thread: Pain relief during labour

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    Pain relief during labour

    Hi,

    I am wondering if anyone has tried the sterile water injections during labour to help with back pain. What were people experiences like? Would you recomend it?

    Thanks
    Lisa

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    No - sorry! I have heard of women using this method for posterior babies to ease the discomfort. I'm interested to see if anyone has found relief with this method....

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    This is from Science Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=176

    Sterile Water Injections for Pain Relief

    Published by Harriet Hall under Clinical Trials
    Comments: 29
    Before ethical standards changed, doctors used to occasionally fool patients with placebo injections of sterile saline or water. If my obstetrician had tried to give me sterile water instead of an epidural, I probably would have hit him. But apparently women are getting sterile water injections for childbirth and are telling us they work. What?s going on?
    A recent study in Sweden compared sterile water injections to acupuncture for relief of labor pain. It found that sterile water produced significantly greater pain relief and relaxation. It concluded, ?Women given sterile water injection experience less labor pain compared to women given acupuncture.?
    I?m puzzled, because the study also says ?there were no significant differences regarding requirements for additional pain relief after treatment between the 2 groups.? 85% and 90% got nitrous oxide, 40% and 47% got epidurals, and other conventional interventions were also used. It seems to me the conclusion could just as well have been ?Women given sterile water injections report less labor pain than women given acupuncture, but require just as much additional pain relief.?
    Could this be a case of biased researchers selectively interpreting data in the most favorable light? I read the abstract to my husband (who is not a doctor) and he immediately noticed the apparent contradiction. But Dr. George Lundberg didn?t mention it when he reported on the study for the Medscape Medical Minute. In fact, he inexplicably said ?Pain relief was sufficient in both groups to prevent the need for other pain therapy.? That?s not what the article says.
    I won?t attempt to dissect the study. I?ll assume that it was properly carried out and that its main conclusion (water injections better than acupuncture) is correct. But I do have questions about what it really tells us.
    This experiment was not blinded: patients can tell whether they are getting an injection or acupuncture. I wondered why they didn?t include any placebo controls like sham acupuncture or dry needling. It seems they already assumed that both treatments were more effective than placebo; but I don?t think that has been established.
    Perhaps all this study shows is that a placebo injection is more effective than a placebo needling procedure. We already knew that placebos are ?effective? in reducing pain, and that there is a hierarchy of placebo effects with injections being higher on the list than practically anything besides sham surgery. If we assume that sterile water injections are a placebo, this study just provides one more confirmation that acupuncture is no more effective than placebo.
    Do sterile water injections make sense?
    Is the method plausible? Anywhere from 0.1 ml (that?s 1/50 of a teaspoonful) to 0.5 ml of sterile water is injected into or just under the skin, forming a small bleb. How could a small superficial bleb affect deep nerves and affect pain transmission up the spinal cord?
    Several hypothetical mechanisms have been proposed:
    1. A counterirritant effect. Sterile water injections hurt. This hypothesis fits with the fact that sterile saline is less painful and doesn?t work as well as sterile water (sterile water has an osmotic effect in addition to the distention of tissues by the fluid). If it?s only a counterirritant, there might be better, less invasive ways of providing it.
    2. Endorphin production. But we know placebos can produce endorphins too.
    3. The gate control theory of pain. But other methods that are supposed to work by the gate control theory, like acupuncture or TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation), don?t work as well as sterile water.
    4. ?It may work like acupuncture.? But there is no good evidence that acupuncture is anything more than an elaborate placebo system. And if it works like acupuncture there would be no need for the water; needling could be used alone.
    5. ?The needles may be hitting acupuncture points.? But no one has convincingly shown that acupuncture points even exist, and acupuncture needles are inserted deeper below the skin.
    Sterile water works fast: it sometimes relieves pain for the very next contraction. My colleague Dr. Atwood is an anesthesiologist who has done a lot of epidurals. Before inserting the spinal needle, he numbs the skin by injecting lidocaine intradermally and subcutaneously. It stings. He tells me he has never noticed any effect on the patient?s perception of pain over the next few contractions. Then when the epidural kicks in, there is a dramatic effect.
