Non Vac's Q?

[Livinthedream]

I dont want to sound like a smart alec, so please can I state that this is purely out of curiosity.
For those of you who have chosen not to vac, where do you draw the line?
I mean, what if you were taking your child to a country where malaria was rife, would you vac then?.(for malaria)
Are there some needles you would give your kids?,
Just cause I am nosey ....

[Cassius2]

i am a partial vaccinator LOL! DD is on a delayed schedule of vaccination and in response to your question: yes. if we were travelling to a country like PNG with malaria etc she would have the vacc.

but i guess i am not the perfect person to ask in regards to your question as i am not wholly opposed to vaccinating...only when ITMS.

[krysalyss]

I think you have to do some research and check all of your facts to make the decision for yourself.
Some things you need to keep in mind are: not all malaria preventative medicines (I think they are all oral tablets but could be wrong) are suitable for all regions. How long are you going for? What type of malaria is it (e.g. what are the likely consequences) and what are the other ways of preventing the illness.
I spent 6 months in Borneo and didn't use Malaria preventative medication and wouldn't for my child if I took him for a similar time. Malaria preventatives can cause other side effects (such as increased risk of suburn and my family has a history of melanoma, as well as affecting your liver and interfering with the pill, I have also burnt my oesophagus with doxy tabs) especially when you go for quite a long time. Plus you can decrease your risk my wearing light clothing, avoiding mossie areas around dawn and dusk, mossie nets etc.
I think it is a matter for case by case assessment for both adults and kids.

I would off the top of my head probably vaccinate DS some things like tetanus, polio, typhoid if going to a similar place for a similar time.

[Lulu]

Depends on the situation. Krys cover the malaria instance nicely.

You would have to be more direct in your questions I think.

[Livinthedream]

I guess what I am trying to ask, is, is it the idea of putting chemicals into your childs body that you find abhorrent, or the risks of contracting the diseases vs the potential effects of the vacs that makes you not vaccinate?
How do I say it right?
Argghh, so hard to explain, but basically, I want to know if those who dont vaccinate are against vaccinations full stop, or if you would still give some?, for example, tetanus

[krysalyss]

I can only speak personally. I think we always have to remember that although diseases exist out there that vaccines are still a product - and one that makes a lot of money for pharmaceutical companies. Therefore just like any other medication you need to look firstly at your own situation and secondly at the actual product - is it what you need? I don't believe in generally mass vaccinating for everything. I think vaccines probably cause unwanted side effects and that as time goes on more and more conditions such as asthma will be linked to over vaccinating.
I also think that because of effective marketing it is practically impossible to get a balanced POV from your doctor. In essence when can you be sure they understand the total short and long term effects of vaccinating and how much have they relied on the company producing the drug to be forthcoming. Therefore you have to rely on yourself and your own research to make a decision.
It is considered a good thing to only use anti-biotics when actually necessary because of side effects and the risk of bacteria becoming resistant to current anti-biotics but the same doesn't seem to be applied to vaccines.

[Lulu]

I'm certainly not speaking for every non vaccer. I think everyone has very individual reasons and put alot of though into why/why not.

Hep B - pfft. Babies aren't sexually active, not use iv drugs. I don't live in a high risk area either.
Tetanus - nope, don't live on a farm.
Polio - there isn't any to catch.

I don't like their bodies being LOADED with foreign stuff, especially when they are so small.

My son may or may not be on the spectrum, I'm unsure about any correlation with a particular vac and autism. It was just another reason though, not the primary one.

Other stuff I consider normal childhood illnesses and treatable. I am conscientious about keeping my kids out of general population when they aren't well. I wish other people would do the same and stop blaming non vaccers for the spread of disease.

I'm not wearing a foil hat but tbh, in the past the govt (and other govts) have been negligent and sometimes reprehensible in their actions re: immunisations.

If it wasn't for the crappy science back then HIV wouldn't have spread through the world. No foil hat - FACT.

I'm in the middle of trying to finish this housework so it's a bit disjointed. You would probably have better luck trying to understand it if you had a look in some of the past threads about this.

[Livinthedream]

Thankyou for your replies, i am not so much interested in the debate weather to vac or not. I can see both sides to the story and respect peoples opinions either way.
I was merely curious as to weather those who didnt vaccinate (the usual 2,4,6,12mth shots), choose not to have ANY type of vaccinations or if it was primarily the baby needles.

[Junglemum]

we have not had all vaccs. But as we have just decided to move to PNG we will be having more. (prob not varicella though) From my research so far i don't think we'll take anti-malaria tabs. But still looking into it.

[Lulu]

Argghh, so hard to explain, but basically, I want to know if those who dont vaccinate are against vaccinations full stop, or if you would still give some?, for example, tetanus

Sorry, I thought I'd answered your questions. If you know the pros and cons why did you ask? They are the reasons and answers to the questions posed.

[hmn]

I guess what I am trying to ask, is, is it the idea of putting chemicals into your childs body that you find abhorrent, or the risks of contracting the diseases vs the potential effects of the vacs that makes you not vaccinate?
How do I say it right?
Argghh, so hard to explain, but basically, I want to know if those who dont vaccinate are against vaccinations full stop, or if you would still give some?, for example, tetanus

For me, at first I was against it full stop (except tetnus). But as I did more research I started to change my mind. We were always going to get tetnus because you just have to stand on a rusty nail to get it, but we couldn't get it on it's own. So we decided to get the Diphtheria/tetanus/pertuss but delayed (we got the first ever vac at 13months). Now we have decided to get MMR as well, we are NOT getting Heb b and still not 100% sure about the rest.

But from the extensive research we have done, we have come to the conclusion that it's more the amount of vacs at such an early age and too many at once that are the problem, not the chemicals. We have learnt that most internet based research is dodgy, you need to look for reputable sources, which is difficult on the internet.