Cloth Nappies #145

[maz]

Gigi - thanks for all the info about swimmers babe....have decided im going to attempt to make my own..fingers crossed it works
As for TT - I have a potty that is in the corner of the hallways, near the loo for vy...its one of those potty's that huggies obught out years ago...aynway vy uses it on her own accord and I dont even ask if she needs to go...she just does. BAR the pooh she did in her trackies out int eh backyard and freaked out about. I had accidents on the weekend cause every 5 mins Jed's like..Vy do you need to go to the potty...god I wish the man would just SHUT UP some times!!!! It was nice and warm to to free ball which helps.

Christy honey - its a erica (the purple on right??)

Willow - your more then welcome hon...glad you could pass them on..must pull finger out and make somemore...Im totally out of them.

Jol's - I havent got anything in my account either babe

Kaz- pooey at your DH! Sammi has the same prob with her's....Jed loves using clotha nd even backs me with cloth mama pads. Jed washed and hung out al oad on saturday..ah he's a dream but only sometimes.

only 3 weekends until the expo girls...Im hanging to get my hot little hands on a black IB..seeing Mateauz is starting to chub right up. **** Ive jsut realised....Im gonna have to sell of Vy's nappies soon it makes me so sad...

oh oh and

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LOU LOU HONEY!!!!! for yesterday

[Olive]

mazzzz yours went in over the weekend but credit union is slllllllllooowwwww

[~Raven~]

Kaz my joy was short lived as he put C to bed last night and found a sposie to put on him. One step forward...2 back

Just a little update on the baby front! Had 4D u/s today and it's still a girl

[Kazbah]

Woohooo, a girl, a girl! its still a girl!

What are you going to do with yourself Sammi? You'll have someone to side with you against all the menfolk! Is the ticker photo from today?

[maz]

I have to tell you girls about my newest fear and dont you dare laugh!!!!

it started when all that stuff about the methane gas coming from Cranbourne due to land fill and it being an old tip...then It got me thinking...how many sposie nappies were dug in there???? then maz's stupid brain thinking...hmmm I wonder if the sposies nappies and the pooh people throw out in them could contaminate the plants and vegetables grown over the top of them? ahhhh

Just another fine example of maz going crazy with the school holidays

[Kazbah]

Well if people worry about the methane coming out of a cow (did you see the experiment on the teev where they put the cow in a box to measure the emissions?) then they should be worried about the poo they bury! And its not just the methane - its also the zoonoses and other diseases spread by faeces!

So we just SO ROCK for doing the responsible thing! And you're not being silly Maz - you're thinking about this planet that our children will inherit!

WoHB - (just for something different ... ) BBB with BB PUL cover

[PinkPalace]

hi girls!

Maz - i think it is a legimate fear! who knows whos sposies and poos are feeding our veges!

Well i found out from the hospital today that they give you 8 sposies when bub is born and then you have to supply everything else. I asked... what about terry flats... do they not even have those? and nope. so there goes my just take along some snappis plan in my labour bag.

I will prob take some of DH's sposie quota (he has 2 boxes - which i bought pre-mcn days in prep for this bub)... as i dont want to be rinsing out mec poo from prefolds in the bathroom and then storing them until i get home... bugger

WOHB- Haute.

[maz]

Blah poo plants growing in my yard...BLAH!!!!!!
soory I just cant ge tit out of my head!!!!!

Now for the nappy swap...its going to be the last call out...I'll take names until friday and thats it.

ive got 5 that want in (me included)
a maybe
Gigi - were you in honey...I had details but could you let me know again

All I need to know is what you have to swap - brand, size colour, and what you would like, size and oh
an address would be good to , evne though I think Ive almost got everyone's

Very interesting to see what people want and dont watn..hmmmmm

[~Raven~]

Maz I wouldn't have thought you had the time to think ATM

Kaz yep that's a pic from today's scan

PP bugga! My hossie provides sposies and "has a few cloth which I can use if there is enough" Think I need to have another chat to them and find out for sure.

I had a bid on a beetlebums on B4B but decided to let it go when I got outbid at $38. Was a hard thing to to LMAO but I've spent tooooo much now and am saving for the expo.

[christy]

LOL Maz I sent you a PM... hope it wasn't too babbly.... I tend to babble.

[Gigi]

hey girls, need to ask a quick question - L's nappy's STINK to high heaven at the moment. No idea why, but they are off. DH wouldn't go near him yesterday cause it smelt that bad LOL!

