Babies born~December 1st-15th 2009 #1

Thanks for the info on supply, girls. I have the nurse over in five mins so will speak to her about it too.

OMG, worst night last night. Jack was up every two hours crying. He never cries at night and I knew something was up. He kept projectile vomiting, poor little darling. It was really horrible. So, he slept in our bed and we all had a terrible night's sleep. I thought his temp was up too and when I took it it was up ever so slightly. I think he was just feeling off.

Will write persies after the nurse goes.
x

Hi girls!

Carmey - we had a night a bit like that last night, too. I think that our bubs are possibly moving into a growth spurt perhaps.

Re expressing - I try to express some milk every day (building up a freezer stash) - I have to try to nab time in between feeds, so I don't usually manage a lot - usually about 60ml (and most of that from the one side). The one time we've gotten Liam to take a bottle he drank about 50ml and was happy.

Alison - I am in deep envy. Liam's had a couple of nights where he's done four to almost six hour stretches of sleep, but most nights the most we get is his first sleep (which is usually at least three hours).

AFM - Rough night last night (and day yesterday). Liam was just really unsettled and overtired and would *not* go to sleep. Frustrating for everyone. He's napping right now, for which I am very grateful. I hate seeing him when he's so overtired and grumpy. I think he's definitely going into another growth spurt, so I expect a few more unsettled days. Hard to believe that he'll be six weeks old next week!

Rose - Yes, that's just like Jack! I thought something was wrong, like he was sick, but I think you're right. I hate seeing him like this too. He's usually so calm and never cries at night. Fingers crossed Liam has a better night for you tonight. x

Alison - 7 hours is just a dream! Lucky girl! Have fun on the block. I'm jealous. Oh, and I was going to say that I found that drinking lots and lots of water helps with my supply. And Tilda's tip is really good, too.

ATM - the nurse came over today and Master Jack is doing really well. He's put on 1.9kg and weighs 5.5kg - my little buddha! :lol: He has also grown 4cm, which is nice to know.

Thanks for all your advice on supply. I think I'm going to do what you do, Rose, and freeze some of it. I have so much milk that when I express I can fill a 125ml bottle in 5 minutes and that's just from one boob. And after that I have enough to still feed Jack! :o What do you freeze it in?

Alison, don't beat yourself up over the Bf thing - you are a great mother so just do what you feel is right. Formula is not bad, and it is stupid that people keep making it into a demon. Just do what you feel in order to not be stressed...and as far as supply goes, the expressing after feeds helps, I did it at the beginning when I was worried about supply and it def went up.

Carmey, Rose - it sounds like a growth spurt - I am just getting out of one! There is supposed to be a whopper at 6 weeks, so that might be it...The vomiting might be because he is overeating to up your supply and since he is fussy it comes up. I had a few projectiles on the sofa during Eva's last weight gain :)

Rose, your new pics of little Liam are great - I love the one in the chair - he looks like a little man at work :)

Carmey - you're lucky to have so much milk - FREEZE as much as you can! I try to get a bottle pumped into the freezer every time Eva has a long sleep - I call it my freedom stash! I hope to get a day or overnight trip out with DH soon once I have enough supply! But not sure about that since last night I left a double portion for Eva and went to dinner with friends who are visiting and 2 hours into dinner MIL called to tell me she was hysterical so I had to come back home! She had eaten the whole two portions in one sitting and was hungry again (and had serious gas) so I got in fed her and rubbed her back on the hot water bottle for half an hour, then she settled into sleep...but not until crying with gas again for a while...I am happy to say her "colic" if that is what it is (I think it is a hindmilk problem) is passing but we still have a day here or there where she has gas and is miserable...she fell asleep on my chest with the hot water bottle between us...I woke up to put her into bed with sweat on my chest and she was also a bit sweaty; which stressed me out - I did not plan on leaving her on there so long and hope I did not overheat her! :(

Going to be productive!

