Babies Born March 1st - 15th 2008

poopy as weepy in his sleep.
so im back.

shell - poopy sometimes pulls on and off and also wrestles at my boob like a croc with a prey. the mcn said today it could be cos he might be getting impatient with the let down or it's almost empty. but thats me, i know you have more milk and better let down than me. but she suggested switching sides and see what happens. i tried that today and it seemed to calm him down a bit.

ania - thats awful ppl saying all that. would you like to meet up one day just to have a chat? maybe westfields parramatta? lots of hugs to you, sweetie.. xoxoxoxo

Just been in tears so upset. My husband came home asking what is for dinner and I have been so exhausted looking after DJ and asked if he could cook dinner and he said I have been out working all day and you expect me to cook dinner. I responded that what I do is a big job as well, and I needed some time out. He said he is now the breadwinner yada yada anyway I ended up cooking dinner, and just gave him an expressed bottle and top-up and said here you go, give him breastmilk first then the top-up. So, in the study, and considering going to bed because I am so tired but knowing my luck I just won't sleep. Why do men have to be such pigs!!!! I expected more from my husband, he is normally so sensitive and understanding. He must have had a bad day at work but no point taking it out on me, I have had a tough day as well. I almost walked out the door because I got so upset.

Meeting up with a friend of mine at the towers tomorrow and she is also getting dramas from her partner saying she should go back to full-time work and she has a 7 week old baby. Must be a bad mood day for all men today!!!!

Shell xxx

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shell - thanks for your wonderful supportive message
i got him weighed today and he put on 400g in 2 weeks and grew 2cm. must be a 3mth growth spurt. he's in the 5th percentile, moved from 3rd, he's still tiny but i have to remember he was 2 weeks early. im still glad cos he only put on 150g over 2 weeks over last weigh in. Although it's only the 5th percentile in height and weight, im really happy.:dance::hooray: I'm going to continue with the formula top up.
shell - sorry about having to top up and express. i was expressing, bf-ing and then topping up in the early days and i was getting so little sleep. it's really hard work. i hope it's only for a short while.

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That is such great news, sooooo happy for you Prama. You must have a big smile on your face :)

We were talking about size at MG today and how some of the babies are long and skinny, short and chubby or like mine, a giant! We've officially topped the scales at 7020g and 63cm long. When I was measuring him he kept getting taller and taller and then I realised i was pulling him further down the table:cryinglaugh:.

Ania hang in there :hug:. Sometimes Paddy if Paddy's a bit unsettled I try to settle rather than feed. If I keep feeding him it sort of becomes a vicous circle of wind, burp, sleep, cry, wind, feed, sleep, cry, wind etc. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Great that your mil was able to help you. Are you able to access the aba? They might have some good tips for you. Most of the girls at mg are having trouble with their bubs falling aslep in their arms and then waking as soon as they try to put them down. All you can do is try to soothe him and let him know you're there, it's a scary world sometimes ;)

shell :hug: :comfort:
so sorry about what's happened. hope doni cools down and everything gets sorted.
ppl think just because you stay at home, you have it easy. they dont understand you dont even get a chance to have a pee properly. at least at work you can go to the loo when you want, and even if you dont have a chance to have a real coffee break, you can have one at your desk. and you chat with other adults.
thanks for your kinds words abt poopy's weight. i do feel better. i feel like im doing something right now.

oh i asked the mcn abt thumb in out, she said at this stage it doesnt matter... it's only when they are older and start to really grab things and hold them, you have to check. is this what the mcn told you sj?

Thanks Prama - he wondered why I was upset earlier and I said it was the way he treated me earlier so when I was bathing DJ he put his plate in the dishwasher - which is a start..... My day is a vicious cycle of washing clothes, nappies, and looking after DJ and some housework if I can ever get around to it. Yeah a finished cuppa never happens, I always have half drunken cups of tea or coffee lying around...... and lunch don't get me started on that.... I gulp it down so fast I end up with indigestion haha ahhh the joys..... Going to head to bed shortly, just having a cuppa before bed and hopefully I will sleep. I am looking forward to getting out of the house tomorrow with my friend - a good coffee and chat.