    So sterile water injections don?t look very plausible. Admittedly, implausible things do sometimes turn out to be true. So what does the evidence really show about the effectiveness of this treatment?
    The Evidence
    I found quite a few studies, but they are problematical. Most are small studies. Some are from non-English-speaking countries that are statistically less likely to publish negative studies (Iran, Thailand, etc.). Some used intradermal injections, others used subcutaneous injections. One study showed that intradermal injections were more painful than subcutaneous ones. Some injected one site, others injected four. Some repeated the injections when the effect wore off after 2-3 hours. Several studies were from Scandinavia, where sterile water injections are popular among midwives. I couldn?t find any US studies.
    Most studies used normal saline as a control, and it may not be an adequate control. Several studies reported severe pain with water injections but little or no pain with saline injections. Subjects might be able to guess which group they were in by the amount of pain. If their guesses were better than chance, you wouldn?t have an adequate placebo control. I couldn?t find any evidence of ?exit polls? asking patients which group they thought they were in.
    A systematic review concluded that it was effective but it was based only on 4 studies they found suitable for analysis:
    ? Ader et al. compared sterile water to saline. Sterile water worked better but there was no difference in the requirement for pethidine (Demerol).
    ? Trolle et al. compared sterile water to saline and found it twice as effective (89% vs. 45%).
    ? Martensson et al. compared 0.1cc of intradermal water, 0.5 cc of subcutaneous water, and 0.1 cc of subcutaneous saline. The two water groups were equally effective and superior to the saline.
    ? Labreque et al. compared sterile water injections to TENS and to standard care (massage, etc.) Water worked better than the other two, but there was no difference in epidural requests, and fewer women said they would choose it again.
    Systematic reviews are limited by the quality of the studies they review. Since the controls in these studies are questionable, I don?t know how much we can trust the conclusions.
    What about Non-Obstetric Pain?
    What really bothers me is that if these injections really work so well, why aren?t they being used for other types of pain like post-op pain and trauma? I found only 3 studies of other types of pain. A study from Iran showed sterile water was more effective than saline for renal colic. A small study in Norway showed no benefit from either saline or sterile water injections for cervicogenic headache. And there was a whiplash study, but it was not really comparable because it targeted trigger points and the pain relief lasted much longer.
    Ideological factors
    Sterile water injections seem to appeal mainly to midwives and natural childbirth advocates. They argue that it?s inexpensive, readily available, does not require a prescription, has no risks, is easily administered, and ?won?t make the drug companies rich.? And it doesn?t require an obstetrician or an anesthesiologist. One commenter on Medscape said, ?Sad that the technique isn?t being given a chance here in the U.S. Probably because it doesn?t fit in with the paternalistic, manipulative, technologically dominated, controlled style of obstetric medicine in this country.?
    A bias and an agenda shine through such comments. It?s strange that natural childbirth advocates support sterile water injections, because there?s nothing ?natural? about them. Some people seem to think there is merit in women suffering pain in labor rather than accepting interventions. I don?t. I think it?s cruel to persuade women to suffer pain unnecessarily when modern obstetrics can relieve pain safely and effectively.
    Some support using any placebo that helps the patients get through the ordeal. Placebos relieve pain and are unlikely to harm women or their babies, but they?re UNETHICAL! We need to look for ways to harness the power of the placebo without lying to patients. One way to do that might be to tell them it?s a placebo and get their informed consent. Studies have shown that knowing you?re getting a placebo doesn?t necessarily destroy the placebo effect. I will always remember a patient in my internship who was given a placebo injection instead of the Demerol she usually got in the ER for her severe headaches. It worked just as well as the Demerol! When she was confronted with the fact that a placebo had relieved her pain, she asked if she could get it the next time she had a headache because it really worked!
    I wonder about the wisdom of using counterirritants. Hitting your thumb with a hammer would probably work great as a counterirritant, but I couldn?t recommend it. I suspect simple distraction measures and suggestion might be nearly as effective, and they are not invasive and don?t produce pain or stinging.
    Mind you, I?m not claiming that sterile water is not better than placebo; I?m just saying it?s premature to conclude that that it is better, based on currently available evidence that is questionable and has not been shown to be properly blinded.

