Thought I might jump in here. We are just starting TTC a girl now. We have a boy who's now 2 1/4 and would really love a girl. I've read up on the Shettles method and DH has gone off to buy some Cranberry tablets :-) So here goes.
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Thought I might jump in here. We are just starting TTC a girl now. We have a boy who's now 2 1/4 and would really love a girl. I've read up on the Shettles method and DH has gone off to buy some Cranberry tablets :-) So here goes.
I am not sure how often the thread gets looked at but i am hoping someone might help me with somethingreally basic, but i think i have read so much it has confused me..:)
I ovulate for about 3 days. The really egg white stuff somes on day 2 & 3, Is this when i begin ovulation or is it the first day....with the icky wet stuff..
If anyone can help me with that and the above post it would be great
thank you
Miklaoz.. i was of the understanding that you start ovulating when you get that egg white CM.. thats when the egg is released. Usually a OPK will give you a positive anywhere from 24-48 hours before you ovulate. So if youre trying for the boy.. once you see that egg white CM.. DTD just once.
Thank you so much for for reply KellXX.
I flicked through the Billings Method Last night and they said in the book that is when you should / should not (if not try) to DTD. :) when you see the CM.
So thank you.
Have you heard for the "douching method" or the Alka Seltzer (Ural). I really need to get my Ph levels up... Any suggestions? :)
I have a book called "Choose The sex of your baby" by Hazel Chesterman-Phillips. Its similar to the Shettles method. But it recommends not to use the douching method unless youve consulted your doctor first as it can lead to infections.
I know of website called "in-gender" that has a whole lot of info on different methods to choose the sex of your baby (just add the dot com to the end). So you might find that helpful too.
Mikloaz, When i was ttc a boy we followed these guidelines dtd about 4days before O (with protection) Dtd once right on O. Also took Alka Seltzer once a day upped my intake of sodium and potassium (lots of bananas and pineapple :) ) cut out calcium and magnesium. Also used a baking soda douche and inserted raw egg whites to help the little swimmers. The douche and egg whites need to be done just before DTD.
There is another higher tech method a lot of girls a using. Is' using an instead cup (a cup that goes over your cervix and menstruation). I think it's some thing like this... first you put in the sperm then a layer of raw egg white then put the cup onto the cervix... I know there is more to it... hang on I will find it...
Here is some more boy tips I stole :D:
There are two methods for ttc a boy: Modified swim up and TBM:
**When sucking up the little spermies and "implanting" them into the V, you need to do this slowly. Not just a quick squirt. The reasoning is that the force will break the tails off the sperm, thus paralyzing them from moving toward the goal.
Modified swim up for ttc a boy:
The principle of this method is Y sperm thrives on the perfect pH (8-9.9.) So if we provided that pH it will encourage the y sperm over the x sperm. Also that a small percentage of the X-bearing sperm are the fastest, followed by the Y-bearing sperm, then slowest are the majority of X-bearing sperm. Semen is placed in the bottom of a test tube and the sperm swim upwards through an egg white-like substance, to the top of the tube. By way of timing (first to arrive are discarded), the Y-bearing sperm (second to arrive) are selected and used for TBM.
*Have dh ingest caffeine one hour before sample is given
For this method you will need:
Test tube
Incubator (approx 99F)
Microscope (best magnification between 100x - 300x)
Instead cup
1 Pasteurized REAL chicken egg (use WHITES only)
Pasteurized powdered egg whites (from box)
Bottled distilled water
2 x medicine droppers
Cup or condom for dh's sample
pH strips
Baking soda douche + douche bottle or needleless syringe
Egg White Mix Recipe:
First check real EW pH. If it is less than 10 then you don’t need to do this. ….Using a fork gently mix: WHITE ONLY from 1 PASTEURIZED CHICKEN EGG + 1/2 teaspoon of REAL EGG WHITE POWDER + 1/2 teaspoon of DISTILLED WATER. pH of this mixture should be 9.
The pH of the egg whites is extremely important. If your egg whites don't have a pH between 9-9.9 then you either need to lower the pH (if it is a 10) or use a different egg (even if it is unpasteurized- salmonella is found in the yolk)
Baking Soda Douche Recipe:
Dissolve: 2 tablespoons of BAKING SODA + 1 liter of warm WATER. Let solution sit for 10 minutes before use.
