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  1. #1
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    Nov 2014
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    Won't fall asleep on his own

    I'm just wondering why my 3 months old baby won't fall asleep on his own when he is sleepy (taking naps)? when he gets sleepy he becomes fussy, agitated and he cries a lot. I didn't master the art of "putting him to sleep yet" so I need to maneuver and do everything in my power to put him to bed, he won't go sleep easily. If he is sleepy why won't he just close his eyes and falls asleep?

  2. #2
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    Jan 2013
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    Because he's still too young to know how to put himself to sleep. Kids naturally start learning to put themselves to sleep between 1.5-2 years old (some later, some earlier, every kid is different). Until then they need some help dozing off.
    Babies before that generally fall asleep at the boob or the bottle, or some with a dummy.
    Self settling is a developmental leap like crawling, walking, etc and will happen when the baby is ready .

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    He's just a normal human baby. We're not designed to sleep alone, we're hard-wired to seek out physical intimacy and need help to settle and sleep. It's ok to just go with that, hold him, feed him, cuddle him, wear him, whatever works. In time - and looking back you'll see it isn't long at all, though it will feel like it when you're in the thick of it - he'll learn to do it on his own.
    But it's normal for kids to need help to sleep till at least school age. It won't always be like this, gradually you'll shift toward books, cuddle, kiss good night. It's all the same thing, though, parenting to sleep is normal for our children.
    The art of putting babies to sleep is feeding, cuddling, etc.

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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    Thank you

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    Jul 2010
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    3 months is probably the earliest to start self settling methods. Bare in mind it is a slow and gradual process and persistence is the key. I would suggest wrapping or swaddling him if you don't already do this. I used to roll my dd slightly to one side and rub or pat her back gently. Or I would pat her bottom too. Try and face him away from you so he doesn't get stimulated by your face. Some babies get more worked up when they see their mothers. I continued this until she was asleep for the first week. Then after that I would rub/pat until she was almost asleep. I let the patting get softer and softer and then when she was about to fall into sleep I would creep out. It didn't always work, but after a few weeks she was getting to sleep quicker and easier. It does take time so be patient. Every baby is different, so if you have no luck just do whatever you need to get him off to sleep. As others have said, eventually he will get it on his own. good luck

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    Nov 2014
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    3 months is probably the earliest to start self settling methods. Bare in mind it is a slow and gradual process and persistence is the key. I would suggest wrapping or swaddling him if you don't already do this. I used to roll my dd slightly to one side and rub or pat her back gently. Or I would pat her bottom too. Try and face him away from you so he doesn't get stimulated by your face. Some babies get more worked up when they see their mothers. I continued this until she was asleep for the first week. Then after that I would rub/pat until she was almost asleep. I let the patting get softer and softer and then when she was about to fall into sleep I would creep out. It didn't always work, but after a few weeks she was getting to sleep quicker and easier. It does take time so be patient. Every baby is different, so if you have no luck just do whatever you need to get him off to sleep. As others have said, eventually he will get it on his own. good luck
    How many weeks it took you to teach her to fall asleep? we started a routine, a bath first, a story from dad and then sleep. it can take me up to an hour for him to fall asleep. he also doesn't nap easily. and if he naps it's not for long.

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    Aug 2009
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    You may find that by the time you are putting him down to sleep, he is already overtired and once that happens babies tend to get even harder to get to sleep.
    It's a bit of an art form to catch them when they're tired, but not overtired. It comes with experience and practice.
    Having said that, some babies can do it, and some can't. 3 months is still pretty young, but DS2 was doing it by then, will DS2 started around 4 months.

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    Nov 2014
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    You may find that by the time you are putting him down to sleep, he is already overtired and once that happens babies tend to get even harder to get to sleep.
    It's a bit of an art form to catch them when they're tired, but not overtired. It comes with experience and practice.
    Having said that, some babies can do it, and some can't. 3 months is still pretty young, but DS2 was doing it by then, will DS2 started around 4 months.
    What are the signs of tiredness? so far he started to scab his eyes when he is sleepy but that doesn't happen a lot, he also cries with closed eyes and that's when I know it's time for bed. the obvious signs are when he gets agitated and that's when I'm too late. other than that I have no idea.