I think it is great Poopy did so well in his weigh-in, it does make you proud when you see the weight on the scales have increased since last time etc.... I am getting DJ weighed again next week so hopefully he will have put his weight back on that he lost so I can be cheering ;) kehehee


Hope you all have a great night girls!!!

Shell xxxx

shell sorry you have had a crapy night with hubby they just dont understand do they.
My hubby wants to grab me for cuddles the min he walks in and chat baout work andgets abit funny when I keep walking round the house doing stuff and ask him to do this and that. I felt bad tonight because WIll has been ill and practically in my arms all day I too had the finding time to pee thing happen.I just need to hand him over so I can do things like put the washing away pullthe bed together and put another load of washing on. I watched a lot of tv today but with WIll in my arms and sometimes in tears. Its exhasuting some days.
Will cant breath when he breast feeds atm no matter how I position him I have tried expressing but it kills me and so little comes out I am worried if this keeps up he will wean himself.To be honest I just want him ot be hydrated however he can be atm. I am trying to get a docs appointment for tommorow i have used the little fess all week but now he is coughing as well and his chest sounds terrible you can hear the mucous. Any other suggestions? I have had to elevate him to help him sleep all the time He did have some green mucous which was showing signs of the end of infection but now its back to half clear and half cloudy.Poor little thing it breaks my heart becasue I know he is uncomefortable
got to go my boy is awake again
Bron x

shell - men sometimes dont have a clue they have hurt our feelings.
hehe dont forget to add the endless feeding and expressing.
have a good rest and hope DJ sleeps a bit longer.

im sure dj will put his weight back. he's a really good boy! i know he will put back all that weight.


bron your message just came. is will 3mths yet? you could try to get a vaporiser for him.

gotta go, he;s hugnry

Morning girls,

Bron - how about puting him in the bathroom with you in a bouncer and having a really long hot shower - not only will the steam help Wills chest but will do you the world of good to just stand there under the water (bugger any water restrictions, i am sure that there are days that you dont manage to get under the water or as soon as you get in you have to get out again!!!)
In general - green snot +bacterial, yellow snot means viral... what this means to you is that yellow snot means that antibiotics wont help as they only work on bacterial infections (thats why when people have a cold there is no point getting anties) SO maybe it is treatable with something...
The other thing is maybe you could have a look on the internet (i will too) about using eucalyptus in wills bath, dont think you can, but maybe really dilute may help, the other thing is obas oil (from the chemist) i am sure that if you put this on a cloth that is under his head (on a bit that is near his head, not under it) it wil help with his breathing.
One other thing that i just thought of.... maybe if you put Vicks on YOU above where his face would be when he feeds, maybe the vapours could help.
Try not to worry hun, he may also go off his food for a bit - i know i do when i feel sick, make sure that you are eating well too, so that all that goodness goes to him when he does take a bit (we are fighting colds so i made chicken stock and have been eating soup loads... dont know i it will help but i feel better)
The other thing to bare in mind is that if he cant feed from a breast, he probably wont be able to feed from a bottle either as it is because of the breathing... if you are really worried about him feeding maybe you could express a little and syringe it in, very slow process i know, but he can feed that way.
Hope this helps

Prama well done on the weight gain - you must be soooooo proud of yourself for sticking with the feeding - you are amazing!:cheer:
thanks for asking about the thumbs

Shell - sorry you have had a crap evening, i hope you got a better night...
Men are very insesitve at times... DH also wants to talk when we get in, i use that time to sort washing and finish dinner - we eat at 9pm, after MJ is in bed, its just easier that way. i perpare some bits during the day - usually i walk to the shops and buy what we are going to have and then once she is in bed it is just a matter of finish cooking...
If i cant be bothered, i do a pasta bake or something and get it ready during the day when she has a sleep, then all i have to do is heat it up... not a favourite meal by any standard, but thats what he gets!
Saturday DH usually cooks. I had a go at him the other day, i cook, do all the dishes and then when we finish dinner, DH takes the plates and just dumps them in the kitchen... we have a dis washer - how hard is it to put them in there... when he cooks, i do all the dishes and load the d/washer - we also have 2 or 3 extra people for dinner saturday, so there is more plates too grrrrh (at least he put the dishes in the d/washer last night, so maybe it had some inmpact - we will see it if it lasts thou)
Shell maybe when you have a good day, make some meals that can just be heated, i make a big batch of spag sauce, freeze some, make a lasagne (half gets frozen) and we have some that day, that way, hen you hare having a crapy day you can just reheat, and if he doesnt like it, then he can cook something else! :P
Yes the men are the bread winners at the moment, BUT ,who isgoing to look after you beautiful bubba if you have to go back and share that load of earner - someone that may bring him up in a way that does not suit you.:wall:
At least Doni can do a feed for you, thats still all up to me :)