Wishing a wonderful day to everyone!

xoxo

Carmey - I'm currently freezing milk in 30ml portions using breast milk freezer trays that I bought online - I like the idea of freezing in small portions, so it doesn't get wasted. I am planning on filling a few bottles to freeze as well, just so I have some options for when I'm going to be away from Liam.

I think that Liam's definitely in a growth spurt. He's been fussing at the breast a lot, and his sleep is all over the place (he's been fighting naps again all day, and is overtired and cranky now.) Oh well, it's not going to last forever. I weighed him yesterday and he's 4.9kg. Going to be interesting to see how he goes next week when he gets weighed by the community health nurse.

Rose - I'll def look into those trays, they sound good. It seems that Liam and Jack are going through the exact same thing. Fingers crossed it ends soon.

BS - What a shame about your night out! Sounds like Eva didn't want to miss out on all the fun. Poor little lamb, it's horrible when they have wind like that.

I also think that you're right - he is overeating to up my supply. I was only just saying to DH that usually my boobs don't have this much milk at night. They're both full - I should express, huh? But bed calls. I'm so tired from last night.

Oh, and when you say "hindmilk problem", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean she's not getting enough hindmilk (is that the creamy milk at the end?)? I read yesterday that some people need to express out a little of their milk as they get the let down before they let bub on the boob so that their bubs don't get too much lactose. Apparently if they get too much all the time they can get upset tummies.

Anyway, here's to a great night's sleep tonight! Night girls. x

Hi gals

Alison - hope you have a great trip down south. My sister is getting married down in the Margaret River in May. Can't wait to come home for it!

Carmey - 125mil is 5 minutes!!! OMG, that's awesome. Freeze, freeze, freeze. The best I get is about 50mil in 10 minutes usually. I use special purpose plastic bags you can buy at the pharmacy. But you can get little cup types things too. Its very stressful when you think something isn't right with bub, isn't it.

BS - Sounds like the invisible umbilical cord yanked you home the other night. We nearly left Matilda with my parents and went out for dinner last night. But the same thing would have happened. She went through a complete feeding frenzy. I couldn't get her off me. In the end I gave her the bottle of expressed milk I was going to leave Mum and Dad because I was just exhausted. And you just know they're going to get gas!!

Rose - Hope Liam isn't too unsettled tonight for you. You never know, sometimes its a one off.

AFm - Well we had a very unsettled day yesterday too. Must be the "age". Oh, I hear her now. See you later everyone......

Carmey; yes exactly - I had the lactation consultant tell me to change sides often to feed Eva and ended up going through a 2/3 week period of HELL, with constipation, green poo when it came and gas every night where she would scream in pain for three or four hours (it was in my opinion misdiagnosed as colic...)...you can read about that here: LLLI | Foremilk and Hindmilk

Carmey, just be careful not to pump too much...because you might end up with wayyy too much milk and engorgement...I found that pumping one bottle during a long sleep gives me one bottle ahead...so if I do pump and she gets hungry I at least have that back up bottle to hold her over...but last night she ate two bottles, so I am back to square one...My frozen stash is not so huge.

Tilda, you just got over the one month mark...It gets easier after this. I had a hard time the first month with my clinger too! She will settle a bit now, I am rooting for you! Keep strong - it is just a bit longer... :) I hear you on giving an expressed bottle - I did that few times in the beginning to get some sleep...But these days I cannot get a bottle pumped for my life - she eats it all! She has been draing one and a half to two boobs in a sitting during some feeds and a full boob during night and "afternoon snack" feeds... I keep trying to squeeze in pumps though.

Hi girls.

Re milk supply. I feel I am lacking some. I have been giving Jett some top up of formula as he seems to be still hungry. When I express the most I have gotten in one sitting is 30mls. This fenugreek where do u get it from? I may need to try some.