The Method:
Step 1: Dh to DTD in a cup or condom.
Step 2: Place semen in bottom of test tube-note the measurement.
Step 3: Gently place an equal amount of egg white mixture on top of semen in test tube (ie, 2mls of egg white solution, if 2mls of semen). This should remain floating on top of semen.
Step 4: Place test tube in incubator at a 45 degree angle (temp in incubator should be approx 99F, you may have to put a light towel around base it to reach this temp but do NOT go over 104F as this will slow the sperm down). *Take note of time, or set a timer for 1 hour.
Step 5: Douche a small amount of the above Baking Soda + Water Recipe using a medicine dropper or douche bottle.
Step 6: After 1 hour, use a medicine dropper to suck up a small portion (approx 20% or 0.4mls, if total was 2mls egg white used) off the TOP of test tube. Looking under the microscope, these should be the 'super-fast' X-bearing sperm (if no sperm are found in this very top, then take another portion until the fastest sperm are detected). Discard this portion.
Step 7: Using a different medicine dropper, suck up the next 'section' of mixture (rest of egg white mix). Looking under the microscope, these sperm should appear fast (just use a little for the microscope.) These are majority Y-bearing sperm. Keep this portion. Only keep Egg white mix to insert, Semen will not be used.
Step 8: You may want to now double check that the last portion, which you should only have semen remaining, has the slowest sperm. Make sure you don't mix these up with the portion above! Discard these slow swimmers.
Step 9: Optional: Insert a small amount of EW to coat your cervix and surrounding area. This is highly recommended if there is a lack of ewcm.
Step 10: Gently transfer the sperm/egg white mix into the 'instead cup'. Secure the cup around your cervix (this can be left for up to 12 hours, then removed).
TBM for boy This method is for ttc a ds. The principle of this method is that the Y sperm thrive in an alkaline environment. By artificially creating this environment the theory is that the Y sperm will become more energized and strengthened by using the perfect pH. This will give the Y sperm an advantage over the X sperm.
For this method you will need:
Instead cup
1 Pasteurized REAL chicken egg (use WHITES only)
Pasteurized powdered egg whites (from box if pH of egg isn’t right)
Bottled distilled water (if pH of egg isn’t right)
Cup or condom for dh's sample
pH strips
Baking soda douche + douche bottle or needleless syringe
Egg White Mix Recipe:
First check real EW pH. If it is less than 10 then you don’t need to do this. ….Using a fork gently mix: WHITE ONLY from 1 PASTEURIZED CHICKEN EGG + 1/2 teaspoon of REAL EGG WHITE POWDER + 1/2 teaspoon of DISTILLED WATER. pH of this mixture should be 9.
The pH of the egg whites is extremely important. If your egg whites don't have a pH between 9-9.9 then you either need to lower the pH (if it is a 10) or use a different egg (even if it is unpasteurized- salmonella is found in the yolk)
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Baking Soda Douche Recipe: -->-->
Dissolve: 2 tablespoons of BAKING SODA + 1 liter of warm WATER. Let solution sit for 10 minutes before use.
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The Method:-->-->
Step 1: Have dh ingest caffeine one hour before sample is given -->-->
Step 2: .Douche one hour before TBM-->-->
Step 3: . If no ewcm apply ew
Step 4: Dh to DTD in a cup or condom-->-->
Step 5. Place semen in bottom instead cup-->-->
Step 9: : Gently place an equal amount of egg white mixture on top of semen in instead cup-->-->
Step 10 Put in instead cup and leave for 90 minutes. Try to O as often as possible before and after instead cup is inserted.