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    This is from Birthsource as an alternative point of view.

    Sterile Water Injections

    Regardless of the various comfort measures available; such as hydrotherapy, massage, acupressure, counter pressure and position changes; some women find the pain of back labor difficult to bear. Therefore, many women today are turning to the epidural for the relief they need. However, the epidural comes with many risks to both mom and the baby. Is there any more natural alternative?

    History
    In 1965, Melzack and Wall introduced what is now known as the "Gate Control Theory" which suggests that nerve cells from touch fibers can actually close the gate on pain signals to the brain, thus giving the perception of minimized pain. Therefore, for a woman in labor, the brain has the ability to influence the course of her labor and her perception of pain.

    In 1975, Melzack and Fox determined that the perception of pain could be altered by introducing a brief period of pain. This, in turn, would alleviate the chronic back pain. An example of this theory is the use of a TENS (transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation) unit. The TENS unit sends pulses which interrupts the brain's awareness of pain and may also cause a release of endorphins which is the body's natural pain coping mechanism.

    Then in 1989, Lytzen, Cederberg, and Moller-Nielsen presented their study on "Relief of low back pain in labor by using intracutaneous nerve stimulation (INS) with sterile water papules" in a medical journal. This study included 83 women with lower back pain during the first stage of labor. These women were given injections of sterile water intracutaneously over the sacrum. All but six of the women noticed instant and complete pain relief which lasted up to three hours. The procedure could then be repeated. Sixty-seven of the eighty-three were pleased with the results.

    Trolle, Moller, Kronborg and Thomsen introduced their study of "The effect of sterile water blocks on low back labor pain" in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1991. This study contained 272 women complaining of severe low back pain. The women were randomly assigned to receive either a sterile water injection or a saline solution block. There was a significantly higher degree of analgesic relief for those in the sterile water group (89.4%) than those in the saline group (45%). No adverse effects were noted and the patient satisfaction was high.

    The Procedure
    The woman's back is cleansed. Then 0.1-0.15cc of sterile water is injected intradermally into four places on the women's sacrum. Preferably, the procedure should be done with two people doing the injections simultaneously. The injections cause an intense burning sensation which lasts 30-90 seconds. Relief from the procedure should be noticed in 2-3 minutes. Because of the intensity of the pain, the woman should have constant support and encouragement during the time of the injections.

    Conclusion
    Sterile water injections is an excellent alternative for pain relief due to back labor. Even though it may not provide relief from contraction pain, often once the back pain is alleviated, the laboring women can cope better with her labor. Likewise, often the relaxation of the back can assist in the proper decent and positioning of the baby, leading to a shorter labor. With no known side effects and no medications entering the body, sterile water injections may become the choice for the relief of back labor for many laboring women.

    References
    Fox E.J., Melzack R. "Transcutaneous electrical stimulation and acupuncture: comparison of treatment for low-back pain." Pain 1976 Jun;2(2) :141-8.

    Lytzen T, Cederberg L, Moller-Nielsen J. "Relief of low back pain in labor by using intracutaneous nerve stimulation (INS) with sterile water papules." Acta Obstet Gynecol Scand, 1989.

    Melzack R, Wall, P. "Pain mechanisms: A new theory." Science, 150 (1965) 971-979.

    Trolle B, Moller M, Kronborg H, Thomsen S. "The effect of sterile water blocks on low back labor pain." Am J Obstet Gynecol. 1991 May;164(5 Pt 1):1277-81.