Well I have had Jett to the dr tonight. His belly button has started bleeding. My gp was closed when I noticed it so I went looking for a dr but our local medical centre had over a 2hr wait so I called the hospital and they told me to take him to emergency at the hospital so we were headed for Liverpool hospital however I didn't feel it necessary for emergency dept so I stopped at the medical centre in Liverpool n saw a dr straight away who cleaned it up took a look at it n said it has a raw part deep inside the belly button which is where it is bleeding from. He tapped a cotton wool ball on it and said if it was still bleeding tomorrow to take him back and they would burn that skin off. We bought Jett home n he has just awoken from a 6hr sleep. It doesn't seem to be bothering him at all. I didn't touch the cotton wool when I just changed him I just left it. It doesn't appear to have any blood on it so hopefully it has stopped on it's own.
Has anyone else experienced this?

Sorry no persies Jett needs to be burped now.

:hug: to all
xx*

Hi Lani I haven't had any problems like that with the belly button, but I'm sure it's not uncommon. Hope it fixes it's self up, the thought of them having to burn it off sounds yucky for little Jett:hide:

Hi Rose I'll check out those trays too they sound good, I had a friend who used to use ice cube trays, do the ones you have have a lid?

Hi Carmey The other day when I read your post I thought you were writing about my house! Right down to the baby spew all over the bed sheets!:rofl: I was going to post straight after I read it but Harry projectile vomited on me it hit me right in the middle of me chest got my top and went all the way down my cleavage to my stomach:o:lol: ...so I was off to the shower, Harry was unsettled all day then with more spews, and what seemed like 100 changes of clothes and spew cloths! I felt like wearing a green garbage bag just to protect myself.
I think it is a growth spurt like we all seem to going through at the moment, but I was starting to think something was wrong too.

Hi BS glad to hear Eva is coming through the hindmilk fiasco now, stupid LC woman! If she was older and not up with the new methods then she really should re think her job or re-train I wonder how many other mums and bubs suffered because of her?!

Hi Alison Sooooo jealous of the long sleeps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I should go and do something other than play on the computer while Harry's sleeping the morning is the longest sleep we get:hello:

Happy Saturday everyone!

Lani - I got a "lactation herbs tonic" from pharmacy that specialises in naturopathic remedies. It includes fenugreek, goats rue, fennel and aniseed. But I know that many of the vitamin companies sell fenugreek capusles. So any pharmacy should be able to help you there. I've had friends that have just taken straight fenugreek capsules and have had big improvements in supply and in settling their babe. I'm actually wondering if its helping Matilda's wind. I've increased the dose again after getting slack and she's been a lot less windy. Haven't had any belly button issues. But it sounds like something that could easily happen.

Willow - how's your pile of laundry going with all the spew attacks? Matilda isn't very spewy but she tends to wee or poo all over the change table and me mid nappy change. I've never had so much laundry!!! BTW remember I ordered those Bambooty all in one nappies? Well they're great. But the small size is quite small and will probably only fit her until she's about 6kg. Then I'll have to buy the next size up. But they are really easy to use and look after.

Carmey - how did your run go? I bet it felt good to get moving again.

BS - thanks for the words of hope! I think I've seen some improvement in the wind situation like I was saying to Lani. And the sleep situation too. So hopefully things will start to feel a bit more regular. BTW, you've been posting some gorgeous pics of Eva on FB. Good luck on finding some pump time. Its hard when they're going through such a feeding frenzy isn't it??

Hellos to all the other lovely Mums and bubs. :hello:

AFM - I had to say goodbye to Mum and Dad who went back to Perth yesterday. I felt so sad for Matilda and for them more than for me. It's the worst part of living so far away. They change so quickly and I hate that they're going to miss out on so much. I think if DH doesn't get a particular job he has his heart set on we might think about moving back. Anyway, better go rescue DH and offer the other boob....

Tilda - I hear you on living away from the parents. It's so hard and they do miss out on so much. My friend suggested getting Skype so we can still see each other every day. The funny thing is that her daugher, 2.5 years, now calls her grandpa Skype as she always thought they were talking about him when they said, "Do you want to go and talk on Skype?":rofl:

How do you feel about the possibility of moving back??

