Babies Born October 1st ~ 15th 2008 #2

SamiH - i dont think it is easier to tummy sleep as some baabies hate being on there tummy - dd was like that.
With DS he ha bad colic and wind and the pressue of his weight on his tummy helps him burp and fart in turn goving him comfort :)

itsme - DD was exactly the same - would scream non stop, and nothingi did would stop it, it would make me a wreak and iknow iuse to speed unintentionally to get there faster! i found a cd called music for minors(classical)and now haave it platinevery car ride and DS seems oso far - usually crys first 10 then setlles.
i always make sure hehad had a feed (even alittle one) b4 he goes in the car too so he will last the trip. *hugs* it does it easier in the car we promise!*...... until they r old enuf to get bored lol

amy_o - we self settled here. i will put DSin his cot while awake (as long as i know he is dry nappy and well fed) and let him try to fall asleep on his own. i will let him cry for around 5 minutes then pick him up, give cuddles then back down again.
now if he stirrs in the night he will put himself back to sleep.
i did this wuth dd too - no rocking etc) and by 4 months i could put her in her cot , say goodnight and close the door and that was it, she might have played for 1/2 hr but didnr need me to fall asleep. it was a god send!

hollye - yay for the bf! i didnt have a 6 week c/up. i will see them when i have to drag the kids to their 2month/18 month injections! yes at the same time.

as you can all see i am awake bright and early
ethan slept well 8pm-2am then awake at 5am
however ashley woke at 230 with he cot full of vomit,. so had to soak everything and bath her,poor lil thing. she is asleep in our bed with dh so will see how she is soon


*mwah*

PP - aaaahhhh now that makes sense re pushing tummy to make the wind come out - didn't think of that - yeah, my kids all hated being on their tummies when little when tired - my DD was a huge happy chucker so I could understand it must of made her feel really yuck :( However once they both learned to roll there was no stopping them sleeping on their tummies either!

You poor thing - if it's not one kid it's the other sometimes - I had the same thing a few weeks ago with my DD - just after i finished a night feed, she then vomited so was up for another hour doing the whole bath/bed change/hairwash thing ... at least with boys it is quicker cos you don't have to dry any long hair!!

Well Z had a good night - but after some advice if you have any ladies .... he feeds well between 4 & 5pm during that time, has a little battle nap of 10 minutes or so but by 6.30 he is so dopey and falling asleep in whoever is cuddling him or in the rocker. My dilema is I then try to give him a feed before he goes to bed - which he feeds for all of about 2 minutes, and falls asleep - but then wakes pretty much between 2 & 3am for next feed. I can't help but think if he could take a better feed a bit later he might get through to 6am!! I don't think a rollover/dream feed would work for him, he doesn't feed in his sleep - my DS1 did, but DD never did either ....

So any suggestions? I can't think of any other way to change his feeding pattern too much either cos I have school pick-ups as well so he feeds somewhere between 1pm and 2.30pm and we get home again around 3.30 and he wants a snooze after being dragged in and out of the car and excited kids in the car etc .....

Maybe I should try and give him expressed bottle at 4/5pm to make sure he gets a really good feed in at that time - he won't take the bottle if he is really tired, just starts screaming so ruled out giving it to him at that 6.30ish time ....

Sorry, bit of a ramble now! Better out than in :)

well we had a GREAT night :D
jack slept last night til after 9pm woke fed and went down after 10pm and slept til about 4am i heard him becoming restless so i hopped up in the dark and put the dummy in his mouth and he went back to sleep til around 6am fed and is still sleeping :D

[Bkuraiza]: One of the reasons babies don't need pillows is because they don't have necks (not really).[/B] It is also a SIDS guideline... I don't have a problem with it... as long as i know ALL risks etc.. I did it with my other 2 and they are fine.

Our paed was basically all for tummy sleeping (old fashioned DR).
Also it is VERY good for digestion of food in bubs... reason i know is because Jack was slept on his tummy in the NICU/SCN and i questioned it.. and the head paed. nurse explained it all to me. Although it CAN also cause over-heating probs in little babies.. as they get very hot laying on the side of their face. Babies regulate their temperature through their head and mainly through their face.

well i may be MIA today girls as it appears both DD and DS have gastro
yay for me.

talk soon

PP: :o

I got a total of 9.5 hours sleep last night. 4.5 hours then 5 hours. I'm ecstatic.

