Great news, Vic! I had no idea about that nappy change thing - will have to make sure I am more careful with Phoebe!
Agh, Natty has the spews this morning. I HATE it more than anything. Praying like mad that P and I don't catch it.
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Great news, Vic! I had no idea about that nappy change thing - will have to make sure I am more careful with Phoebe!
Agh, Natty has the spews this morning. I HATE it more than anything. Praying like mad that P and I don't catch it.
Morning all! (And it is a lovely morning - Natty hasn't spewed since early afternoon yesterday and so far my running about like a mad woman wielding disinfectant every moment I had free of my limpet child seems to have paid off and the rest of us are well.)
I have been thinking a lot about Krystie's thread and I hope you guys don't mind if I spill some thoughts. I didn't bother replying again to the thread cause it seems you are at peace with it all now, Krystie, and I applaud you for following your instincts. Thing that bugs me is when people quote the WHO as, like, the holy grail of child nutritional information. I do not see how one single body of professionals can possibly make the final decision on the health and safety of every single child on the planet. Children need to be assessed individually on the needs of themselves and of their families. The WHO guidelines should inform our decisions but I get sick of the way the recommendations are touted as the automatic 'fix-it' response to anyone who dares to question something different for their child. I'm all for following your instincts, whether they be in line with the WHO recommendations or otherwise. I wish I had've done more of that when Natty was very small.
I am generally pi$$ed off by people dismissing the issues of mums on the forum because they don't conform to the parenting philosophy of the majority. I like to think we have a range of options available to us as parents, and in a loving home we can feel free to explore the options until we find something that suits our family. And certainly we shouldn't feel trapped by that decision either.
Ok. I think I am done. :) Hope you are all having a good weekend.
morning ladies
Amy - so glad natty is a little better. having an unwell little grl just isn't fair! poor little munchkin!
i agree with treating every baby individually. i have myself touted the WHO recommendations - but i've done it to shut the "know it all's" in my life up. basically saying i trust the WHO more than someone that thought it appropriate to give their child rice cereal at six weeks! for now, we're not introducing solids - E shows interest, but is content with drinking milk. she is sleeping brilliantly at night etc, so i don't see it as a need yet. i think that's what you need to look at - whether your own child NEEDS it. i think so much of parenting needs to be based on your own instinct. i do agree with the WHO pushing the six month mark as much as possible - the baby food manufacturers label their food for 3 months, so lesser educated parents may look at it and think their child needs solids at that age. it's very clever marketing really! i think, in those circumstances, having it said to you that solids aren't necessary until six months in most cases is well worthwhile. i've had both my SIL and a friend tell me that i'm doing the wrong thing attempting to exclusively BF E until six months (or just over) - but the MCHN agrees with me that BLS is the best option, and their little tummy's aren't ready for real food at this age - it means you have to puree things, which i don't want E to be in the habit of eating kwim? i don't think i'll puree any food - mash it with a fork if it's needed, but not puree... lazy parenting all the way!
KL - having done my little waffle - i guess what i'm trying to say is to go with your instinct on when to introduce solids. if you think they're needed early, go with it. if you want to wait then wait. i think some kidlets need the extra, some don't. i've read of a lot of people in the BF general chatter thread that actually say the introduction of any new food can cause sleep regression, so it's a tough call if the main reason you're thinking of introducing food is to help with sleep. i think Naomi has been a great example of where food can help - but it doesn't always...
afu - well we're having a lazy sunday morning this morning. went to friends for Grand Final yesterday. DH had a great time (he's a Geelong boy all the way) - but i felt a bit under the weather before we went. we were told we'd be inside watching the game, so i didn't mind going. well, E and I were inside, everyone else went out to the shed and left me with one much much older lady (who is losing her mind) - actually i lie, DH was inside til quarter time, and a couple of others til just before half time. but yeah, i was essentially in the lounge by myself with E. she fed, she slept. i watched the game but had no one to talk to. just before the end of the game, 7 sixteen year olds came inside to watch the game, E was asleep, and they all made a heap of noise at one point that startled her and she woke up screaming, so back on the boob for her. it was just uninspiring. i could have stayed home and watched. i know DH and his bestie are Geelong fans, and i didn't mind going - but i didn't think i would be abandoned like that! at least DH came home with me just after the game - he wasn't drunk, but if he'd stayed there he would have been...
thought i'd just update E's stats seeing i messed up the other day
so - E's stats
5.910kg
61cm long
43.5cm head circ
so i have a petite little girl with a big boof head!
Amy - I think that your post is great! I also get a bit annoyed when people act like it's the end of the world if you don't follow the WHO guidelines to the letter. It's not like the the day a child hits 6 months that their system suddenly changes to being able to accept solids. Bailey is a great example of a baby that was definitely ready for solids earlier than 6 months. There's also a little girl in my mother's group that is a good example too. Her mum started her on solids at 4 months because she was showing all the signs of wanting to eat. At her next MCHN apt the nurse asked if she was able to eat a whole teaspoon and the mum laughed and said "do you mean tablespoons?". Her mum didn't realise that sometimes a baby will take ages to eat even just one teaspoon, because her daughter started eating 6-7 tablespoons right from the get-go! LOL!
Kyson is still waking 2-3 hourly at night for feeds. It's not fun for me, but at the same time I know it won't last forever. How many 10 year olds do you know that wake during the night for feeds? ;) I have that philosophy about a lot of things. Some people think that I'm crazy to rock (well bounce on the fitball) Kyson to sleep. But at the end of the day it's not going to be forever. How many 15 year olds need to be rocked to sleep? And right now I enjoy the sleepy cuddles and watching his little face go all serene as he nods off to sleep. Too special :)
I thought I would try a different technique last night though. I thought that perhaps he was getting lazy and not taking a full feed before bed. He tends to get lazy or frustrated once the flow of milk slows down. So I let him feed on the breast, and then tried to top him up with EBM in a bottle. I thought that the bottle might be easier to drink out of, and therefore he might fully fill himself up. Well, he totally refused the bottle! Just cried everytime I put it in his mouth. I even tried to trick him by putting in his dummy, and then swapping it for the bottle, but no luck. So then I thought maybe he really was all full up, but if I put him to the breast he would drink again. Cheeky little monkey. And after all that he was awake less than 3 hours later. And a waste of good ebm, lol. DH got him up this morning though so I got an extra hour of sleep :D
hmmmmmmmmmmm
i love E's giggle - but does she have to giggle while i sing to her? talk about a mummy-complex!