Willow - OMG, I know how you feel. Jack's room has these white spots I'm about to scrub where he has projectile spewed across the room. Let's hope this spewy stage ends soon! It does sound like a growth spurt thing, plus the nurse told me yesterday that newborns have such immature digestive systems that just the slightest upset can bring their dinner up again. It's all very common I think. Hope you get a good night tonight! x

Lani - poor little Jett's belly button! Have you checked it yet? If he slept six hours he must be feeling okay, poor little man.

BS - thanks for sending that link. I'm about to read it. There's so much to know with BFing, huh? How did our grandmothers and great grandmothers get along I wonder? I know my grandmother only BF for three months with each of her bubs (4 of them) and she remembers her nipples bleeding and it being excruiating to feed. Anyway, that's a whole other tangent. I'm so easily distracted these days! :D

Mum also told me to be careful not to pump too much, so will take that on board! I'd hate to get mastitis!!

It sounds like Eva is doing really well now and has feeding all sorted. Good work!


ATM - Had a nice day with DH and Jack. We went for a big walk this morning and then put him down for a nap, which ended up being 5 hours! That's a lot for him during the day. I did give him a dream feed halfway through so that probably helped.

I went for my run, if you can call it that. I took it very slow to say the least. I only did around 1.5km but that was enough. I'll slowly build it up to back to where I was. My goal is to get back into triathlons and do a local duathlon with my tri and running club by my birthday in July. We'll see! :D

Anyway, Jack's down now for the night so it feels great to get a few things done. We've brought our routine forward a bit so we have time together at night and he sleeps. I'll give him a dream feed when we get into bed.

Anyway, have a great night girls!

Hi Carmey, I highly recommend skype. We've just upgraded our computer and got a new webcam and tried it out today with mum. It was great and it really surprised me how clear the picture was. But babies are such tactile things and you can't beat a real cuddle. Still at least they can see her in real time. That's hilarious about your friend's 2 year old calling grandpa skype :rofl: As for moving back, I'd miss the proximity of the east coast, but it would be great to be near my folks right now. I never grew up near grandparents and really missed it. And well done on the run!! Sounds like you'll reach your BD go worries.

ATM - had an awful evening. Matilda has been feeding like such a demon the past few afternoons that I think she's overstimulated my supply. And now its gushing out and drowning the poor thing. So she was on and off crying inbetween with frustration. It was awful. There' milk everywhere. All over her, me, the BF pillow and the couch. Andall over our bed where she projectile vomited. I tried BF lying down but its really uncomfortable for my neck. And I'm worried I may have even strained it a bit. That would just top things off. Just when you think you have teh BF al sorted it goes pear shaped again! :wall: Anyway I'm hoping it will settle down now that her feeding frenzy seems to have slowed up a bit. She's asleep on DH now, so I think I'll go and have a shower and get ready for bed. Hope everyone had a good weekend.

Hi everyone hope you all had a good weekend:)

Hi Tilda The laundry is a nightmare! Nappies, wipes,washers,spew cloths changes of clothes, sheets....LOL and throw in two teenage boys with their stuff as well:o DP has been very good while he's been off work he does a load of nappies in the morning and hangs them out, so that's a big help.
Glad the Bambooties are good, it's a shame they are sized and you have to buy more. I've been using terry flats and bamboo prefolds, the bamboo prefolds are really nice good fit and soft on his bum, but they are also small so won't fit him for much longer. The terry flats are good too and he won't grow out of them! They just aren't very trim if you like a trim fit, I kind of like the big butts on the babies they look cute:D
Hope you get milk over supply sorted soon, I'm sure it will sort it's self out pretty quickly your body should work it out.