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The only thing that is 100% is PGD but we feel swaying can change the odds into our favor. Here you will find a lot of the information that is key for a good swaying attempt. It is up to you to find the right ‘recipe’ or ‘path’ that will be your attempt for a son. We are here to offer support, guidance and answer any questions you might have. There are many things you can do to sway the odds and here is the information that we hope will be helpful to you. The basic idea is that y sperm love a high pH from 8-9.9. When exposed to this pH they will thrive. Also y sperm love potassium and when potassium gets into the molecular level of cervical mucus it helps to ‘guide’ them to there destination faster than x sperm. Sperm count is highest when abstained from 2-6 days with day 4 being the highest and day 7 seeing a dramatic drop off (high sperm count favors y sperm.) Finally, although timing isn’t a proved theory, it is best to time bd near O if possible because this is when cm pH is the highest. Ok here is the rest of the info:
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Boy diet-->-->
There is some studies that suggest the food you eat can affect the gender outcome of your children. So, for the boy diet I did a little comparison between the boy diet (studies show this favors boys), the Potassium diet (potassium favors y sperm), the alkaline diet (effects pH) and the testosterone diet (high testosterone favors boys). You would try to eat off of this from one threw 4- One being the most important and 4 being the least. When doing the boy diet you must be adding salt as much as possible. However salt depletes the body of folic acid and your risk of miscarriage goes up when you don't have enough folic acid. So PLEASE take folic acid supplements when you are on this diet. If you have high blood pressure you should avoid the boy diet. Rather concentrate on the alkaline diet while cutting out dairy
Boy cookbook:
Tier one
Here are the foods that are on all three diets with no calcium or very little calcium in them:
ice burger lettuce (all other lettuce has calcium)
Celery
Tomato's- all forms
Baby Carrots
V8
Peaches
Pairs
Tier two
Here are the foods on the boy diet and the potassium diet with little or no calcium in them:
Meat- most meat but not fish
Potato's - very high is potassium!
Apricots
Cantaloupe
Bananas
Oranges
Apples
Cherries
Pineapples
Gelatin
White rice
Watermelon (magnesium is found in the seeds- do not eat seeds)
Tier 3
Here is the foods on the boy diet and the Alkaline diet.
Dates, dried apricots, dried dates and dried figs. canned soups,
Tier 4
This would be the individual diets in order of importance but avoiding all calcium.
Testosterone diet: gelatin, peanuts, wheat
You can replace milk with a non-dairy creamer (just make sure it has no calcium)
Plain Pasta is a neutral food. It contains none of the minerals on any of the diets.
Drinks
Baking soda drink- One of the fastest ways to raise pH that has been discovered is baking soda drink. It is very important to follow the direction on the box. When baking soda is consumed it is a drug and you can over dose on it. You must also make sure that the powder is completely dissolved because unresolved baking soda can cause ulcers. You drink this from Af to O. If you do this you must take Folic acid every day.
Appe Cidar Vinegar (acv) drink: drink 8 oz water, 2 T ACV, 1/2 tsp BS four times a day for a week. If you do this you must take folic acid evey day.
Cream of tartar drink. Cream of tartar is pure potassium and when added to water it becomes easly absorbed by the body. You can't have any more than 7 tsp a day.. you need to build up gradually. Only side effect is diaherea if taken to much. You can add one tsp of cot to 1/2 tsp bs and 4 oz of water- mix well and wait for fizzing to stop. If you do this you must take Folic acid every day.
Lemon or lime water- Lemons and limes are acidic out of the body. But once consumed they have a chemical reaction with the acidic in the stomach that make them super alkaline. When ttc you want to drink 66-120+ oz of water a day, so why not make it lemon? You can use any form of lemon (fresh or bottled) and you add enough till you can taste it. Lemon is more alkaline than lime however; lemon has just a little less calcium than lime.
Potassium Drink: 1 cup V8
2-6 heaped tbls. nutritional yeast flakes (start with smaller amount)
Potassium- 800-1,800 mg. Protein- 8-24 grams
All other drinks- Some recommend mineral water for ttc a boy. This is ok as long as you can find one with no calcium or magnesium. Caffeine can be consumed by the dh once a day- any more and it will drop sperm count. DW can consume caffeine but remember that coffee is acidic and not to drink diet pop (diet pop is acidic). Juices need to follow the boy diet making sure the fruit is listed as boy safe--> The following are great for ttc a boy: tomato juice ( very high Na and K, low Ca and Mg), Pineapple J, lemon j, apple j and grapefruit juice.( about 10mg of Ca and Mg per 100g for all of them.