Teach - wow what a boy - i bet you get just as sick of hearing about how big he is as Prama does on how small poopy is!
Not using sleeping bags, what type do you use, and do you still use blanket and sheets?
Last night gave her an extra singlet and she slep from 9pm to wait for it.... 7am!!!!
My god was she hungrey when she woke!

Oh.... now i was right about Ovulating.... i know this cos i got a visit from AF last night, although i am happy that i am not pg i am shattered that it is all over, was hoping for a bit longer, but i know it is cos MJ is sleeping through the nights and tbh i would rather her sleep longer and me have AF!

Wow, what i long post :redface: cant believe that she is back asleep again!

sj - bugger about AF but glad about not pg!
i usually have leftovers for lunch. Either DH cooks or i cook. if he cooks, i do all the washing up. im the dishwasher! but if i cook, he cuts up the stuff and i cook and wash up, he's hopeless at washing up. some days we just get some takeaway. and then takeaway leftovers!
im the opposite, i want to talk and talk when he comes home. i feel a bit lost without adult conversation and just having one way conversation during the day, and just baby talk.

Poopy's GP also said we could put a tiny tiny bit of eucalyptus oil on his bedding, his sheet/blankie so he can inhale a little while he sleeps.
thanks a good idea abt having vicks on us while bf..

thanks sj - my goal of bf was 4mths, which i think i will reach. but i have to continue till 6mths as we are os and dont want him to get sick and get all the antibodies from me. if i can do 6mths, i'll be over the moon.
im a bit apprehensive about feeding when he has teeth. i hear they really bite. eeekkk.
hehe, thanks that emoticon is so cute.
well done on the sleep!
poopy slept from 10pm to 7am! i put on his wondersuit, but he still manages to get a finger or two out! and a thicker wrap. and i didnt feel overfull till about 6am. so yay!
he has a little nap about 7ish -8pm so we eat then. then we give him a bath at 9, then a last feed, then cuddles and bed.
we're still in wrap. he thinks it's a game now. as we wrap him and we turn him to tuck the end of the wrap, he giggles! i have a sleeping bag which i havent really used yet.

he;s asleep, i should do something aroud the hosue but couldnt be bothered. anway, he will be up soon for his next feed.

i hope trina is having a good time!!

SJ I've got a couple of polar fleece ones like they sell in target, big w etc. I put these on him when it's cold with his jumpsuit underneath and sometimes a pair of socks. When the weather is warmer I use sleevless ones made of a lighter material. I don't use blankets, he didn't really like being wrapped anyway. I just adjust what he is wearing underneath to make it warmer or cooler. His sleeping through at night coincided with me using a sleeping bag (think he was getting cold in early hours of the morning) and not changing his nappy overnight (use a night nappy or BBH with a microfleece booster in between the BBH inserts).

Bron I saw a product at the chemist that you can use from 3mth +. I think it's basically vicks in invidual satchets that you put on their bedding. It's hard when they've got a cold at this age. Paddy's given me his and it makes me feel tired so no wonder they get grumpy. I don't know if those vapourisers are any good do you know anyone you could borrow one to try?

Off to change my fourth pooey nappy in the past four hours!

Hi girls,

Well having a much better day with DJ Yipeeeee he did a massive greeny/brown poo this morning. had to expect that colour would change since I now have to give him top-up in formula. It stunk so much!!! went out for coffee with my friend and had a lovely time, and walked around shops, saw a great jacket that I want so hoping to give Doni a hint for my birthday coming up :) He is going to take the day off for my birthday since he has to work on the next two weekends for New Zealand work trip, so that will be nice, probably will go out to lunch.