Hi Carmey Well done on the run! You'll be back into the swing of it before you know it. How'd you go with getting the white projectile marks out? Was it in the carpet? DS1 used to projectile too and the acid from it permanently stained the carpet! It was old cheap crappy carpet but I could never get the marks out completely. The projectiles seem to have settled a bit here, still little spews but not launching across the room so much, how bout Jack?
BTW I'm very jealous of your routine with Jack! We're miles away from anything like that with Harry, he's still very unpredictable!

We'll Harry's calling better go.

Hi everybody!

It's been ages since I have been on here, so please excuse my lack of personals.......I have had a little look over and thought it was time to introduce myself to the newbies. (or encourage new mummys who just had little babies to come in and chat with us!)

On the 3rd of December I had my second baby girl, Sienna Poppy, via an emergency c-section. She was 3.97kgs and awesome.
I have a 22 month old girl Lila - born on the 10th March 2008... and am trying very hard to split my time between the two.!! So far Sienna will sleep after her 6pm or 7pm feed, sleeping at around 7.30 till anywhere around 12 or 3am. NOTHING like my first who was up every 2 hours for the first few months. :(

I also just completed my birth story if you would like to read... https://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums...-prepared.html

Hope you are all well and getting some much needed sleep.. :)

Love Kanda. (Kath)

Hi Girls - I've been down at the farm house all weekend so have missed heaps!

Hi Tilda - come back to Perth and we can catch up! :D

Hi Kanda - great to hear from you! Glad Sienna is being so great with her sleeping, that's awesome! I'm going to go ready your birth story, as a fellow c-section"er" I'm interested to read how yours panned out. :D

Hi Willow and Carmey - how are you both lovelies? :lol:D

AFM - I think my roids or fissure (I do think it's more likely the latter) is getting a bit better with the cream, doesn't hurt as much but I still look forward to the day I can go to the toilet without grimacing! Sorry if TMI. I'm going to get myself some fenugreek today to try and increase my milk supply, it's been ok but still not good enough to avoid the formula feeds at nearly every feed now. Not that I mind doing that but I really want to continue BF'ing as much as I can but still happy to do both. Some is better than none huh! Amelia is doing great though, she's 6 weeks old today, I can't believe how fast the time has gone, does everyone else feel the same? It just feels like yesterday that I was waiting for her due date to come, it's quite scary how fast it's going. She is really smiling heaps now, especially when you talk to her, it's so adorable it makes my heart melt. I can't wait for the gooing sounds to go with it, had a couple but nothing obvious. She's also still sleeping well at night, getting on average 4-5 hours now, got 6 again last night, she went down at 9.30 pm and woke at 3.30 am, then fed and went back down until 6.30 am. It makes such a difference when they sleep a little longer, hope it lasts!

Today I'm off to the OT, haven't been since before I had Amelia and I'm hanging out for it, my neck, back and shoulders are so sore from BF'ing, most probably my bad posture, I'm taking Amelia as the therapist wants to meet Amelia, I've been going to her for 5 or so years, she's excited to meet her. I hope she's quiet while I'm there LOL! Then I'm off to see a friend for an hour. I have a busy week this week, hope it's not too much for Amelia, now I can drive AND lift the pram I'm going to start getting out more. Tomorrow I thought I'd take a trip into the city to see my work crew - might catch the train though, hate driving into the city, parking alone sux! Then Wednesday catching up with my aqua class girls for morning tea. We're going to discuss doing a mums and bubs swimming class, I really need to get into exercise now I can, I've got 8 kgs to lose! Who said BF'ing made you lose weight, I'm still waiting!!!!!!! People say I don't look like I need to lose it but I've got 8 kgs, got a pudgy gut still and I think my thighs are looking a bit sad ha ha.

Oh and I think I might have gotten AF, my bleeding stopped nearly 2 weeks ago and just a few days ago started again, it's not very heavy though but I'm sure it's proper AF as I have some slight cramps and my boobs are a bit sore - although what's new there ha ha! I didn't think you got AF while you were breastfeeding so there you go....just shows how much I don't know!!!!!