Time for a strip wash?? Will that fix it? Never done one before but seem to remember it's basically just a hot wash with a squirt of dishwashing liquid - yes? no?

Also, for those who remember our night leaking dramas...we've had two dry nights in cloth!!!

Willow
from what i read, a strip wash (with the dishwashing liquid) is what you do if you suspect the MCN has a buildup of washing powder residue - which stops PUL being waterproof, and hemp/bamboo from being absorbent.

but for smelly nappies, i read to de-stink them, you do a HOT wash with
- half a cup of bicarb soda (where washing powder normlaly goes)
- half a cup of vinegar (where fabric conditioner normally goes)
and do a presoak, wash and rinse.

we did this once (teething time) and it worked.

This is something you do rarely, cos vinegar is not good for PUL on a regular basis.

Do you have microfibre or bamboo inserts? Microfibre seems to get stinky more than other fabrics for us. bamboo has anti-bacterial qualities to it (which microfibre doesn't).

congrats on the night nappy success, that's great.

WOTBB: sweetdreams pocket stuffed with bamboo

DH does not put $po$ie$ on bilbs. I am not trying to be difficult here, but the truth is, we don't have ANY $po$ie$ anywhere in our home, FOR dh to put on bilbs. So there is no temptation.

i used to, before i had the "when bilbs has rash and needs barrier cream" sorted out, before i had the "what to do when bilbs got gastro" sorted out. Now i know we can do those situations in cloth, i have no reason to buy the "just in case" pack. But - i only have one bub to nappy, and this is what we do. Plus i must be stubborn methinks, i get so narked when i read what goes into a $po$ie - scary stuff. Every family does what works for them.

RAVEN - i can't believe the crazy price that nb BB went for on B4B - heaps above what it would have cost RRP. what colour are you after?

Maz - i thought i HAD emailed you about the swap? oh well, maybe it bounced, i'll do you another one.

I don't think you are paranoid about the methane. I actually suspect in decades to come, the health ramifications (both for the babies skin and the environment - the soil, the water) will come back to haunt us. Just like tobacco companies are now being sued for people having lung cancer, i think in years to come, grown up babies will sue sposie companies for health complaints.

THe ingredients of sposies contain stuff that has been banned from women's menstrual products, toxic stuff, all sorts of nasties. i cannot believe the sposie companies have ANY ethics at all, to put stuff like that in products they KNOW will be on innocent young baby bots. (sorry, but i feel so mad at teh sposie companies, how they brainwash/propagandise how cute n cuddly they are in ads. Make people feel like sposies are the ONly Option).

Maz - just for you - you are not being silly, you are spot on.
in the What is in sposies article at NN site under INFO

Disease Transmission through Faeces
A potentially serious problem associated with disposable nappies is the ease of disease transmission via faeces left on the nappy and then disposed of in regular household waste. More than 100 enteric viruses are excreted in human faeces, including hepatitis and polio (the live vaccine is used for immunization).

Viruses can live for months creating risks to both sanitation workers and contamination of groundwater in landfills” ( Primomo J et al (1990) The high environmental cost of disposable diapers, Journal of Maternal and Child Nursing, 15 (5) 279-84)

[Gigi]

from the nurture nappies website, under INFORMATION

WHAT IS IN A DISPOSABLE?

Super Absorbent Gels
Most disposables contain a super absorbent gel, including sodium polyacrylate crystals, a chemical deemed unsafe and banned from use in tampons in 1985 because of its association with toxic shock syndrome, but approved by the American Food and Drug Administration for use in baby's disposables. As mothers we ought to be very much concerned by the distinct lack of research into the effects of extreme dryness on babies thin skin and genitalia,and fears of these super-absorbent chemicals entering the body through broken skin.

Chlorine Bleaching
Chlorine bleaching is much less prevalent than in earlier days of bleaching wood pulp for white paper product, but many disposables still contain extremely toxic dioxins created by this bleaching. There is much debate over whether there is actually a safe level of dioxins. (Costello A et al 1989 The Sanitary Protection Scandal. The Women's Environment Network)

Polypropylene
The 'cloth like cover' and 'stay dry liner' are usually made of polypropylene, a petrochemical, or petroleum derivative which is non-recyclable and toxic when incinerated.



The 'breathable cover' is technically true, but the breathability is so minimal to be of negligible effect, typically less than 3% of total weight evaporated in a 24 hour period. The plastics used in disposable nappies use PCBs in their manufacture, and the waste from this manufacturing is poured out into our rivers and oceans.