Bron - DJ has a small cold so I have been putting baby vicks on his singlet so he can still smell it. We are also pulling out lots of snot in the mornings, hasn't gone to his chest yet. It is so hard as it gets colder, lots of bugs going around. Just keep his fluids up as best you can, if he doesn't take breast or bottle try feeding him through a big syringe maybe?? It might be a bit tedious but at least his fluids will be up :) Hope that helps.

SJ - good idea on preparing and freezing food on my good days, think I might just do that, great suggestion ;)

Prama - what a great sleep from Poopy - that is fantastic!!! On Monday I will get Poopy to touch DJ's hand and hopefully that good sleep will rub off on him kehehehee DJ is sleeping from 9'ish to 3'ish which isn't too bad, just wish he would sleep through til 6am kehehe

HOpe you are all well.

Speak soon

Shell xxxx

shell - yaay for poo! lol. is DJ much more settled now?
Glad you had a good lunch! Is she feeling better about going back to work and all?
yup, hehe poopy can touch dj's hand to pass on some sleep dust. haha

today is my turn to be sad...
i posted a while ago that i wanted to go have mussels for mothers day at this restaurant in newington. i told dh that i wanted this for mothers day and nothing happened. so i was upset and when he said he wanted to get me a present, i said i didnt want it cos i told what i wanted and he forgot. so what's the point of getting me something i dont want when i cant get what i want.
anyway, he made me tell him what i wanted, so i told him. ive been wanting to have mussels for so long, and couldnt have it when i was pg and ttc. so it's been a yr. he said he sort of remembered me telling him i wanted it but didnt remember that i wanted it for mothers day. oh whatever! i got upset that i told him several times for mothers day and he didnt remember.
anyway, ive been waiting to go, since i thought he got the message and that we're going os in a few weeks.
so nothings happened and we've got plans till we go away.
so i brought it up again today and i was so upset. (beign at home you hve a lot of time to get worked up). he said so when do you want to go, and that he forgot cos he cant have mussels (allergy). i told him why do i have to tell you when i want to go. why cant you ever say, would like to go here at this time etc. and there's other food at this place. i would never forget if he wanted to have something. ive booked for him to have steaks etc when i dont eat beef.
if i have tell him where and when i might as well organise and book myself. then it's not special anymore. it would be nice if he could do it for me.
he can organise to go to see his mate at stanwell tops next week, why cant he organise something so simple for me..
im just so disappointed and sad.
he even said he'd make me a special malaysian meal for mothers day and it never happened and i made it myself.
im just so tired of being stuck at home and on my toes all the time and not being able to relax.
at least a meal out to make me feel special would have been nice.
sorry for the whinge.

Prama :hug: sorry you are haviing a rubbis day... i had one too
Men are pains.
sometimes its like we dont even exist, i am sure they dont think that are making us fee like that, but grrrh.
I hope you get your mussels - you should book to go there with your girlfriends and get DH to look after poopy - that will learn him ;)

I think I am suffering from insomnia - I am soooooo overtired that when it comes to going to sleep I just can't sleep. It takes me ages to get to sleep after feeding DJ's early morning feed, I end up thinking about stuff and just can't sleep. arghhhh Doni got up for an early morning bike ride so asked him to do his 6am feed for me so I could get some resty. Anyone else like this???

Otherwise things are all good here. Ever since I have been giving DJ a top-up in formula he is a different baby, so much happier and content. My breastmilk obviously doesn't fill him up. He is even starting to fill out everywhere in his body so i think this weeks weigh-in will be an improvement ;)

Prama - I agree with SJ, why don't you just organise a lunch with your girlfriends and leave Poopy with hubby :) Men just don't get it sometimes. Doni is the same.


I wonder how Trina is going? I bet she is having a great time.


Hope we are all well

Shell xxxx

thanks sj, shell. dh is trying to be really nice today. i know he feels bad, but then it's always the same. i am very grateful that he helps out so much but sometimes you want little things that are special to you, esp. now that you dont even have 'me' time anymore.
will try to organise to for mussels, maybe a mothers group thing. htey have great woodfire pizza too. yum yum.

sj - hope you feel better today after a bad day yesterday. lots of hugs!

shell - hhhooooorraayyy y that dj is more settled! im sso glad. is he sleeping longer? im sure he will put on weight at the next visit. yaaay!

lets hope bubs tip scales to the right and us to the left! i wish poopy could suck out all the extra kgs out of my boobs!

