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  1. #1
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    Have decided to wean our toddler - could use a little moral support

    DS, who will be three in November, has always had an affinity with the boob. He still is fed to sleep most sleeps, although he'll self settle consistently at daycare, mostly for my mum and occasionally for DP, but never for me.

    Since DD arrived six weeks ago, this has presented a few problems, especially as DD has the habit of cluster feeding at night, and DS will sometimes take over an hour to feed to sleep. It's rare that he'll be asleep before DD wants feeding again, at which point DP will settle DS down. This can take hours, and he'll usually be quite distressed (understatement: read screaming hysterics) when I have to stop feeding him. I've tried feeding both at once, but it doesn't really work as an extended 'feed to sleep' thing for a number of reasons, mostly because DS needs to be put into bed asleep but still attached otherwise he'll wake.

    It's getting to the point that the distress that not being able to fully demand feed DS is causing him seems to be outweighing the benefits extended and tandem feeding otherwise give him. He's not jealous of his sister feeding, but doesn't understand why he can't feed when and for however long he wants. We had got him down to a feed before sleeps only, but lately he's been asking more and more frequently, and becoming more and more distressed when refused. He also has a habit of clamping with his teeth as he feeds, and it's entirely subconscious - he's not aware he's doing it and despite my efforts, does not know how to stop doing it. It's not painful and it doesn't cause damage, but it is very uncomfortable, especially during a long feed.

    On Sunday I asked DP if he thought that perhaps DS would be better off without any BF at all, as it seems to just be confusing things for him and we agreed that we would wean him. Not doing things lightly, from that point there were no more feeds.

    That first day was um, difficult to say the least. DS is autistic and has quite pronounced communication delays so we're not sure exactly how best to explain it to him - anything too longwinded/abstract and he finds it hard to cope with explanations, but we didn't want to just tell him 'no' without an explanation. So we've decided to go with the 'boobies is just for baby' approach. We had lots of tantrums and much distress as he processed this new change. I tried to avoid feeding DD around him, but knew that on Monday I would have to, as DP was working until after 8:00pm so I was doing bedtime.

    Monday was actually OK. I wasn't able to get DS to sleep, but he accepted that there were no more boobies when he asked. We had lots of cuddles, and actually no tantrums. At all. (Which is rare)

    This morning he was also good, a little grumpy first thing in the morning, but so far, so good. Today he is with my mum, so we'll see how we go tonight.

    I'm feeling ambivalent about this decision. Mostly sad that I cannot continue to share myself with him so fully. I would have liked to let him choose his own weaning date, but I couldn't deny that BFing seemed to be having more of a negative effect than a positive one. I started this post Sunday night - as DP attempted to get him to sleep and I listened to him in distress. But I've been surprised at how easily he seems to have taken it since then. We'll see how it goes, I'm sure there'll be times where it is not so easy, but perhaps this indicates that the decision was the right one.

    Anyway, not much point to this post except to share my weaning experience - thanks for reading!

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    Jan 2006
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    It's a tough time, but sounds like it's the right decision for you guys. Glad to hear that your DS is adjusting so well - perhaps all he really needed was a gentle nudge afterall.
    I hope it continues to be a smooth transition.

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    Thanks hon! (And sorry for hijacking your happy sleep thread the other day with my non-sleeping woes - I looked back on it and thought that I sounded like such a party pooper LOL!)

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    Nah, it's cool.
    Anyway, good luck for tonight

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    Mar 2006
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    What a big decision to make Suse. It is great to hear that your little boy is adjusting. I've got my fingers crossed that tonight goes smoothly for you. I think you are amazing feeding your boy until over 3 and tandem feeding too - YOU ROCK!!!

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    Wow Suse, what a great job you've done!! You are an inspiration. It sounds like you are making the right decision for the rest of you. I hope it just continues to get easier and easier.

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    Aug 2007
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    Aww Suse, you have done a truly amazing job, you should be so proud. And you are continuing to do an amazing job now, because you can see what really matters and make good, well-balanced decisions for your DS and for your whole family. Onwards and upwards! But lots more hugs too.

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    Just wanted to say what a great job you have done feeding your little boy.

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    Suse, well done feeding your little guy for as long as you have it can't be easy doing what you are doing but it sounds like it's for the best....you have done so well!!! An inspiration!