Lol, that's so cute BG!
she was very cute with it - ended up snuggling in and going to sleep for me - yay! didn't last long, but any day sleep is a good day sleep!
sorry to hear the change of routine didnt' work for you last night KL - you may find he wouldn't take the EBM cos it wasnt you and you were there kwim? i know E comfort suckles heaps at night til i move her to her own bed - i generally have to let her wake back up, and put her in her bed with her light show/music. i know you started out co-sleeping but am not sure where you're at now, but is this something you've tried. we just have a FP sound and light show and she loves it.
E woke this morning and didn't whinge - she just started playing in her bed! it was so cute to listen to. i'm not sure if she's past the wonder week thing early, but she has been a real pleasant little girl to be around the last couple of days. this is being said as she squawks like a banshee in daddy's arms - no idea what she wants, but she isn't crying, just being noisy while she talks!
HI girls. I'm not coping. Allira's going through a major sleep regression.. it's horrible. She's waking every 20-30 minutes all night and even wanted a feed last night which is pretty unheard of. We are barely getting any sleep, then I have to try and look after the 2 kids all day, clean the house, do dinner etc. It's starting to really wear me out. It's worse than with DS, because at least I ws used to waking every 1.5 hours for feeds every night. This time we've gone from 10-12 hours sleeps down to nothing. She's been really fussy on the breast aswell. I'm trying my hardest not to get too disheartened, but it's so hard with the 2 kids so close in age, living in complete and total isolatation, and just having noone to talk to everyday (apart from you girls online which I would go insane without).
Man, this phase had better pass soon. It's been going on for 2 weeks with the odd full night here and there.
I know I know. Poor me. LOL. It's hard going from such fantastic nights to nothing. So So much harder than with DS.
My head hurts, I'm so tired and worn out, I feel like ****. DH is in the shed working on a car with my dad, Mum has taken Lachie for a walk at least (thankgod she's here), and it's our first wedding anniversary. I've already done a bunch of crying, but I can feel a bit more coming on.
Boo hoo hey! LOL
Vent over.
Nicky: Oh, I'm so sorry :( There's nothing I can say, I know. Wish I could give you a hug. Cry all you want babe. Sometimes its the only way to get through. I am glad your parents are there to help you atm... hopefully you can have a bit of a break and then enjoy the rest of your anniversary. Big :hug: :hug: :hug: to you, mate.
BG: E sounds like such a little star. Giggles in our house are very hard to come by... I am sure she LOVES your singing so much that she can't keep her happiness in ;) Nothing to feel self-conscious about, LOL! (Though I'm sure when our kids are teenagers they'll have no problems making us feel like we're the epitome of uncool, LOL!)
Krystie: Bummer the ebm didn't work. Natty didn't take a bottle either. Haven't tried with Phoeb, but she's such a booby monster its hard to imagine her taking a bottle... Should give it a go one day I guess.
I am glad your DH helps you out - that makes the night waking bearable, I imagine. But you are right, not fun and at the same time, not forever. I feed Phoebe to sleep and I am certain that there are people I've told (family and the nurse) who think I'm making a mistake, but who cares. It feels right to me. And it's so much easier just doing what they want... One day when it stops working we'll do something else and they'll adapt - I think it is wonderful that you're enjoying those sleepy cuddles. That's what its all about.
We went to Lane Cove National Park for lunch and a walk today. But boy, it is so windy. Natty seems really well - she's on bland foods, but no more spew and no runny poos either... fingers crossed it was just a little bug that's completely gone :crossfingers:
I'm looking forward to a quiet night tonight. And a quiet week.
:hugs: to everyone thats having issues passing on sleep vibes from jamie sometimes i dread having another baby coz of how easy it is with him
hes so cute when he looks up at me from the couch like right now lol its his favourite place for day sleeps and hes getting really chatty but i could do without the squealing :)
Hi Guys,
Amy - re Krysties thread - I thought a few were quick to jump in a judge too - and I agree WHOLEHEARTEDLY with you about each kid being individual. It seems we are damned if we do and damned if we dont no matter what choices we make. I was originally planning on going with the WHO guidelines (a) cos Baileys my first and I dont really know any better and (b) feeding solids creates more work which frankly I could do without and (c) cos Bailey was almost a month early I felt he was less developed and therefore not likely to be ready until then. Obviously as you all know solids has made some significant positive changes for us and is 100% the right thing for my boy and I am very very happy that I followed my paed's advice. However, while I will happily tell another mother the success we are having, I wouldn't suggest it would be the right thing for their baby, but let them know all the options so they can decide for themselves. Yesterday we were at a friends GF day from 10am to 9pm so I gave Bailey numerous boob feeds/one bottle feed/sleeps/solids and I felt I was being judged all day - "Wow, he's on solids ALREADY?", and "Spot the new parents" (as I took our baby monitor as Bailey slept in one of the bedrooms), and "Oh you're not (breast) feeding" when I gave him a bottle (as wanted to watch the Grand Final with everyone and didn't feel comfortable getting my boobs out in front of some of the guys) and "Does he self settle" when I was cuddling him to sleep - I felt like I was justifying myself everytime I responded to a comment, sheesh, I went home with a bit of a complex but this morning was thinking about it and got a bit peeved - I really HATE how judgemental some mothers are of others (especially new) mothers. I always rock/cuddle Bailey to sleep and apparantly I am creating 'a rod for my own back' - Bring on the rod - I LOVE cuddling him to sleep, its a special time for snuggley kisses and cuddles every night, I LOVE it, Bailey LOVES it, and DH LOVES it (when I reluctantly let him do it hehehehe), and like Krystie made mention - I dont think Bailey will still let me do it when he's 15 :D. I'm glad you posted what you did so Krystie can make the right informed decision for Kyson. Anyway - re the judgemental mothers, I think thats one of the reasons I appreciate you guys so much, we all have our own ways, but one thing we are united in is support of each other which is a beautiful thing :)
BG - I am with you re the 'lazy parenting'. I am currently doing the puree thing as Bailey needs a bit more work with his motor skills before we can move onto BLS but so far its working well and he seems to love everything I give him - he scoffs it down.
