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  1. #1
    BellyBelly Member

    Jan 2008
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    Why not vaccinate?

    Im just wondering why some people dont?

    I dont want arguments, healthy discussion would be good though As I hate doing anyhting with my childrens health that isn't natural eg:breastfeeding, pain killers etc. But with vaccines I just thought it was the next step for bubs once they're born.
    We are told about bf vs formula and cloth vs sposies. But why not to vaccinate vs not to?

    At the moment my thoughts are Id rather my child get vaccinated then get a disease and die BUT I also dont know anything about the alternative.

    So can anyone help me?

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  3. #3
    BellyBelly Member

    Jan 2008
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    Aw ok. Was hoping to get some peoples opinions too Thanks Heaven but now Im confused weather I should or shouldn't. I did with Annabelle and she's all good, but I guess its a risk in the end?

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    I do with my kids. I'm not sure about DS's chicken pox one. Don't think I'll bother, but I have the others all done.
    I do see the reasons people don't & would not question it, but I feel safer doing it.
    Probably just coz its always the way things happened. Knew nothing else back when DD1 was born, but its me. Its my choice & I choose to do it.
    I have 2 friends who don't. One doesn't see doctors at all & I worry with the kind of person that she is that she might take risks & not see a doctor when needed, & the other is so paranoid about anything coming into contact with her DS I really think she should've just vax'd him to relax a bit.
    I feel like if my kids give hers something I'm evil or something. She's really scared. Measles did go around here a while ago & she didn't leave the house. She vax'd her DD but not her DS. She was comfortable with her DD being vax'd, but she's alot less comfortable with her DS not being vax'd.

  5. #5
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    Jul 2008
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    Why vaccinate? It's really really simple.

    Because for most people (ie normal healthy people with no specific medical issues that contraindicate vaccination), the risk of complications from an infectious disease is far greater than the risk of complications from the vaccine.

    Nothing in life is without risk. I'm not going to tell you that vaccines have no side effects. They do, and the rate of these has been well studied. The rate of really unpleasant results from the diseases is much, much worse. I don't mean the unpleasantness of having a normal course of measles, I mean death or brain damage or something similarly drastic.

    So, in brief, your children are safer if you vaccinate. This is not just my opinion, it is medical, scientific fact.

    As for the article linked above, most of it is, I'm sorry to say, rubbish. Some of it was once accurate but is now outdated and thus doesn't apply to the vaccines now used in Australia. Some of it is just plain wrong, written by people who have never bothered to try to understand how vaccines are actually produced, and reproduced here with (no doubt) good intentions but damaging results. Even the title is misleading: "10 reasons why parents choose not to vaccinate" doesn't mean that they are 10 good reasons, or even that one single reason of the 10 is good. To me it always begs the (ok, slightly silly, but no less silly than most of that article) question of "if I chose not to vaccinate because the moon is made of green cheese, would you let my choice inform yours?".

    I am happy to explain why the information in that article is misleading in more detail if you'd like. It won't get a good reception here, for sure, but I'll put in the time to write it out if there is genuine interest from someone.

    If you are unsure about vaccination, why don't you discuss it with a GP you trust? Despite what some of the anti-vaccination-conspiracy-theory-folk would have you believe, most doctors have our best interests at heart, and they are certainly more expert than most of us in this kind of thing, as it's their profession. Let your instinct tell you whether the person you are talking to can be trusted! If you have a doctor you know and like, they will be a much better source of information than just asking random people (myself included!) online.

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    I did start to vaccinate and my first two are fully vaccinated and #3 is bar her 4yo boosters because that's just what you do isn't it? It does **** me no end that there is only ever the 'for vaccination' and never any info about the 'against' - how can parents ever truly make a 100% informed decision about something that is so important if you are never given, or told where to find the information? My youngest is vaccinated to 6 months but I got super jaded with it all and the 'one size fits all' mentality of vaccinations. My youngest baby was over 10lb at birth and he got the same size vaccination dose as a baby who was half his size. Now tell me that's right? If you were to give your baby infant paracetamol, would you give your 5kg bub (for example) the same size dose as an 8kg bub? No way, because you would overdose them. So why should vaccinations be treated any differently in this regard.

    My other issue with vaccinations is all the carrier liquid that the vaccination is in. There is stuff in there that has no right being in a newborn baby or child's body. Would you knowingly inject your baby with these vaccination ingredients? Vaccine Ingredients Hell no! Indeed if you did you would be locked up and your children taken away. Now I do understand that these amounts are minute, but any amount of these ingredients could be too much for some babies and you just do not know what circumstances will tip the scales against you and you end up with a child with very serious side effects or complications.

    I don't give two hoots if someone who is pro vaccination steps in and tells me I am talking out my arse, because it is my right as a parent to make what I think is the best decision for my family, just as it is their right to vaccinate if they wish. I am not telling you either way what you should or shouldn't do, but I am telling you why I did what I did. Every parent needs do their own research on this because there is no one blanket solution that will suit every family. And every parent needs to respect that others will not take the same path as they did and that does not mean that one camp is wrong and the other right, far from it, it just means that you are raising your children differently.
    Last edited by Trillian; December 12th, 2009 at 12:32 PM.

  7. #7
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    Jan 2009
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    totally with u trill!


    DM, we're not vaxing iz till she's older, even then, she's only getting tetanus, hep b and rubella, (still deciding on the rubella)

    its a personal choice and most ppl who choose to not vax or delay/selectivley vax have done tonnes of research on the topic and are fairly well informed.
    We arent stupid like some ppl think, we know the risks involved and take necessary precautions

    i dont know about u, but i certainly dont like the thought of parts of animal fetus' running through my baby girls body!
    Last edited by Astrolady; December 14th, 2009 at 11:48 AM.

  8. #8
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    Jul 2008
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    Here is a discussion, more detailed than anything I can write, about vaccine ingredients.

    Maybe some chemists or biologists among us could comment on this further?