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    I think the theory behind sterile water injections is that they hurt like a b*st*rd! My sis is a midwife and she said it's amazing how much help they are to women having posterior babies. Apparently they are comparable to a wasp sting.

    Physiologically I think they work (regressing back to all those physiology clases now...) because the sudden and intense superficial pain of the injection is instinctively considered to be more of a threat to your safety than the internal pain being experienced. The external pain could be a predator that has just taken a swipe at you, therefore triggering your brain to regognise that pain as the more important one (even though it is a less severe pain) and blocking out the internal pain.

    That's my cr*p nurses attempt at expaining it anyway, there are probably midwives on here who could do a much better job!

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    DS wasn't posterior but i had a lot of back pain & tried the injections. i found them to be extremely painful - it was pretty much the only time during my labour that i yelped/made any noise & i think i nearly broke DP's hand! the worst bit was that they did nothing to ease the back pain - on a scale of 1-10 the pain eased by about .5 the midwife had asked me to give the back pain on a scale of 1-10 & i gave it a 7 or 8. after the injections i told her that i now knew what 10 felt like, that's how painful they were...my own fault she did warn me that they'd sting

    it may work better for others b/c everyone is different, but i certainly wouldn't try them again

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    I have honestly never heard of this...I don't think it's something I would want to try either

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    Wouldn't it carry the same risk of application error as the risks involved in 'real' drug administration? The fact that it's a placebo seems like adding insult to injury - immersion in water and light-touch massage has far more efficacy...particularly water immersion, as has been shown by numerous studies with far more compelling and reliable results than these.

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    Mayaness - there is always a risk of error when drugs are being administered, which is why those administering them are well trained. I can't imagine any true adverse reaction to sterile water injections, unless it was injected intravenously? That would be a big error though! There could be a risk of infection at the site, but if it's being administered correctly that would be a small risk, too.

    Of course, I would be interested to hear of any true adverse reactions to sterile water injections?

    Sorry if there are any spelling errors, night shift/baby brain...

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    Any injection carries risk, from bleeding, including bruising, nerve damage and subsequent infection. I would think a TENS would be useful or other non invasive treatments if you were choosing an alternative to epidural for example.

    It would seem the evidence is lacking in sufficient numbers and agreeance that it works.

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    Stretcher Bearer - Agree on the risks of injections, would you say subcut has a risk of nerve damage though? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just looking for some education in case my thinking isn't 100% correct

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    Stretcher Bearer - Agree on the risks of injections, would you say subcut has a risk of nerve damage though? I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just looking for some education in case my thinking isn't 100% correct
    Well I wouldn't think so Rooey,unless you are pretty sacrally slim!! However if you are using acupressure points for example, and y are htting meridians, perhaps you are potentially having an adverse effect instead of actual nerve damage. I suppose with me (and I'm one who's had acupuncture and needle releases susccessfully) I know what it feels like when the acu needle hits a tight spot or a 'gate' that needs unlocking. I don't just feel the result at tte site.

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    Rooey, I know there's always risk, even when 'well-trained' people are administering...that's why they have indemnity insurance to cover them I concur with SB's last post about alternatives if you're to eliminate risk and are seeking non-drug options while you're at it. The 'evidence' cited isn't really compelling.

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    Haven't had any experience with it personally - used a TENS machine for my labour.
    But my sister had the sterile water injections last year when she birthed her posterior son. She thought it was great because it took away her back pain & she could concentrate on the contractions.

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    The midwife I trained with in South Africa said she would rather use a TENS machine because you can control the intensity and turn it on and off as you feel you need it... but with injections once you have been given it, if you get sore or it feels odd or uncomfortable you have to wait for it to wear-off. But with injections you can also use birthing pool so --- obviously TENS and birth pool don't mix...
    Last edited by Dedicated Doula Gillian; September 22nd, 2009 at 08:33 AM.

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    Fair enough SB