Krystie - I wish I had a magical hint to give you re the sleeping, I know what its like feeding so frequently through the night - we really got lucky and stumbled into our solution and I hope it lasts :crossfingers: I think Bailey is like the little girl in your mothers group - he seems to have a big appetite, I have increased the quantity of food I am giving him and the little cutie sits in his high chair with his mouth wide open leaning towards the spoon and gets impatient if I dont have the next spoonful ready quick enough LOL I was worried about overfeeding him but I understand that once they are full they will just turn away (is that right LOL?)
Nicky - aaaaaaah!! I think its harder to go back to waking when you are used to sleeping through, when Bailey had a rough night last monday it hit me harder as I'd had almost a week of only one feed, whereas before I was just used to getting up - hope Allira settles for you soon. Happy Anniversary too mate - I remember last year when you were telling us you were about to get married :)
Bridg and Nicky - we have decided to head home late sunday now so I wont be able to catch up with either of you - DOH, but never mind, Nov 22 is getting closer and closer. We thought that seeing as we will probably be getting home well after midnight on sunday, we can have a lazy monday rather than getting home late monday night (as DH gets up at 530am for work currently)
J - there is no reason why your second baby wont be as easy as Jamie - People love you tell you that you wont be so lucky next time, but seriously they have no idea - LOL @ the squealing - I cant beleived how high pitched our babies can be with some of their sounds - ear piercing!!!!
Vic - awesome news re the brace, I didn't know that about holding them while changing either (whoops)
Bella - Love the BF pics on FB - very beautiful, I wish I had shots like that of Bailey and I, its pretty special isn't it
We went out today to visit the IL and then my Mum. Stupidly went out when Bailey was due for a nap and paid the price - why oh why must the grandmothers hover in the babies screaming face while you are trying to calm them (my mum was just as bad as the MIL today - DOH). After I finally settled Bailey the MIL asked for another cuddle. I said no, I know she was insulted but I just explained that its just not worth upsetting him again - if she cant understand that then too bad.
Well, I'm off to bed, I have a cold, runny nose, sore throat etc so going to relax. We are still having one feed per night (usually around 2ish) so will go and get a big block of sleep in now. Bailey has woken at 430ish the last two mornings and poo'ed, LOL so have had to get up, change nappy and put him back to sleep - he is such a loud, grunty poo-er - hilarious.
Naomi
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Naomi: I am sorry your friends made those comments. That sucks. Sometimes I find friends can do more harm than good. I have a few friends who are new parents - I am trying so hard to put into practice what I learned I wanted when Natty was new: to just listen and understand, only advise when asked, LOL! BUT it is actually really hard. My BF is 17 weeks pregnant and I am torn between wanting to share every single intimate detail of my births and also wanting to respect her space, her privacy, the fact that her birthing philosophy might be different to mine...
When you're a first-time mum everyone knows everything about child-rearing... even if they haven't had kids, LOL. But, my sisters-in-law were awesome when Natty was born. DH's sister was just so understanding - I'd tell her how crap I was feeling about something and she'd say, "Oh yes! I remember feeling that way too" or something and I'd feel heaps better about it. My other SIL is a midwife and I used to email her constantly asking her questions, like "You know how Natty screams for hours on end in the afternoon... do you think she is hungry? Should I feed her more often?" and my wonderful SIL would reply, "Amy, do YOU think she is hungry? You can feed her more often if you like. Or you can just ride it out. She is your baby and you are the best person to make that decision" etc. When I reflect, I think I was just so very lucky to have the support I've had.
So sorry for all that waffle!
Hope your cold goes away very soon.
I think little miss Phoebe is finally asleep. She usually falls asleep on the boob, but some nights she's just hypo or something and she just stares at me instead of falling asleep. So beautiful! Then she gets really antsy, so I know she's dog-tired. So I put her in bed. Sometimes after a little while she starts to cry and with a little top-up feed she falls asleep. Other times (like tonight) I don't hear another peep from her. It is just so different to when Natalie was a baby. I needed to pat her bottom until she was well and truly asleep - every time.
Jacinta, there's every chance that your second may well be even easier than Jamie! ;)
BG - Hmmm, I wonder if you are right about Kyson not wanting the EBM from a bottle when the "real-deal" was right in front of him. Maybe next time I should get DH to try... Can't do it tonight though because DH is DJing tonight. I miss him because he gave up DJing on Fri and Sat nights after Kyson was born (just kept the Sun nights), but this week he did guest spots on both Fri and Sat night, so I've missed him all weekend. Gosh I soooo shouldn't complain with the way things are for you in regards to your DH being away though!
Kyson is still co-sleeping with us, but he's been in his own cot since he was about 2 months old. His cot is up against my side of the bed with the side off so that his matress is flush with mine. Makes feeding during the night eay because I can just sit up and pull him across. I often wonder if he wakes more because he's next to us, or because he's just gotten used to me tending to him so quickly, but I guess I'd prefer to have him wake more often in the night at this stage than move him to his own room. He would probably be ok, but I don't think I'm ready, lol. We're aiming to move him to his nursery at about 8 months. Hopefully by then his feeds will be less during the night because I don't like the idea of getting right out of bed during the night hehe.