Morning All

PP - Have you tried massaging some warm olive oil on his belly, really helps with getting the burps up. Sorry to hear both your little ones are sick with Gastro. hugs

Itsme - I hope you have a better day today, hugs for yesterday.

Sami - Can youbelieve your little Zander has hit the 2month mark? How quick has that gone? I cant believe Olivia is 6weeks today.

Katones, Tan, Amy, Hollye, HJ, Kuraiza, Belfie, Georgie - A huge H E L L O!!!!!!!!! I hope your all well. hugs

Well yesterday we had the midwife come again and Olivia is now 2450gm, which means she has put on 70gm since Friday. SO very happy with that little bubba girl of mine. You can see her little tummy starting to fill out, which is really nice to see.

If any of you are having trouble with wind, try warm Olive Oil massaged into the belly. I used this with all of my kids and it really does help. Olivia when she is having trouble getting her wind out from either end once I massage the Olive Oil into her belly well the wind start firing from both ends in no time at all. She is soooooo relaxed after it.

As for Olivia's "v" on her forehead I was searching the internet and as it turns out her birth mark is called a stork birthmark, but in it particular location on her forehead it is called a "Angel kisses" it eventually leaves but could take months or a couple of years. Some may not leave until the age of 5 and some may not go at all.

Anyway I too have some sick little chickies here, both older DD's are sick with the flu, so better go tend to them. Hugs all. (Ohhh and my BF just had her baby boy on Sunday, weighing in at 3kgs, laid Olivia along side of him and he is bigger, not by much in length tho.)

I'm feeling better today. Got 7 1/2 hours sleep (which would have been 9 1/2 hours but it took me 2 hours to fall asleep last night for some reason! So annoying!). DD slept from 10am till 4.30am then from 6.30am till 10am and she went back down for a sleep at 11.30am and is still sleeping. So I've managed to eat, shower and get organised for the day! :) I assume she won't sleep much this afternoon now, but that's when I'll take her for a walk.

csab - I'll have to try the warm olive oil on the belly. I think Maya is often upset because of wind or because she is about to do a huge poo! Actually this morning she did such a huge poop that it came out of her nappy, all over herself, through her clothes and onto me!

kuraiza - Great news on the sleep. :)

PP - Hope your kids are feeling better soon! :hug:

To everyone else: Hello! :hello: Gotta go.. Maya's calling.

oh it's my turn for a crap night :crying:
My hired symphony breast pump stopped working at 9.30pm last night. I'm freaking out wondering how I can express enough overnight. Couldn't find any sort of customer support help anywhere. Spoke to my LC who explained that there's a hand-pump in the kit you get - so that was something. Then found a Medela mini electric that a friend lent me (old and from o/s but SEEMS to work). So managed to express - me doing one side & DH did the hand-pump on the other side (lol that's gonna do our sex life some good ha!). So overnight was using this mini-electric (which makes my aureola really sore) and the hand pump... :rolleyes: but at least I got some milk out. PLUS X seems to be really disliking the formula atm and just wants my milk... so I'm madly trying to get enough.

Anyway this morning I'm running around trying to work out what to do. I was about to buy a medela pump to keep - but it's only on special on the website, and Mother's Direct won't let me buy at the same price from the store even though I explained I was in a bind and needed one today. The pharmacy I've hired the from symphony has another in stock so I could swap it - but then I'll only be returning it in another few days anyway! I spent half the morning crying cos I'm just so sick of pumps and having them not working (I hired a faulty pump - different store - on our first night home). Then X wasn't settling & wanted more feed. Then there's an accident with the milo tin... milo everywhere... down my top all over me... down my one clean maternity bra I'm wearing. So eventually I'm cleaned up, X not crying... So I go back & swap the faulty pump - and the pharmacy doens't even say "oh we're so sorry" or antyhing! I nearly didn't ask about a discount or something cos i was scared I'd cry. But I did ask for money off or more time at same price, and they're just like "oh we'll see". I cried all the way home - I wish I could have managed to just buy the one from mother's direct or get money off or have someone be nice or SOMETHING!