The supplements
Supplements are to increase cervical mucus pH. Studies show that high pH favors boy conceptions. These are the supplements I have found. The goal of the boy diet is to increase potassium in the cm and to change pH; the goal of supplements is to change pH and make EWCM. Here are all the supplements that I have heard of for ttc a boy. Granted there may be more. They key here is for you to find the right 'recipe' to make high pH with ewcm with potassium mixed in- this is the goal. Remember.. it is better to take supplements in liquid form if you can find that because it is more easily absorbed by the body
For the dw:
*Evening Primrose Oil (EPO) 1000mg~ Increases cm and ewcm. Take 2-3 capsules per day from last day of period until ovulation
Robitussum or (Guaifenesin tablets) 400mg~ Helps thin out cm.May be taken from last day of period until 3 days after ovulation. Take 2 tsp about 3 times per day-Mucinex over-the counter
Alka Selzter Gold~ Makes cm more alkaline.Drink 1before bed, starting from last day of period until ovulation
*Green Tea 315mg~ Helps loosen cm and improves overall fertility. Drink 2-3 cups per day starting from last day of period. Can also be taken in the form of tablets, 2-3 tablets per
Potassium pills 99mg- Makes cm more alkaline add potassium to cm. Only a little is absorbed with pills. More is absorbed with diet.
Fertile-cm- (ewcm and alkaline) Increase female testosterone, take 3 a day with 66+ oz of water
False unicorn (ewcm, alkaline)- (suppose to help regulate cycle after depo-provera shot)
E 400iu-Strengthens lining of egg
Fish Oil 100 mg- EWCM and makes cm more alkaline (only take recommended amount, not meant for dh)
Folic acid 800-1000mg –strengthens egg and prevents miscarrage and is needed while on the boy diet
*Flaxseed Oil 1000mg -increase cm
*Alfalfa (alkalizes) 650 mg-Only take from Af to O (DO NOT take with Black Cohosh)
*contains fake estrogen- could lengthen your cycle.
For Dh:
**alfalfa (alkalizes) 650mg -As many as needed to rise semen pH to a 9
Zinc (raises testostrone) 50mg -One a day no more
B-12 150mg -Repairs sperm count if dh has caffeen on a daily bases (daily caffeen isn't recommended)
ginseng 500mg- raises testostrone
L-arginine 500mg- raises pH and sperm count
Vitamin E- raies sperm count
**Bs drink is better for dh at raise his pH then alfalfa because alfalfa has photoestrogens. However, if your dh wont take bs drink then alfalfa will work fine
Other supplments:
For prevention of mc these supplements can be taken by the dw. These can be used for ttc a boy or a girl except for false unicorn which is a boy supplement
Vitamin E- this strengthens the outer shell of the egg and helps with implantation
Folic acid- this strengthens the inners part of the egg
Vitamin B12- makes folic acid work better (b6 also lengths luteal phase)
Zinc- this repairs any of the egg that may have been damaged and also helps with implantation
False unicorn- This helps the egg (don't know how), helps with implantation and helps to maintain a pregnancy.
The hardest part is trying to decide what to take. I know for a fact that you can not mix Alfalfa with black cohosh so I don't even have that supplement on this list. After O the only safe suppleness are Fertile-Cm, false unicorn, fish oil, vitamin E, folic acid and flaxseed oil. Because the rest have been know to cause problems with miscarriage.
Optimal pH of cm should be
7.5-9
Optimal pH of dh semen should be 9+
Other tips:
Pre-seed or real egg whites are being used by some to sway for a boy. So is Sea salt baths or baking soda baths and cold showers. I think everyone is using a baking soda douche. This is all based on an environment theory that an Alkaline one produces boys. There is another theory called Shettles the believes it is all timing (O day = boy) Great thing about this is you can do both theories. I personally believe it is more about environment though because my last dd was conceived on O day. I also have a doc friend that says the more you bd the more you will have a girl and vice-versa. Lemon water has a huge but gradual effect on female cm pH. You should drink 66-100+oz a day of this. Also Oing 3 times a day for a week is suppose to raise female pH. Finally some are using instead cups after bd to hold the y sperm up there longer so they get a chance to swim. For ttc a boy you should avoid using the following products because they have been found to lower female testosterone (which favors boys) Nail polish remove, Nail polish, and anything with Aerosols.