Nicky - Oh gosh! 20-30 minutes?! And I was complaining about 2 hourly waking and feeding! It's hard enough staying bright and alert during the day looking after one baby after a rocky night, so I can't even imagine how you are feeling with the two :( Don't feel bad for having a cry, it's a wonderful outlet. Cry as much as you feel you need to. Even if you didn't get to celebrate your anniversary, I hope you enjoyed it in your heart. :hug:
Amy - DH is great in the mornings. Even during the week when he gets up for work he still generally gets Kyson up for his first nappy change and play. Kyson gets sleepy quickly in the morning, so comes back to bed with me for a feed and sleep in time for DH to get himself and the DSS's ready for the day. He loves the morning time with Kyson because Kyson is always such a happy, giggly boy in the morning. The rest of the day it's pretty much all me though most of the time. Kyson has become a rather velcro baby and won't go to anyone for most of the day (DH is just lucky in the morning, lol). By the time DH gets home from work Kyson will go to him for maybe 5-10 minutes. And the other day I realised DH has never managed to put Kyson to bed when he lay him down in the cot with his head at the wrong end, LOL! Then I do all the night feeds and settling so that DH can sleep. He's started a new job which is pretty intense (CIO of BOM) so I like to let him get as much rest as he can :)
Jacinta - Kyson has dicovered the squeal too. Very cute, but VERY loud, lol. He talked all through mother's group on Friday (except when he slept) and was so noisy, haha!
Finger's crossed number 2 is just as good a sleeper as Jamie. I don't think you are crazy at all with wanting another baby already. I was joking about the next baby the same day I had Kyson. I would be TTCing now if I could, but I have an appointment I have to go to in a months time before we can do anything. I saw someone in a parents room last week that had a preggie belly that looked like mine did, and I got jealous! ;)
Naomi - No matter what gets said anywhere on BB, NEVER EVER feel guilty for giving Bailey solids when you did! It sounds like you don't feel any regret which is fabulous, and I would hate for you to let what anyone else says (on here and IRL) make you second-guess yourself. Bailey is doing so well, and starting solids has been fantastic for him :) The same goes for everything else that you are doing with Bailey. If rocking is good for you all, then rock away my dear :D I bounce Kyson to sleep every time he sleeps (day and night) and we are quite happy with the arrangement (as are my new buns-of-steel ;) ).
I think you are right about them just turning away when they are full. Kyson even does that with the breast. Sometimes I'm not convinced he's finished his feed and will try to entice him to have more by rubbing the nipple over his mouth, but if he's done he just clamps those gorgeous little lips together!
Vic - Congratulations for little CJ!!! What wonderful news. She's ging to have the brace off in no time! I bet she'll even defy the odds and be one of the first of our babies to crawl ;)
well i discovered that im now in the TWW wow i didnt think i'd be saying that this month its so soon
and AMY lol how could any baby be easier than jamie lol i shouldn't say that i cursed myself hes had to have his first dose of panadol today i think he might be getting a tooth and he was tired at the same time poor poppet crying in pain and tired do not mix
Thanks girls.
And here I am still awake. haha. What a nutjob. I should be taking the opportunity to sleep when I can, but I just love trying to make the most of the quiet time to do 'me' things.
Ah well, tomorrow is another day.
I just wished I lived somewhere that there were other human beings. Stupid living in the sticks. I tell you what, Hubs owes me! HAHA.
mwah thanks all.
Jacinta - All the best for your TWW! You'll be fine. I often wondered why I went back for number 2 after DS was one of those hellish children who never slept or ate properly (haha and here I am whinging now about Allira). Allira is a MUCH easier baby. I think being a second time mum, being pretty chilled during pregnancy, and just having all that confidence after seeing DS hit the 2 year mark pretty much unscathed, really helped.
Mwah to you all. I'll pop back tomorrow with more persies.
xxoo
Jacinta - GL with the 2ww :crossfingers:
Amy - I am pretty lucky in that all my girl friends are fab, our friends from GF day are really Sean's mates wives, and they are all a bit traditional with the parenting styles (so while techically they are my friends, they are friends I would not necessarily choose for myself IYKWIM hehehee). I dont think my girls would make comment in the same way (they never have so far) and we all ask each other what works for each other etc but are pretty good not to judge :)
Bailey is currently breakdancing spinning on his playmat - he has done a couple of laps LOL, better give him some breakie!!
Back later x
Naomi
Hi all. Im typing this in Word because I know I will get interrupted, and I really want to post.
Im lost with all the WHO stuff. I did however work out what WHO stands for.
BG- Glad to hear ur normal MCHN is back. It must be a lot less stressful at appointments now. Bugger about GF day. Hopefully next year will be different. How cute of Miss E to giggle while u were singing to her?!
Vic- Yay for CJ only having to wear her brace while sleeping. If ur not supposed to lift both feet at a nappy change, then how do u do it? I was trying a few different ways last night, but couldn?t find any that didn?t feel strange.
Amy- Sorry to hear Natty was sick. Its so unfair on little ones when they are sick. Im glad u had some supportive friends and family when u had Natty. I bet it would of made a huge difference than if they had not of been supportive.
Nicky- Sorry to hear ur not coping. Big huge hugs. I can understand how u feel. Vent and cry if u need to. U know that we are all here for u.
Jacinta- I reckon the boys can scream/squeal just as loud as the girls! GL with the TWW. I bet it will go so slow now.