Then X wants another feed, I still haven't had breakfast (by midday) and I'm tired and sick of it all. I wish I could just BF and I wouldn't have to worry about these pumps and stuff. And I know there's people I could call but I just don't feel like it cos i feel like a big crying feeb, and no-one ever calls me bawling their head off - so I don't want to call them like that. And I think DH just doesn't understand why I've found the whole pump not working thing so stressful.

Anyway, the girl just called me from the pharmacy, apparently the card was dislodged a bit - don't know how/why - and now it works. So now i feel like an idiot. I didn't even check the card cos they'd said not to touch it!!!! If only I'd checked it I could have avoided the whole night! And I don't want to buy the pump from Mother's Direct (cos I'm being petty) and I don't particularly want to buy a Medela pump after all this - but I don't know what else to buy and I've got all the Medela stuff to double pump... so it would be a waste of money *sigh*.

Hope you're all having a better day than me. I'm off to try the new pump.

awww Belfie HUGS hunny!!!
if it helps i am having a shiat day!!! Jack did not want to sleep... he fed at 10am i resettled twice,, then he woke again.. and he has only just gone down now.. BUT is due again for a feed at 2pm :(

Csab... that is great about Olivia's weight gain!!!

I hope those who are having a not so good day have a better afternoon/evening! We are doing ok, The self settling is starting to work a bit. I can see the benefits. I have like all things just made it work for me, I go in comfort her, then walk out. Head back in a few minutes if she hasn't settled and repeat. So far we have been able to do the process in about 10-15mins. I will admitt the first time I put her in the cot awake was awful!! I was so used to holding her to sleep. Well we will keep going. She is sleeping better though. Also I increased her feeds to the next level on the formula can so that helped I think too. Maybe it was a combination too big for the bassinett and a hungry tummy. I have caught up around home which always makes me feel better, I am one of those sad people who enjoy housework! I think for now I will do a few more little jobs and maybe have a nap myself. I am thinking of trying to swim a couple of times a week, before I was pg I used to all the time, we have 2 great pools in our complex and I contiued as long as I could while pg. I think I need to get back into it, good stress relief. Maybe I'll just aim for once a week. I'll have to wait till DH gets home and I tend to just make excuses, need to just do it!!

pretty good night and day here so far! *touch wood*

ahhh see what happens when i say that! shes calling.. ill finish this later

Um what was I going to say...

Oh yeah, I was at the ob's office today and I was reading a book in the waiting room. For windy babies it suggested lying them on their tummy over a hot water bottle filled with hot water (not boiling) and wrapped in a blanket (the hot water bottle, not the baby). Thought that might interest some of you. I don't think Jude has wind, but I don't know how you tell. If I burp him he vomits all over me so I don't.

Ok now I'm going to go out on a limb. I told the doc I wanted to discuss PND because I had such a bad couple of weeks and at times I don't think I'm coping well. He was very nice and organised for me to see the psychologist down stairs (I love how they all work so closely together) next week to have a chat and just see if she can help me organise myself a bit better. I've never spoken to a psychologist before, so I am pretty interested in how it goes. The appointment will be 1 1/4 hours. It will be nice to talk to someone.

The weird thing is, today has been going great. Jude has slept and eaten really well. I even had time for morning tea and lunch. My husband looked after Jude while I was at the docs so it was all very easy. But I didn't want to assume that everything has sorted itself out because tomorrow the sky might fall in on me, who knows.

Hi to everyone, hope you're all going great guns.

Kur - you probably have had a weight lifted off your shoulders speaking out! and this has changed your outlook a little! good for you i say! :)

It's a bit weird. I don't really think I have PND but there are those days, you know ... where I feel like it's all crap and I ask myself why I decided to have a child, not that I ever regret Jude or ever feel bad towards him, never ... but when I was 20 I used to not want children and then when I was 25 I decided I would adopt a child if I had a good life to share with a child, then when I was finally settled I decided to have a baby myself ... I guess I just never really knew exactly how difficult it really would be with the no sleep and the not knowing what I'm doing. Some days I just cry and think I'm a bad mum and I think I don't have enough to give a child, then other days I feel fine and everything is dandy (like today).