For dh you need him to stay away from hot showers and baths. He needs to not wear tight fighting underwear. He also should try to get on the boy diet and he needs to raise his semen pH to a 9+. He can raise pH with alfalfa or other ‘green’ supplements. His pH can be changed quickly with these- he should take as much needed the day before bd to achieve high pH. An hour before bd time he needs to consume large amounts of caffeine. Also if he rubs ice on the family jewels once a day this is rumored to help the y sperm along. Finally, sperm count is highest in the morning so try to time bd then.
The Moon
There is no doubt that the moon can sometimes have and effect on gender if ones body responds to it. Here is the scientific reason behind why this might be and how you can alter that effect if you need to. The theory is that a different sperm have different ions. Now when there is a full moon out it is scientific fact that there are positive ions in the air and we breathe it. When there is a new moon out there are negative ions in the air and you inhaling that as well. The theory is that some peoples bodies react to these ions just like nature does (Google crops and moon, or fish and moon). So when there is a full moon those positive ions cause your egg to have positive ions thus attracting the y sperm. Now if you are O’ing in a new moon you need to try to counteract the effects of the negative ions. You can do this with electrical equipment like an electric blanket, because machines running on electricity omit positive ions or you can buy products for magnate therapy (making sure to use the positive ions also called polar south). (If you are reading this and are ttc a girl then you need to Google rock salt deionizers to counteract the effects of a full moon or use magnate therapy using negative ions- polar north)
Info on pH strips and retrieving cm
There are two pH strips you want to look for. Alkalive and full range (also called universal). These are found the cheapest on ebay (search pH strips then select lowest to highest price.) Alkalive can measure between numbers like a 6.75 but can be hard to read so you need a back up. The full range strips will only read one number- no between but they are very easy to read.
How to retrieve cm….TMI!!! You reach up inside your V and with your finger you touch the cervix. Then you hook your finger and pull out. The cm on the tip of your finger is the one you want to test. The cm closest to your cervix is the most alkaline and the cm on the edges of your v is acidic. Wipe this on the pH strip and wait for up to 10 minutes depending on how much water is in your cm. If your pH strip doesn’t change and you have tried several times to test pH; this means you have low ionic strength in your cm (which could indicate a very low pH). Union pH only tells you how you are doing with your diet and supplements that day- it does not help with swaying besides that.
To test dh pH you have him give a sample in a cup or a condom. Then test that sample with pH strips right away (the longer semen sits out the higher the pH goes and you want to know his initial pH).
Baking Soda Douche
To help conceive a baby boy use an Alkaline Douche
Dissolve two tablespoons of baking soda in one liter of warm water and mix.
Let the solution stand for approximately 10 minutes.
One hour before intercourse stir the solution again then insert some of the solution into the vagina (This can be done with a douche or a syringe ~ both available at pharmacies).
While inserted, empty the douche or syringe slowly and gently preferably while lying down to ensure maximum effect.
Baking Soda Finger
This is for women who can’t do baking soda douche because of susceptibility to infections, but still want to raise there pH before bd. An hour before bd make sure your hands are clean and then you wet the tip of your finger (some say middle finger is easier) then dip it in baking soda. Then, sit down on the toilet and insert your finger with the baking soda and pull out. If tested right away your cm should go from low to high (4.5 to 7-8) and stay that way for up to four hours. You might be able to smell the baking soda, but it shouldn’t burn or hurt. Big thing to remember is to make sure not to actually touch your cervix. It has been said that it would burn pretty badly if you did. -->-->
How to use egg whites or Pre-seed
Egg whites: Goal pH of egg whites is 9-9.9 and the fresher the egg the better the pH.