Naomi- Sorry to hear GF day went pretty crappy. Maybe u and BG should have had ur own GF day. I totally understand u re the ?creating a rod for ur own back? comment. I get it from my mum aaall the time. I tell her we are in the year 2009, not 1984. When I had Jake and Zac, there were very few times I had to rock them to sleep, as they settled really well. Logan is a different story, and I would rather him go to sleep feeling safe and comfortable. I was at a baby shower, and I said to someone ?oh, he generally will only go to sleep with me?, and they said ?oh, bridget, that?s not good?, and I said ?yeah it is.? Good on u for standing up to the MIL too! If solids are working for u and Bailey, and ur paed was happy for him to start, then bugger what everyone else thinks. U know u are doing the right thing by ur child.
Krystie- Sending sleep vibes to Kyson. Sorry to hear he has been waking frequently. Fingers crossed it passes soon.
Bella- How cute, re the shy gesture at DH.
AFU, Well not much has been happening here. Logan is still really unsettled, and just doesn?t know what he wants half the time. He is still trying to pull himself up to sit straighter, but gets cranky when he cant.
Just a bit of a note: I think that some people do get judgmental, and it?s the last thing a new mother needs. I think new mums need all the support they can get, and what works for one Mummy, may not work for the other. I also think the way a parent chooses to raise their children, is their business, and not anyone elses. (Unless the child is in danger) I found that when I had Jake and Zac, no one really gave me advice (apart from other twin mums) because no one had experienced having twins. Anyway, enough babble from me.
Bridg - agree totally re a new mother needing support not judgement. Our GF day was actually really good overall, the comments were just a small part fortunately :) LOL at the WHO - I always wondered what everyone was talking about too until I went and had a look at their site one day. I thought they were talking about the band - LMAO
Gotta get back to it, Bailey and I are cleaning the house, I must say though that he is really shirking his half of the chores - just lazing around on the playmat while I plug away - LOL
Hi girls,
Another just quick one for me! Sorry not too many persies
Nicky- Jemima has just been thru 3 weeks of hell. Not every 20-30 mins like allira but 1-2-3 hrly o/n. All of a sudden she has just started to come out of it.. i hope i haven't jinxed myself! but yest my milk changed, i feel like i have heaps now and she has had two 6 hr sleeps one 7 and nearly 8 hrs last night!!! yay!!! So hopefully it will end. I figured that jemima was struggling to increase my supply and so i started to actively try to help her. i have been drinking HEAPS of water and drinking fenugreek tea and expressing to demand even more and all of a sudden it has worked. I was finding she was feeding all the time and instead of falling of the boob like a leech full of blood (ok so i know that is a strange analogy, but it is the one that keeps popping to mind) she was just going till it hurt and i was having to pry her off and put her down to sleep and she would then wake soon after. Even if that isn't what is happening for you i think that the old saying "this too will pass" is one to cling to. Thinking of you mate.
So that is us... getting more sleep and hubby is off for 4 days so spending my tie with him. Glad you all liked my BF pictures. I am really proud of them!
Must go, need quality time with DH
Love to you all
Bella
hi all
Bella - so glad that J seems to be settling down again - i know how frustrating it can be when feeding all of a sudden goes nuts - E has had a few days like that last week, then Saturday she just changed all of a sudden. was really weird. i'm now just letting her, where possible, feed until she comes off - a lot of the time i don't think she's really feeding, more just stimulating the milk supply - so i let her go with it. i only take her off if she bites. it seems that she falls asleep and maybe she's teething cos all of a sudden i get this gummy little bite! even without teeth it hurts! enjoy your time with your DH!
Bridg - isn't it cute watching them try to sit up already. as much as they get frustrated, it is so amazing to watch those little developmental things! E seems to have been sitting up for ages in our arms, but it's only the last few days that she's trying to sit up from laying down. gets grumpy when it doesn't work, but she'll get over it! i'm guessing Logan is trying hard to be like his big brothers - very cute!
Nicky - had to laugh at your post about not sleeping while A sleeps! i do the same thing during the day. i'm dead tired at the moment (i have a cold so feeling a bit yuk) but i find IF i can get E to sleep when she isn't laying on me, i just relax in the lounge, i don't go to sleep. i figure i might have a nap with her this arvo. i guess that wouldn't be so easy to do with a older child as well...
Noami - i almost woke E when i read about Bailey shirking his responsibilities with the cleaning! so cute! hope he's trying a little harder now to pull his weight! at least he's happy laying on the play mat - he'll have to have a chat with E at the meet up and teach her that sometimes mummy's need some time to do things! lol
Hi to everyone else - having a mind blank for anymore persies...
AFU - well, E is asleep on me - again. think she is going through a growth spurt cos all she wants to do is eat and sleep. i am a little worried she may have the cold DH and I have - but she's not snuffly at all. the only thing that is playing on my mind is that DH woke this morning with a sore throat and he isn't snuffly... hmmmm, waffle-ville! i don't want to give panadol with no reason so i'm just keeping an eye on her
anyhoot, yesterday she slept in my arms for over 3 hours, attaching, feeding, coming off, sleeping. i just let her do it. i figured she needed sleep, she needed food - why mess with what was happening! she was content, i was content - stiff bikkies to everyone else's opinion! i probably popped her off more than she wanted to be - she has developed a habit of gummy biting me when she's sleeping. i know it's not intentional (she's asleep! lol) but DAMN it hurts, so i pop her off,. if she wants to feed again, she attaches properly and it doesn't hurt... i'm making the most of every moment with her. it might not be ideal long term to do stuff like this, but she doesn't seem to want to feed like that when we're out anywhere, so i guess she just makes a mammoth effort to feed at home...
