to the drug that I'm using.

BW

Treelo - Sorry that AF turned up. We can be cycle buddies again. Make sure you enjoy your birthday and have all the things that you would have had to avoid in pregnancy *hugs* I'm sure some of the girls that are using vitex will be able to help with your questions about it.

Starrysky - good luck in the TWW - I hope time flies by and you get your BFP soon!

Satya - Congrats on the new car purchase, now you'll be able to zip around town.

BW - I can't help you with what happens normally around ovulation, as I need Clomid to ovulate. I don't notice any extra anxiety around ovulation, but then I don't remember being relaxed either. Sorry I can't help. I do always get ovulation pains on my right side, so I know it's working.