Normal pH of egg whites:
Real eggs in cold refrigeration separated whites; non-pasteurized: 10+
Pasteurized from real egg separated whites 8-10+
Pasteurized egg whites from box (with additives) 8-9
Powered egg whites 6.5
Farm fresh eggs- never refrigerated, non-pasteurized, separated 9-9.9
The pH of the egg whites is extremely important. If your egg whites don't have a pH between 9-9.9 then you either need to lower the pH (if it is a 10) or use a different egg (even if it is unpasteurized- salmonella is found in the yolk)
Egg White Mix Recipe:
How to lower pH :
First check real EW pH. If it is less than 10 then you don’t need to do this. ….Using a fork gently mix: Mix whites of egg with 1/2 teaspoon of real egg white powered + 1/2 teaspoon of distilled water. pH of this mixture should be 9.
How to raise pH:
Week before attempt wash egg shells in soap and water. Place in eggs either in a glass bowl or other non-plastic container and let them sit in there for a wee-
Egg whites can provide a mucus-like environment which is sperm friendly. Take an egg out of the fridge set it on the counter for approximately 1 hour, so it can reach room temp. Before DTD, crack open the egg separate the yolk from the white then check pH of egg white; and then insert the room temperature white gently into your vagina. Worried about bacteria? It is the yolk not the egg white that would carry bacteria.
Pre-seed mix:
Pre-seed has a pH of 7. To ttc a boy you need at least a pH of 8. To raise pH of pre-seed place pre-seed in a paper cup. Then mix about 4 pinches of baking soda in with it by stirring. The pre-seed might change colors to white but it still should have the same consistency. Check pH of pre-seed to make sure it is an 8. Suck up pre-seed with dropper and use as needed.
WOW! :)
If you could have only seen my face ..(mouth wide open) that is a whole lot of reading and a whole lot of advice. Some is a bit scary.
I think i may just stick to dtd on the Ovulation day (maybe even the second day not the first...)
I am a bit skeptical of using the douching methods (i have read alot about infection etc) But a few years ago i was advise to use the Vinegar Douching method for Yeast control from a Obstriction.. I am more concerned about harming the baby than anything else. BUt then again you said oyu used it yourself.....
Thak you so much for all that information i am going to go back and re read it and try to figure out what i will do with the douching...
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Thank you agian to kellXX i might search ebay for that book and thank you foe the website too :)
No worries Miklaoz. Its actually my sister's book she lent me which she used after 2 boys to get a girl and worked ;)
Best of luck :)
Mikaloz- We tried to concieve a boy this time, which we did (hopefully the ultrasound wasnt wrong) and we basically just DTD the day I O'd, I am one of the lucky ones that can actualley feel O happening, so I O'd about lunch time and we DTD that night, we did doggy style for deeper penetration and that was the extent of our trying and we struck lucky, dont know if it was good luck or the timing but happy with the outcomes all the same.
Ali.. just want to say congrats on getting your boy!! Thats awesome!
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Wow that is great news... Congratulations , I am also guessing by your mood symbol that you could possibley be in labour :)
Exciting plus, hope all goes well for you
Well girls I'm back after our move and will be test tomorrow, AF is due Thursday I think so fingers crossed.
hugs xoxo
Hi all, I'm new here. Will be ttc a boy in Jan. Am using as many methods combined as possible that dont conflict with one another(but not douche) including supplemnts, diet, timing, moon charts, ph levels, ovulex, doggie, coffee and boxers for him, and the FC method. (FINGERS CROSSED). But changing ph from fully acid to opposite will take up to 8 weeks i am told. Is this true??? can i speed that up??
Yep, 6weeks you will need to be on the diet for it to take affect. According to some the diet will also change the way the egg attracts the sperm (that's if you are using the potassium/sodium diet and not just the alkalising diet).
Maybe you could douche if you are in more of a hurry?
do i need to do that just before we dtd or is it a weekly thing or daily or??? i am clueless about douching. all i have ever heard is that it is dangerous and can cause infections.... if i do it how long will the alkaline environment continue? so many questions.....
Amanda, how are things?? Fingers crossed!!
Douche is just before DTD when trying to catch the egg. There is another way... if you look at the post of mine in this thread with the huge quote there is something called the baking soda finger. maybe you could try that if you don't want to douche??
Thanks Tanya, I might give that a go. Heaps of good info there. We are counting down to mid January to begin TTC and using the time now to prepare, which involves lots of research. I am amazed at how things have changed and improved in the "pregnancy world" since I was last in it.