hmmm, i ramble too much
ooh yeah, one last update - DH has some work this week. he registered with a temp agency on friday lunch time, got a call less than an hour later to see if he would cover for a driver that was injured IF he couldn't work on Monday - he'd get the call on Sunday. no call yesterday, so we slept in this morning. he got a call at half 8 saying that the other guy just hadn't shown up for work, so could he come in - he had to get up, organise food and shower and stuff, drive 45 mins to work - and was there in under two hours - so this week he has a week of work (as far as we know) and it may become a longer term thing. the temp agency guys LOVED his resume so he may stay with them (they are recruiting for the local milk collection mob at the moment). he was supposed to have an interview tomorrow but i have to call and reschedule that (we're obviously looking at long term goal of perm work), and has a lead about another from a friend who works with another trucking mob locally. so it's looking a lot less stressful now... i'm just stuck at home with no car at the moment (and will be all week) as his ute is off the road needing some repairs. it hasn't been needed in ummmmm 2 years, so it needs a decent service lol mum is picking me up tomorrow to take E and I to the GP so she can have her jabs.
ok, must away and find this number and make this call. sigh. i hate making these calls - i don't want to sound like DH can't make them - but he's working! lol
Sorry for no persies this post, but I just wanted to let everyone know that Logan rolled over from his back to his front today, without any help! I'm so proud of him!
that's awesome Bridg!!
E is too much of a slack arse to roll over! she likes putting her little legs under herself and pushing off along the ground/bed/change table lol
Yaaaaaaah Logan - nice work with the rolling!!
Woohoo Logan!
BG: Great news about DH's work! I'm taking P on Friday for her needles :(
Naomi: PMSL @ the Who :lol: You crack me up. I wonder what advice they give? I imagine its only applicable to their generation... yuk, yuk, yuk. Take my wife... please. I'm here all week.
bwahahaha you're funny Amy!
just having a bit of a giggle at DH. he doesn't mind changing nappies - usually does a good job. HATES me seeing him make booboos (like trying to put a nappy on back to front! lol
Happy Birthday Krystie
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Happy Birthday KL! hope you have a fantastic day!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRYSTIE!!!
BG- Logan sits up when hes on our knee too, but is still trying to pull himself up. Yay for DH getting work. Hopefully it continues. Did u tell DH that the pockets go at the front?
Bella- Glad to hear the milk supply has increased and Jemima is sleeping better. Enjoy spending time with DH.
Naomi- lol at Bailey helping with the housework.
Amy- Logan has needles Thursday.
we have so many different types of nappies that he just gets lost - he realised what he'd done straight away but i still seen so got to giggle! at least he didn't end up wearing any pee yesterday - the last week or so he's been peed on three times - he just leaves it a couple of minutes too long before getting a nappy back on her lol:
we're off for needles in an hour or so. not looking forward to it. am feeling rather tired and just don't want to hear my poppet crying! not that i have a choice, given she's asleep in my bed, crying in her sleep (the little hiccupy sobs) and that's all i can hear on the monitor - have checked her heaps - i think she's either got a wind pain (she smiled last time i checked her) or she's having nightmares. i tried to make a bit of noise and gently wake her while i was getting myself some socks - she just rolled her head over the opposite way and kept on sobbing
Ohhh, Bg, that's sad :( P was starting to cry in her sleep before too and I was going to see if she'd resettle but Natty wouldn't have it. Every time the monitor clicked on she'd say, "Mummy, Phoebe is crying. You HAVE to help her!" Hope the needles go just fine and that she doesn't get too upset.
Happy birthday, Krystie! :D
sigh - gotta go wake her up - need to feed her (12 hours of no feeding on one side - i'm walking lopsided!) and get her ready to go before mum turns up to get us. i HATE waking a sleeping bubba - but if i don't, she won't get a feed and will be in a dirty dirty mood lol
Happy Birthday Krystie!!
Hi everyone! Have had a couple of hours sleep over the last few nights, so feeling alot better.
Will pop back later. Housework to catch up on.
xxoo
Nicky - soooo glad you are getting a little bit of sleep - even a little makes a big difference! Cute that Allira is blowing raspberries - you have to take some footage and post on FB so we can have a giggle :)
BG - I am with you, I always feel a bit guilty when I wake Bailey (which is rare I must say), but sometimes it just cant be avoided - the old mantra 'Never wake a sleeping baby' always rings in my mind. Hope E goes ok with her jabs today. LOL @ the lopsided boobs - Bailey prefers my left and I am worried that when I give up this breastfeeding gig I will be lopsided, I'm always telling the best milk is in the right side hahahahaha
Amy - Sooooo cute of Natty to plead with you to help Phoebe - sisterly love rocks (I always wanted a sister!!) hehehe re the Who
Kat - hows Ivy going? Hope things are getting easier for you and your precious girl is sleeping/feeding easier for you
Krystie - again Happy Birthday, enjoy your first birthday as a Mummy - takes on a whole new meaning now doesn't it? In a few years we'll be receiving badly made birthday cards made with love that we will treasure for ever :)
Bella - so pleased to hear the things are settling with J - she is so soooo adorable and you can see the love in your eyes in the BF photo's. I really love the idea of the 'Mothers Blessing' your friend had, I was reading your FB and thought that the sentiment of nourishing the mother so she can nourish her baby is so soooo sweet!
Busy few days for us, managed to clean the whole house and do all the washing yesterday, its only the second time I've got it done all in one day since Bailey was born but hey, twice in 5 months isn't too bad!! LOL. Took the little guys swimming again this morning, he is enjoying it more and more today - even cracked a few smiles!! He loves the water but the pool noise seems to intimidate him, its loud with all the kids and babies and really echo'y but today he just seems to relax and even kicked his legs - he LOVES to float - I reckon he'd float for the full 30 mins if I let him hahahaha
Tonight we are having an Infant and First Aid course here in our home - its kinda like a tupperware party idea where you host it and invite who-ever along and they just pay for themselves and you learn CPR, home safety etc all aimed at little ones up to about 10 years old - great concept! We were meaning to do a First Aid course before Bailey was born but just ran out of time so I am glad we are finally doing it! DH invited the IL which is good as when I eventually feel comfortable for them to look after Bailey (when he's 18 LOL) at least I know they have some training should something go wrong...