It's good to talk to others on this forum, this group particularly, because I know many of you are going through the exact same stuff. But I don't have any family around and I don't have the kind of friends I feel I can call on. So it can't hurt to talk to a professional, and if she can help me organise myself then fantastic.

That's really interesting Kuraiza that you had to approach doc yourself etc. Here in the ACT at the 6 week GP check the doctor gets you to fill out the Becks Inventory questionnaire thingy for PND - AND at our first Maternal and Child Health Clinic appt they do it there also .... you may recall a week or so ago I wrote in a post I came out top end of "normal" more likely cos hubby was away and it is hard especially at night for me to get everyone to bed, still breastfeed, get up overnight, feed and then get everyone ready for school etc and start over again! I don't have family here either and some really good friends, but my bestie has a 5 month old herself and her parents are here and do EVERYTHING for her (including pickingup her 5yo and taking her to and from school everyday!), so I find it hard to talk to her cos, yeah, I;ll be honest, I am insanely jealous of all the support she has, yet she still goes on about being tired and DH doesn't help out aroudn the house .. I pretty much go it alone too, which is sometimes not healthy. I really hope the appointment helps.

Anyway HI to everyone else, short time tonight - I wanna try and get to bed a bit earlier as hubby is away for the rest of the week :(

he was pretty much awake (and unhappy) from 7am to now. He's just gone down. I think. Touch wood. I even rang my neighbour in tears cos DH was out - and she came over (she's a grandmo 9 times) and held him while I expressed and ate dinner. :pray: for a good night.

Darn he's crying again.

Hi girls.. After a hard few days (fri - sun) Byron has finally settled. He still has had his grizzling time around dinner time, but in general is back to his routined self. The great thing is that he has slept through the night for 2 nights in a row. 8.30pm - 5am. I'm hoping it stays that way. I think the heat upset him, and maybe he was going through that 6 week growth spurt you are all talking about. He was 6 weeks yesterday in corrected age. He has his 6 week check up with the paed this Thurs. We went to the clinic yesterday & he has put on another 250g in a week. That's 3 weeks in a row that he's put on 250g exactly. Weird. The nurse at the clinic suggested I get his right eye checked out by the paed as it seems to not be keeping up with the left. I can't see what she means, it looks fine to me, but I will certainly ask about it. I hope it's ok.

SAMI - Do you put Z back to bed, in his cot, after the 4/5pm feed? This may encourage him to sleep for longer than 10mins. Byron normally feeds around 4pm, we play a little, then I put him back down to bed. This is his really unsettled time so I just keep resettling him. He normally needs resettling every 15-30mins. I just be persistant and sometimes use a dummy to drag him out to 7.30/8pm. I think those little cat naps are still helping. He seems to feed fairly well at 7.30pm. He was still waking around 2am for a feed. I try to get to bed around 8.30/9pm so that I could get a few hours in a row. Though I'm hoping he continues to sleep through the night now.

Sorry for the lack of personals. I have read all your posts though. I will try to keep up over the next few days.. xxx

Sami - i hear you. it is hard enuf with a baby that you are on constant night duty with but then have to attend to the other little ones too! *hugs* . if ds is fed, changed and burped there are times i do just leave him in his cot with music going. he screams but after about 10 minutes falls asleep from exhaustion. sounds bad i know but if i have to do something with DD i have no choice. At least i know he is safe in his cot.

Belfie - the hardest part i think is not letting bubs get overtired. try this if you like
-Feed bub for around 40 minutes.... offer boob, burp, boob, change nappy, boob.... just keep offering even if he seems finished after 10 minutes.
-then play for 20 minutes - interaction and talking etc.
-then put to bed.

bubs get very tired this early and 20 minutes of play is enuf. remember they also have 40 min sleep cylces so will stir after 40 minutes but should be able to resettle them if you dont disturb too much as they fall into the next sleep cycle.

Georgi - yay for the weight gain and sleeping!! that is great! how is your pool? lol


hollye - have you moved to brissy yet?

Well ethan woke at 1230 and 430 for feeds. and is asleep atm. took me an 1.5 hr to settle him after the 430 feed.
Ashley is still asleep....... which is strange she is usually up at 6am. but she ate nothing yesterday and no vomitting over night which is good i guess. she must be recouping!