Thanks for all the advice girls. We bought a vapouriser which helped us all alot also some baby balsom which was great on WIlls chest and I had vicks on mine so when he was close he got that as well. He is so used ot having his nosed suck now he only crys for a very short time its liek he knows its going to help him breathe. He really is such a good boy despite a cold he slept from 10 pm till 5am which was great and today he was awake for the 5 hours mum and I were out and didnt fuss until hungry then just watched the people go by.

On a sad note I think my milk has dried up I have being trying to express my hand and by pump and he sucks so hard but obvioulsy doesnt get much out. I have been having trouble with the lymph nodes under my arms and my scars hurt from where I had some lumps removed. My boobs are also soft as..how do I know when its over as far as milk goes? I cant help but think its my fault becasue I had been topping him up but he was always offered booby and took what ever he could get and was always hungry afterward. SJ with your nursing background do you think that my lower platletes and low neutrophils could affect. I know when they are know my body uses all its energy to fight things off and I have been really flat and had this cold along with Will. My mum said her milk dried up at 4 weeks with both my brother and I but I dont think it has much to do with my body. I want will to be satisfied and hydrated and will do whatever..I guess physcologically I wasnt ready for it to end.

We had our second mothers group this week and I was amazed at how many people were bottle feeding I think the health nurse was too they all has different reasons and I felt less guilty for topping up but not sure about total bottle feeding. It was a fun group although I had flashbacks to my early childhhod trianing with all the home made toys and books and activites that we had to learn how to makes.ALso had a visit fomr the dental health clinic which was really interestingas I have covered dental care for 2- 5 year olds but not newborns. So now we have started to rub a light cloth on Wills gums to get him used to having something in his mouth.mind you hed suck on your big toe if you put it in there *L*

Hope the weather was nice at your place we had al ovley afternoon out and about with Grandma only to come back and find our garage half demolished ready for the folks to build their new house behind us. MUm and Dad are going away for 6 weeks in a fortnigh and I realy dont know what I am going to do I wil miss mums company so much our relationship has really changed since Will was born and we are so close.

Yay for moe I soaked in the bath for an hour tongiht and read mags that a girlfriend gave me...very indulgent.

OK I have blabbed on and done no personals at all sorry just needed to type I guess *L*
Hope you are all well.
Bron xx

PS prama I luuuuuuuuuuuurve muscles I say book for yoruself now and eat a huge bowl full!!

Doni just left for New Zealand and not back until Saturday next week (boo hoo!!!) DJ is asleep and yes I should be sleeping right now but I am too overtired arghhhh and daytime sleeps only last for 40 mins so by the time I get to sleep it is time to wake up so no point in trying to sleep during the day haha......

Mum looked after DJ for us for a few hours last night so we could see a friend for her birthday, it was nice to get out and we were home by midnight. We were both exhasted!!!

I have decided that if DJ still has feeding problems from my breast in the next two weeks I am giving up breastfeeding. I just don't enjoy it anymore and everyone I speak to about it tell me I should just give it up. I don't have to justify myself to anyone and I should do what makes me happier. I know bottle feeding means having to sterilise bottles and prepare formula etc, but I can't sit there and enjoy breastfeeding, I am constantly looking down and what DJ is doing and if he is latched on or not. There is no point me seeing a lactation consultant. I always said I would give it 4 months and it is nearly 3 months, so I think I will see how I go in the next two weeks which will make it 3 months. It is still a great start. I might even go back to expressing full-time and giving him breast milk that way. He isn't filling up on my breastmilk at all. We have tried even giving him breast milk in the bottle and he only takes 80ml of it and then will gulp down a top-up of formula..... Mum thinks I haven't got enough nourishment in my breastmilk and I need to eat properly.....

Bron - I think SJ mentioned to me once that when your boobs are softer and floppy it actually means your milk has settled, because I thought the same thing with mine that my milk had dried up. And yeah my mothers group has alot more people bottle-feeding as well, so I don't feel so bad when I give DJ top-ups.

Prama - make sure you make a date for your mussels lunch :) kehehee and yeah I am seeing community nurse on Thursday so will get DJ weighed then and also talk to her about breastfeeding.


DJ is waking now, off I go.... That was a 20 min sleep so I am glad I didn't sleep now haha

Shell xxxx