Ok I think I need to try apron tie - I haven't been doing that - although the waistband section is quite wide so that has been sitting flat against me and then his bum and legs are sort of "froggied" into the bum section. Nelle I definitely think I need to get him closer to me and get the whole thing tighter, its a bit hard to do on my own but I think with a bit of practise that might help. He likes having his head up and out which makes it difficult to bring the whole thing close too. Thanks for all the help ladies -will more than likely need to use it today so will let you know how we go.