PCBs are fat soluble, and therefore pass quickly from water to living tissue, and accumulate in the food chain. In otters and minks, the accumulation of PCBs has caused disturbance of the neuro-endocrine system, affecting puberty, ovulation reproduction function, and foetal and neonatal survival. Would you consider the same plastics and chemicals up against your baby's skin for two or three years healthy, or responsible? And why bother with a 'cloth like cover' when you can have the real thing?

Airborne Emissions
An independent study conducted by Anderson Laboratories in 1999 showed airborne emissions of some disposable nappies producing acute respiratory toxicity, including asthma like reactions, in laboratory mice. The researchers suggested further research into a possible link between disposable nappies and the increasing prevalence of childhood asthma. Chemical gases such as toluene, xylene, ethyl benzene, styrene and isopropyl benzene have been found to be in air emissions from disposable nappies.

Raised Scrotal Temperatures
Disposable nappies raise temperatures in the genital area, and for boys, elevated scrotal temperature has been suggested as slowing down the development of baby boy's testicles.



Wolfgang Sippell, Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Kiel in Germany : ADC -- Sign In Page?This alarming information is based upon the fact that the cells supporting sperm production are laid down in the first two years of life and this development is dependent upon temperature. Testicles need to be cooler than the rest of the body so that is why they are external. Studies over the last twenty five years have shown sperm counts to have fallen as fast as 2 per cent per year. Other factors can play a part in these figures but evidence suggests that use of disposable nappies could be a contributing factor.


There is no doubt that disposable nappies trap the heat-especially in the height of summer-and there is concern about the long term effect this could have on both sexes, apart from being most uncomfortable? http://natnap.port5.com/press_1.html

Disease Transmission through Faeces
A potentially serious problem associated with disposable nappies is the ease of disease transmission via faeces left on the nappy and then disposed of in regular household waste. More than 100 enteric viruses are excreted in human faeces, including hepatitis and polio (the live vaccine is used for immunization).



Viruses can live for months creating risks to both sanitation workers and contamination of groundwater in landfills? ( Primomo J et al (1990) The high environmental cost of disposable diapers, Journal of Maternal and Child Nursing, 15 (5) 279-84)

How many parents do you know who actually scrape poo off a disposable into the loo?
Imagine all those enteric viruses being leached into our waterways, out into the big blue.

Modern fitted cloth nappies do not have the environmental disadvantages of disposablesWhen assessing the environmental concerns of cloth and disposable nappies, it is important to look at the whole life cycle of a nappy, not just the impacts we can see with our own eyes. This includes cultivation, manufacturing, transportation and waste impacts. The results of a Landbank Consultancy study conducted in 1991show that-

• It takes a full cup of crude oil to make the plastic for each ?disposable' nappy
• It takes as much energy to produce one disposable as it does to wash a cloth nappy 200 times
• both nappies use similar amounts of fossil fuel
• disposables take up to 500 years to decompose in landfill sites and can harbour up to 100 different types of virus

[Beatrix]

gigi- very scary whats in a sposie!!

Maz- no vegies for me no more!

Sammi- yay on the still a girl..

Well i now have a 2year old!! Annika had a great day.. and managed to use ever mcn for her doll!!!

now off to take them to daycare

WOMB: magicall
WOAB: dlish- lime

[1MOREPLZ]

Maz you need to clean out your message box!!!!

how many times should i wash itti bittis?? i know i have asked before but my memory is shiat!!!

[Janie]

Sam, yay that you still have a girl

I just have to have a whinge We went away for the weekend, and I decided that although it was totally doable to use cloth, that after our really bad week last week I would give myself a break (I was sick into the bargain). Well after not even 48 hours in sposies, and with sposie wipes, DS has nappy rash! Horrid, yuckky nappy rash, that I'm struggling to get rid of Poor little guy, how bad do I feel? Like a very bad mummy. So my lesson for the week is that sposie aren't necessarily easier (which I already knew )

WOHB: flat and LOTS of penaten!

[Olive]

sez i was going to ring you today!! was worried where you were!!! poo to the nappy rash!!
cloth rules!!

[1MOREPLZ]

what creams are ok to use with MCN's? (just incase of nappy rash when bub comes along.. touch wood it doesn't)

[Janie]

poo to the nappy rash!!

Indeed LOL!

Thanks Jols, just been having a $hit time lately with illness etc, feel like a single parent cos DH is working so hard. We must organise a catch up! I told Ange we could meet up here one day and walk to the shop that sells Moogoo

Hey, where's Nelle?