Sorry, I have totally rambled on, hope you're all having a fab day with your bubs. xx

Hi Kanda Have been wondering how you were going, I assumed you were super busy with a new baby AND a toddler to run after! Glad to hear things are going well, excellent that Sienna sleeps so well:thumbsup: wish I could say the same about Harry:rolleyes: he's a lot like his oldest brother was.

Hi Alison Hope all goes well at the OT . I hear ya on the bum problem!! Glad it seems to be coming good. You can get AF while you're BF, not everyone gets lucky and skips it the whole time, maybe they'll be lighter and shorter for you ...oooh you better be extra careful if your DTD urge has returned!:lol: Could be waiting for your next due date sooner than you thought:lol:
Sounds like you're another lucky one and Amelia is settling into a good sleep routine at night, Amelia's got a week or so on Harry so maybe he'll catch up next week...or the week after:pray:

We had another chiro appointment this morning. Harry looks so cute on the table I even took the camera today I'm sure Michael (the chiropractor) thought I was an idiot LOL Harry's still not wanting to tilt his head all the way to the right side but getting better, we have to encourage him to turn to the right when he's having tummy time, but at least it's improved enough so my nipple isn't bleeding any more and he feeds a little more efficiently, although he still gets a bit lazy sometimes.
He's gulping some air too when he feeds just gets lazy and breaks the suction then sucks some air in when he gets back on properly again grrr anyone else had this problem? For those who use the Infants Friend does that help with wind from gulping air? Or is it more for wind caused by other factors? I'm sure if we can get it under control Harry would be more settled all round, well hopefully!
Stinking hot here today 38 I'm glad our chiro was at 9am wouldn't like to be going out now.
Also Harry seemed to be straining a lot the last few days when trying to poo, he never used to do this before,his poos are still yellow and runny though, has anyone else noticed their bubs have a change to that as well? I must say though he's pooed 3 times today without much hassle maybe the chiro straightened that out too he might have been a bit crooked in that area too.

Oh and Tilda on the washing front, we're having visitors for a week tomorrow so DS2 needed to clean out his room so the guests can use it while they're here, well the dirty clothes that have come out of there is ridiculous! There was even clean still folded cloths that obviously he was too lazy to put away and they've ended up in the dirty washing basket:angry: Not happy Jan!

Well I should get back to the washing machine I suppose, it's not getting done while I'm on here chatting:D

Hi Willow - do we have matching bums? LOL Mine is getting better but still not 100% yet, hurry up cream!

On the poo front, considering Amelia gets some formula top ups I'm surprised her poo is still very BF runny - I'm glad though as I'd hate for her to get constipated. Today at the OT she did a massive poo and then bawled for pretty much my whole appointment as she hates a dirty nappy - great timing Amelia! (By the way, my neck and shoulder muscles are hard as rocks so I'm back to square one like when I was working, maternity leave did wonders for my neck and shoulders but of course my back was crap, also, my sciatic nerve is also playing up again so guess everything is still working it's way back to pre-pregnancy!) Anyway, I went to put her back in the car and as I picked her up I felt wetness...................it was a massive poo explosion, all up her stomach, back, you name it so I had to go home and change her before heading to my friends. It was gross and runny and very very yellow!!!!!!!!! No wonder she cried ha ha. As for AF, yes, guess I will have to be extra careful, the urge to DTD hasn't returned yet, does it ever? Poor DH must be wondering but the week and a half in between bleeding I couldn't anyway, technically I've had to wait until today (6 weeks) anyway and now I'm bleeding again LOL! Perhaps I'll have to take that mini pill after all. I really hate the idea of condoms to be honest. Hope you survived the heat today, it's going to be 42 on Sunday in Perth........yukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! Thank god we have ducted aircon and my sister has a pool!

Oh and I bought some Fenugreek tablets today - gosh they're pretty expensive really aren't they - $25.00 for a bottle that probably won't last long, oh well, hopefully they'll do the trick! No-one can say I'm not giving everything a go!

Hope everyone else is well today. :D