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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    Check the QEC sleep school in noble park website. They have some audio files that are interesting to listen to. I found them helpful. I don't do everything that way. But it helped.

    Tired signs for my bub include

    Red eyebrows (I learnt that one at mothers group!)
    Starting to vocalize more and with a more forceful eh eh kind of sound
    Her arms and legs get a bit flappy too.

    Sometimes she looks so very we'd awake. But I know she's tired somehow. I never used to. But it gets easier to recognize.

    It's hard work watching and listening to the cry and distress. I just wish she would sleep sometimes cause it feels awful.

    Also they have times when the sleep might get worse for a while. Around four months for example. It can take a while. But it goes get better xox

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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    Your bub is very young and very much needs you close to fall asleep. It's vital for secure attachment and bonding IMO. Checkout Evolutionary Parenting's webpage as well as Pinky McKay and Janet Lamsbury.

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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    It can take a long time for babies/children to learn to fall asleep by themselves. My DS is ok at it - I can give him a feed, put him down drowsy, and he'll nod off with me patting his bum or rocking the hammock. But he's 13 months old.

    My DD is 3.5 and tells me she doesn't know how to make herself go to sleep. So at night we do dinner, bath, movie/quiet playing, then brush teeth and off to bed where Daddy reads stories until she's asleep. It's kind of nice hearing her side of it. Once we were on the nursery and she was playing in the cot, I told her when DS is big enough he'll sleep there (until 2 nights ago he slept in my room). She looked at me with an expression of complete shock. So I told her that before she was in her big girl room, she slept in mummy and daddys room, then in this cot. She said "but babies don't like to sleep by themselves!"

    So I just look at it from their side. They need a bit of help, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't take long. Before I know it DS will go to sleep with stories, and one day we'll just kiss them both goodnight and they'll go to sleep by themselves.

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    Mate, it can take years. Pushing it can damage your bond, and a strong, secure attachment between you and your baby is the single most important thing for your child's development. In comparison, the way your baby sleeps doesn't matter at all.
    Do you use a sling or baby carrier? If not, get a good one and wear him through the day, it's the easier way to cuddle and keep them close. Feed him to sleep, cuddle him, lie down next to him on the bed, whatever works best for him and is least effort for you. It will all change with time.

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    Mate, it can take years. Pushing it can damage your bond, and a strong, secure attachment between you and your baby is the single most important thing for your child's development. In comparison, the way your baby sleeps doesn't matter at all.
    Do you use a sling or baby carrier? If not, get a good one and wear him through the day, it's the easier way to cuddle and keep them close. Feed him to sleep, cuddle him, lie down next to him on the bed, whatever works best for him and is least effort for you. It will all change with time.
    This...Put perfectly!

  14. #14
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    Nov 2014
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    Mate, it can take years. Pushing it can damage your bond, and a strong, secure attachment between you and your baby is the single most important thing for your child's development. In comparison, the way your baby sleeps doesn't matter at all.
    Do you use a sling or baby carrier? If not, get a good one and wear him through the day, it's the easier way to cuddle and keep them close. Feed him to sleep, cuddle him, lie down next to him on the bed, whatever works best for him and is least effort for you. It will all change with time.
    If I put in the carrier when he is sleepy how will he learn to fall asleep on his own? are you sure it's a mater of time and age?

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    If I put in the carrier when he is sleepy how will he learn to fall asleep on his own? are you sure it's a mater of time and age?
    Well, I'm fairly sure I won't be cuddling him to sleep on his wedding night. I come from a family where my sister would sleep with my mum even as a teenager when she needed it (ie not every night, or even most nights), so I do not see a problem with children needing their parents. Anecdotally, I cuddled my DS to sleep for over 2 years before I started to stop that, still had him in a carrier age 3 on occasion, and now he generally just goes to sleep. It's like how do you learn to read if your mum always reads the story to you? Or talk if you're talked to and you don't speak the language? The answer is you don't age 3 months, but you can just magically do it a few months/years later.