    My DD is nearly 19mo and I wonder if I will need to do the same one day as she just loves her "boobie yeah" and can't get enough..... I am hoping she self weans herself before I have to (one day, not now)
    Good luck hun x

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    FWIW i think you've made the right decision. Does he have his own special cup or something that you can offer him drinks in? sort of like a special 'big boys' cup? just so he fully understands the 'booby is for baby' idea.
    well done on feeding him for so long and doing such a great job, you're a champ

  11. #11
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    Feb 2007
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    What a wonderful job you've been doing taking care of your son's needs while caring for your new baby. It sounds like you've definitely made the right decision. And although breastfeeding will no longer be a 'part of yourself' you share with your son, there will be many many other things you share. It's natural to be a bit sad about weaning though. Hope all continues to go well with your ds.

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    I understand what you're saying, Suse. When my DD was not much older than your DS I stopped the night time feed before bed too. She doesn't have any particular challenges getting to sleep, but she was using that feed as an excuse to draw out the bedtime routine no end. I have to admit to replacing it once or twice when she did get a little upset with a small drink of chocolate milk, but it wasn't something we did more than a couple of times. I totally get that the night time feed can become more trouble than it's worth and not so much about bfing. Another thing I did was if she was genuinely tired and a bit needy was offer her a cuddle on the couch while DP and I watched TV quietly. I only did it if I sensed she'd fall asleep in five mins. I still do sometimes, much better than night time tantrums in our house!

    We kept going with a morning bf for another 9 mths, so it wasn't complete weaning, but it wasn't as difficult to drop as I'd thought.

    GL hun, you and DS have had a fabulous bfing relationship! Well done to you.

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    Just wanted to thank you all for such wonderful support - it means so much So far we've not been doing too badly, E has asked for boobies only at times when he is most tired or stressed, but has accepted not getting them incredibly well. Still haven't managed to get him to sleep yet, but he'll either never sleep again (LOL), or he will sleep eventually.

    Santosha - just wanted to ask - what are social stories? We've only just got E's diagnosis so we haven't had any support/intervention yet, so many of the ASD techniques are still a mystery to us. Hopefully it won't be too long for him to get in a program (although it's likely to be next year), he's doing really well considering that his parents are figuring out how best to respond to him by instinct (said a little tongue in cheek, because instinct is often the best thing, but we do feel like we are flying by the seat of our pants and have no idea whatsoever)

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    Still haven't managed to get him to sleep yet, but he'll either never sleep again (LOL), or he will sleep eventually.
    I remember saying the exact same thing to myself - hope it's the latter.

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    Suse - a social story is a little book you can construct yourself using photos, clipart or any pics that are simple and meaningful to your little guy. It gives the basic story about what is happening, or is going to happen in a certain situations, and can be read together repeatedly so that the info can be learnt through repetition and visual representation - two things that are really helpful to kids on the spectrum. It can help make life more predictable and therefore less anxiety provoking, and help to mentally rehearse desired behaviours or solutions to problems. You can tailor it to suit the language you use, at the level your child can understand. Just as an example, your social story might say: 'Boobie milk is for babies and little children (pic of baby breastfeeding). DS is a big boy now. DS can drink milk from a cup (pic of Ds's boobie alternative!). Mummy says 'no more boobies for Ds' (put what you usually say in response to a request for a feed, then say this verbatim in response every time, so it echoes what he has read in his story). If Ds feels sad he gives Mummy or Daddy a cuddle, he can give Teddy a cuddle, he can have a drink of X (list and depict what is soothing and calming for your DS). After a big cuddle (or whatever you list) DS feels much better and is ready to go and play (pic of him doing something he loves that you can use to distract and help him move on).

    I'd tend to write a separate social story about bed time, explaining and depicting the new routine you want to have in place with no mention of boobie so it doesn't trigger him thinking about it unnecessarily.

    Hmmm... Hoping my explation makes sense. Typing this out on iPod with DD asleep in my chest! There is an art to writing a good social story and a reccomended formula around having X number of descriptions, X number of behavioural directions and the importance of the story having an outcome or consequence for the new behaviour. However... I figure if it works for you and your son, it's a good social story!! If you want more info, google Carol Gray, social stories.

    All the very best for successful weaning and for accessing EI services. I hope the wait is not too long. I work in EI with kids on the spectrum and am more than happy to answer any questions you might have while you wait - just PM me.

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    That's more than brilliant - thank you so much Santosha!