Ahhh, the little man stirs, must away - Hi to all I've missed
Naomi
x
Sorry... another selfish post from me except to say...
HHHUUUUUGGGEEE HAPPY BIRTHDAY HUGS to you Krystie. Hope you're having an awesome day.
Thanks to those who replied directly to my post about DH falling asleep. For those who missed it, I went out without Ivy for the first time last Thursday night. Texted DH to make sure all was ok... nothing... called - no answer... called the home phone - no answer... called the mobile again - no answer... ran out of the place and drove home like a maniac to find DH asleep on the couch with Ivy drooping towards the floor. So mad / scared / overwhelmed. So many 'what if's' running through my mind for hours afterwards. Felt so guilty that I'd left her... felt like I might has well have left her alone. In fact, she may have been safer as at least she wouldn't have been in danger of being dropped or smothered. It was really upsetting and has really solidified the fact that I can't leave him alone with her for more than a few minutes at a time until he gets his sleep issues sorted - it's not normal to fall asleep so suddenly and sleep so deeply and we think he might have sleep apnoea.
Had an awesome weekend away at the Grampians. Ivy was an absolute angel to the point that she had people asking 'does she ever cry'??!! Woke in the middle of the night a few times but just lay there and chatted to herself until I put her in bed with me and then she went back to sleep. Poor love SCREAMED for most of the journey home however which was very traumatic for all involved. Ended up taking about 5 1/2 hours for a 3 1/2 hour trip as we had to stop lots and in the end nothing would console her. I wound up just crying along with her.
And now, she's back to being a nightmare to settle for day-sleeps. After my little vent on FB last week my friend sent me her copy of the book 'sleep right, sleep tight' (and a ton of chocolate - she's so lovely!) but I have to say, I'm not entirely comfortable with the strategies suggested. I'd rather 'the rod for my back' than allowing Ivy to work herself into hysterics by trying to settle her in her cot for 20 mins in spite of crying. I know it comes to that for some people though and I guess that I'm willing to work through this the 'gentle' way as I do have the time, energy and patience... most of the time!
So we're still doing it a bit tough... but it's still amazing. Ivy's really shifting again. Has so much more 'intention' now. I WANT that toy... I want to sit up... I don't want you to put me down and I'm soooo going to tell you all about it if you do! I can't quite describe it. She's just got a different look in her eye this week like she understands so much more about what's going on. So amazing to watch that little mind figure out the world.
Naomi that first aid course is a great idea. I've been trying to find someone who will do it with out mother's grp but no luck so far. Think we might have to just go and do a St John's course but with being unable to leave Ivy with DH... don't know if that's really doable. Glad Bailey had fun swimming again. We're off for our second swim tomorrow... that should tire the little monster out!!
Hi to everyone else!
Hey Girls!
How you all going? Can you believe our babies are 4 mths old (or almost) already!?? Wow..times sure does fly!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY KRYSTIE!!! Is it the big 30? Ahhh 30..it's like the new 20 hehe
Cara is teething FOR SURE! She has clamped down on my boob a couple of times with her gums. Drooling heaps and waking up a lot at night. I don't think it will be too much longer before I feel a little tooth poking thru!
She's at such a cute age now, she sometimes will stop during a feed and just smile and have a 'chat' hehe..so cute. Distracting when you are trying to feed her out and about though. I have yet for her to take my boob with her when she turns to quickly look at something hehe.
Santosha: Whoa..that's scary with your DH. I'm glad to hear she was ok. I think every Mum has one or two scary moments when they are little. Freaks you out I know.
Getting some pixi photos of the girls done this week!! Wooohooo!! Immunisations are around the corner too. Sigh..Cara was a bit grumpy last time.
happy four months baby girl!
needles today weren't too bad. bit of a squawk, put her on the boob - nothing much else. she's very much mummy and daddy's girl and a bit sleepy, but not too bad. need to feed - might bbl
Kat: I'm sorry - I didn't catch up with your thread. That must've been awful... I hope you guys can resolve his sleep problem soon. :hug:
Awesome that you had such a good time away. We still haven't done any trips yet, although DH would love to go camping somewhere... I just don't feel up to it yet.
IKWYM about not feeling comfortable with routines in a lot of those books. I read way too many of those before having Natty and it made me very anxious. This time I am definitely just doing what feels right. So far it has been great, but today was a shocker. Usually P settles with the boob and is easy to put down, but not today.
BG: Glad the shots went ok. Hope its a good night.
Cathy: I like the 'social' feeding too, but I agree, it is difficult to manage when out. The other day I was feeding her at a coffee shop with Mum cause she'd been crying like she was really hungry. I popped her on the boob and she kept stuffing around, looking up at me and grinning - normally I'd find it adorable, but I just felt a bit uncomfortable with so many people about!
Naomi: Hope the first aid thing goes well tonight. I agree with Kat, it's a tops idea.
The swimming sounds wonderful :)
Bridg: All the best for Thursday.
Ugh, just couldn't get it right today. Phoebe was difficult to settle and Natty was really clingy with a cold. I felt smothered and yelled at all day. As soon as DH walked in (right after I'd finished putting Natty to bed) I told him I was going for a walk. Took off for 20 minutes up and down the main street, on the way back I skipped. Felt like a knob but it did help a little. I've got to get to bed but am just waiting to see if Phoebe has finally gone to sleep - she didn't fall asleep on the boob but was very tired, so I popped her in bed and hoped for the best.
Actually, I don't have anything interesting to say. Sorry. xx
Hi all!
Things have been better here the last few days, but I am finding it a struggle after 6pm if hubs hasn't gotten home from work. I think I need to get out and do some more a$$ busting exercise. LOL
Amy - It's funny how just getting out of the house and pounding the pavement helps so much hey!? I so look forward to my class on a Monday and my PT session on a Wednesday. It's hellping me get most of my frustration out without being psycho mumma. Hope the girls both let you have a good night's sleep.