  16. #16
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    How many weeks it took you to teach her to fall asleep? we started a routine, a bath first, a story from dad and then sleep. it can take me up to an hour for him to fall asleep. he also doesn't nap easily. and if he naps it's not for long.
    It took many weeks. And at the start it did take a long time for her to get to sleep. Taking up to an hour sounds about right from what I remember in the early stages. it wasn't until my dd was about 5 months old that she started going to sleep without being rocked/patted. You have to be patient and persistent. My dd didn't show many tired signs and at 3 months they are very hard to pinpoint anyway. So I found a loose routine helped me understand her cries and what she needed. Self settling is not for everyone, in the early days my dd cried when i left the room at nap times. It was only for a minute or two, but to a new mum it seemed like an eternity. But after a few days she would grizzle for a few minutes and just fall asleep on her own. If your ds is screaming and looking quite distressed, he is probably not ready to self settle on his own. Please don't let him cry for hours on end if you choose this method as there seems to be a bit of confusion on the subject of 'self settling'. It is a gradual process, not overnight success.

  17. #17
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    Nov 2014
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    Re: Won't fall asleep on his own

    It can take a long time for babies/children to learn to fall asleep by themselves. My DS is ok at it - I can give him a feed, put him down drowsy, and he'll nod off with me patting his bum or rocking the hammock. But he's 13 months old.

    My DD is 3.5 and tells me she doesn't know how to make herself go to sleep. So at night we do dinner, bath, movie/quiet playing, then brush teeth and off to bed where Daddy reads stories until she's asleep. It's kind of nice hearing her side of it. Once we were on the nursery and she was playing in the cot, I told her when DS is big enough he'll sleep there (until 2 nights ago he slept in my room). She looked at me with an expression of complete shock. So I told her that before she was in her big girl room, she slept in mummy and daddys room, then in this cot. She said "but babies don't like to sleep by themselves!"

    So I just look at it from their side. They need a bit of help, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't take long. Before I know it DS will go to sleep with stories, and one day we'll just kiss them both goodnight and they'll go to sleep by themselves.
    But why can't the fall asleep by themselves? I understand it's something they need to learn how to do, if you look at animals they don't have those problems, if we were to live in nature how is beneficial for us?
    What your daughter said really touched me! thanks for telling me that story, helps to keep fighting for my son even if it's hard and I'm dead tired.

  18. #18
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    Oct 2008
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    But why can't the fall asleep by themselves? I understand it's something they need to learn how to do, if you look at animals they don't have those problems, if we were to live in nature how is beneficial for us?
    I don't really know the answer but I think in some way it probably relates to how much the human brain develops in the first 2 years. Their brains will never again expand at the same rate they are now, they are just learning so many new things about their world and how things work that when it comes to sleep in can be hard to reconcile all that new knowledge and just switch off for the day. BUZZING TOO MUCH TO SLEEP!!!!

    What you do find is that some babies are just more happy to sleep than others, and some are looking for more help to get to sleep that others. I have a DD1 (5yo) who wants you there close as possible until she drifts off and a DD2 (3yo) who gets over stimulated with people too close when she is trying to sleep and needs her own space. It is a bit of a lottery what kind of sleeper you get, but I think whatever prize you get in that lottery there is a lot to be said for accepting the hand you've been dealt and not expending lots of energy trying to change it.

    From what you've described and your babies age, getting over tired may be a possibility. Tired signs can be tricky especially early on. Seriously every mother has missed tired signs at some stage and ended up with an overtired cranky mess that doesn't know what to do with themselves, it's just comes with the territory! Some babies are more clear with their tired signs than others so it takes longer to work the less obvious ones out - DD2 I'm talking about you

    I remember one piece of advice some one gave to me that I've always remembered is that that once they do the obvious tired signs (like yawning or getting agitated) it is already too late, you've missed the window. The less obvious signs are the ones that indicate the window of 'sleepy but not yet overtired and cranky' and the ones to look out for. These can be things like movements getting more jerky or eyes seeming to turn in more or wanting to stroke a particular surface/texture. It can be pretty cryptic or very subtle, maybe try googling tired signs and see what others have found and see if any ring a bell for you.

    At any rate, I think 3 months is a pretty difficult time for you and him, it is still really early days and you are both learning so much about each other. I think at 3 months you are still in my 'do what ever you can to get through the day' grace period so cut yourself some slack! You are doing a good job, listen to your instinct and don't worry about what a baby 'should' be doing at x age.

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