BG - Happy 4 months to E! Allira had her needles last week, and was pretty good with them. She didn't seem to get as much of a temp as she did after the first lot. I hope E sleeps reeally well tonight for you and Hub.
Cathy - The boob chomping is great hey... NOT. LOL I am not looking forward to Allira's teeth finally cutting. They've been a long time coming now.
Kat - huge hugs again. Glad to hear you had a great time away though. I can't wait to get away in a bit over a week... and we'll be child free (I worry that I am looking forward to it so much. LOL).
I'm not really someone who can follow alot of what the books say. I do like to read them all and try and understand where the author is coming from, and then I take what I want from different techniques and make my own. DS wasn't a sleeper until he hit 12 months of age, and I thought it would NEVER happen. It does. It just seems such a long way of when you're in the middle of it... I can completely understand that having the last 2 weeks we've had here. LOL
Naomi - That infant anad First Aid course sounds like a fantastic idea! Do you know if it's strictly a SA thing? I would be really interested in having one at my home or even at playgroup. What wonderful idea! Yay for all the hosuework! I get probably one day a week were I get really motivated, get halfway through, and then konk out. Bailey sounds like he's really enjoying the swimming lessons! That's fantastic! I can't wait to get Allira swimming. We didn't get Lachie into lessons until last term and he didn't cope very well for the first few lessons, but now he's a pro and absolutely Loves it!
Ok enough waffle from me. I'm about to head to bed and see if I can get a few extra hours sleep tonight. I'm so sore after my class last night and I'll be feeling worse tomorrow..... which will SUCK when I have my PT session tomorrow night! EEK! I'm still looking forward to it though.
Also considering starting weight watchers soon. I've got so much weight to lose and I need some sort of plan to follow. You girls can kick me up the bum if I am being lazy with my exercise or food. lol
xxoo
morning all
we had a surprisingly good night last night with E - she went to bed at normal time, and apart from a couple of times crying in her sleep, she slept til 5 this morning. would have been later but DH was getting ready for work and hasn't quite worked out that it's not a bad thing to get dressed in another room so he doesn't disturb her lol! she had a feed, a bit of a play and was back asleep by 6-ish. by then though, i'd been awake since the alarm went off at 5 (go figure HE has to go to work and it's up to ME to kick him out of bed!). will probably have an afternoon nap with DD today, but i figured i'd come out to the lounge and leave her to sleep. poor little poppet has bruises on her legs :(
am supposed to go to c'link today and have a serious case of the CBF's - i rang yesterday to withdraw the claim cos i know it's going to be denied, but cos he was technically out of work for 10 days, i might get something (probably all of $5, so i really should get off my butt and go. didn't realise they were wanted ID stuff for DH though (should open the mail earlier) so i'm going to have to go tomorrow when he knocks off (has an interview today)
ahhhh, such a self centred ramble today! must run before you all get sick of me lol
hi all
Kat- So sorry that you had that scare! must have been awful. I am assuming that she was other than just asleep in your DH's arms? Does he fall asleep like that all the time? If he had sleep apneoa, watch him sleep and you will know. He will stop breathing for periods of over 20secs at a time and then semi-startle or move to open his airway again. He may do this over and over all night and so be fatigued and worn out in the morning. If it is sleep apneoa, he eneed to go to a sleep center and get sorted cos all of lack of oxygen can be damaging over time.. fingers crossed and thinking of you both.
Naomi- the mother blessing was for my sister. It is a really lovely idea. no-one brings gifts for the baby, unless perhaps it is a bead for the necklace that the mother wears during labour to remind her of all of the women who are thinking of her during that time. Everyone is asked to bring a bead and then during a little ceremony they give it to her and tell her something uplifting or encouraging, as they thread the bead onto her necklace. At one point there is a ball of red wool that is thrown around the circle of women, back and forth creating a "web of support", and as each woman recieves the wool they wrap the wool around their arm to anchor it, and when they throw it on, they say a word which represents their wish for the mothers birth experience. when done everyone cuts the wool on either side of their wrist and wears it until the mother births. My sister gave everyone a simple bead to go with it. Then we all hung out and rubbed her feet and hands and neck and talked and ate. One of her friends is a bit more of a hippy (said with all the best of love!) and so got out the henna. I had so much fun adding to the belly painting. For her last pregnancy she had a picture of the baby drawn swimming in the womb in colours on her belly. Anyway a lovely experience and a lovely thought. averyone brought food to put in her freezer or will bring her something fresh in the days/weeks after the birth and perhaps fold a basket of washing for her or do some washing.
BG- glad to hear you had a bit better night with E. It's so nice to rest properly!
Amy- Sorry to hear things have been tough there! Glad having a walk helped. it is amazing what a little bit of excersise and time on your own can do.
Nicky- Glad to ear things are getting better!
Cathy- Good luck with the needles and the teething:) fingers crossed she is better this time.
AFM-well we have been in our own little world the last few days. DH has had 5 days off and we have been having fun. DH has been so kind and supportive, has gotten out of bed 4 out of 5 mornings and let me sleep in till 10! so catchin up on sleep. then we went to an airshow on Saturday and spent all day in the shade of a fig tree watching the world go by. the jets didn't bother J at all. She fell asleep during the noisy bit! Then watched the fireworks with us:)
We couldn't quite work out going to a fancy resturant to belatedly celebrate our wedding anniversary, so we put J to bed early and DH cooked for me and we had a bottle of champagne. Was lovely.
Now we r gonna go for a swim. Have been taking J into the pool often she really likes it! Although I think she breathed in some water the other day. She was alright but Naomi i wanted to know if you could tell me how they teach babies to hold their breaths under water? and how do they teach them to float?
Bella