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Ok just spoke to the head scientist he said our numbers are standard for day 3 of our 4 good embies they are grade 1 and 2 so he is happy he said of the 8 eggs he would expect us to have 4 good ones on day 3 so he told me not to worry and it is scarey but everything is going normally.
Our beautiful blastocyst was biopsied this morning we were in the city waiting for the phone call so we could have our TF only the phone call was that our embie was effected with our bad gene the same as abbi so we are shattered 7 months of waiting and hoping are over and we are no closer to our dream we are not doing anymore IVF we will try one more time the natural way and hope 3rd time lucky otherwise that is it i will be thankful for my 3 boys that i have to my ex.
HI ferrals
So sorry to hear your bad news. That phone call can be really shattering, i understand how you feel. Best of luck for your natural try.
Daisie
Hi Ferrals,
I am really sorry to log on and find your news! It's just so hard when your hopes are taken away like that - especially after the wait you had. I'm really sorry for you. I hope you get a natural miracle.
Sending you strength and hoping you're ok. :grouphug:
xx
Ferrals, am so sorry to hear your news. Hope you're ok and you have a natural miracle on the way soon.
BulieJ how are you going? Have you started your new cycle?
Tigga how's everything going with you? Did you work out what to do re DHEA, chinese herbs etc?
AFM I POAS early this week and it was positive. I've had one bt which indicated good hcg levels (120 @ 14 DPO) and am having another one today. Not entirely sure what I'm feeling, I'm quite removed from everything and can't bring myself to think about it too much. xxx
ferrals - I hope you're going ok. As good as can be expected since your sad news. :grouphug:
Anyos - :dance: What a wonderful surprise - a natural BFP! All the very best for a smooth run all the way to holding that baby in your arms (and beyond!) Stories like yours give me hope. Oh! I just :pray: :pray: :pray: something like that would happen to me. I am seeing another specialist tomorrow for a 2nd opinion. I've started on the chinese herb/acupuncture with Shen Therapies and its now two months since I started on the DHEA. I plan to cycle again in February - unless of course I'm blessed with a natural BFP in the meantime!! I'll continue to post updates as I have them.
Buliej - How are you going? I hope AF arrived and you're well into your cycle - you just never know and I truly hope it's the one for you!!! Geez, we sure could do with a break couldn't we!!!
Hi to everyone else too! How is everyone? I hope you are well wherever you're at on this journey.
Hi ladies
Anyos-congratz on your natural BFP it makes me feel confident i have plenty of time to get pregnant so my clock is ticking a little quieter now.
Tigger- good to see you are on all your teatment and getting a seconed oppinion all the best i will be looking out for your updates.
AFM-I am great life is good i have the man of my dreams who adores me and 3 healthy teenagers driving me batty my AF is almost finnished so i am looking forward to TTC again after 8 months of being safe for the PDG IVF so i am getting excited we both feel confident we will be 3rd time lucky and hope mother nature will give us a healthy baby this time i just hope it doesnt take to long it took 5 months to fall pregnant with abbi i would like it to happen a bit quicker so i can get to 12 weeks do the cvs and get the all clear and than relax so i am on the vitex and all the vitamins ect and start the robitussin in 4 days i did that the month i got pregnant with abbi so i hope it works this time round anyway i am rambling on i have to hit the hay have to get up early i will check back in soon.
Anyos - how are you going. Have you had a scan yet? Hope all is well!
Ferrals - Good luck on the natural path...at least it's fun...unlike IVF.
AFM, went to see a new FS yesterday. Talk about a man on a mission...after some thorough questioning, he was like "right, this is what we're going to do to get you pregnant..." Then proceeded to do a biopsy of my uterus right then and there for NK Cell testing (will have results back in 2.5weeks), then next step is a lap/hyst before end of year (my last lap was in 2007 and I got a natural BFP 7 months later - he seems to think that endo could have grown back) and if all that is clear in the new year I will do a totally different protocol to anything my other FS has ever suggested - he's like "we've got no time to waste, let's rule everything out and then throw everything in". I kind of liked the way he took control - my other FS is more consulting like, "you can have a lap if you want, you can try DHEA if you want". The new FS seemed hopeful, told me to focus on the fact that I've been pregnant 3 times and not focus on the high FSH or PR tag - so, with some renewed hope and a new motivated FS between my legs (hahaha)...I'll be off and running soon. I'm glad I sought the second opinion and even though my travel time has now gone from 10mins to the old clinic to 1hr10mins to the new clinic - I hope it will all be worth it!
Dutchie, Bulie, Daisie - Hi! Hope you ladies are all good.
Wow Tigga - that sounds great. I'm very happy for you. What is the name of your new FS and what protocol does he want you to follow?
Anyos - hope things are progressing nicely for you
Ferrals - good luck with the old fashioned approach!
AFM - AF was late - very, very late - but I've started this LAST cycle - have decided that if I make it to pick-up, I may ask to grow to blast regardless of number of embryo's - I am tired of m/c'ing and would rather have nothing to transfer than to transfer another embryo that is doomed from the start. I know that there are 3 day-ers that don't make it to 5 days, but would have made a healthy baby - but I need to preserve my sanity and don't want to be dealing with a 4th D&C in the new year...definitely not a glass half full person when it comes to this whole TTC thing!
Hi BulieJ.
His name is Glenn Sterling from Life Fertility in Brisbane. I don't have all the details of the protocol because he said we'd finalise it after Lap & NK test results are back - but he talked about a short cycle with Syneral and 600 Puregon - he also mentioned steroids if the NK results came back positive. I'll post the full details when I get them in a few weeks time. (Also told me to stay on DHEA, even though he said there's no conclusive evidence that it works, it can't hurt).
I also spoke to him about the 3day transfer vs 5day blast debate and he said he said he would do either but his preference is to go to blast because he could better determine viability (he said some clinics did Day 3 only b/c they don't like working on weekends - I think my old clinic fell into that category). He openly said to me that he won't transfer a blast that does not have the Inner Cell Mass?? (I think that was what he was referring to - but am not 100% sure). He said that on the day he saw me, he'd cancelled a transfer that morning, even though there was blastocyst - because he said that it wasn't viable. Yes, the lady would get pregnant - but it wouldn't last so he figures he'd save her the heartache. I agree with this theory - and I know exactly what you mean about facing another D&C. In my last cycle, I did find some relief in the fact that I got a straight BFN and not a BFP that later turned into a m/c. Some would find that a strange comment - but I'm sure you'll understand where I'm coming from with it.
Where are you at in your cycle? What protocol are you on? How have FSH levels been? What reasons have you been given for your m/c's? Have you had NK Cell test? Sorry about 101 Q's.
I totally understand, it's bloody hard to maintain a glass half full on this ride - when you've been through the disappointments we have. But Buliej, I truly, truly hope you get a miracle on the "lucky" last. I'll be following you with absolutely everything crossed xxxx :pray:
hey ladies how is everyone going?
Ferrals, glad you're feeling good and hope you have a wonderful break with your family these hols
Tigga, your new FS sounds fantastic, I'm glad he's driven & optomistic! Are you booked in for the lap or waiting for results to come in?
Buliej, hope this cycle brings you a miracle. Am thinking of you and praying it all goes smoothly.
AFM down with bloody flu & feeling terrible. Haven't had scan yet but did third bt yesterday to check levels. Am on anti-miscarriage herbs from naturopath but have stopped dhea. Praying it sticks.
anoys - hope you feel better soon and get good news from your BT results. When will your first scan be?
Tigga - interesting - I've wondered why they don't go above 450 - the mechanism that delivers the Puregon isn't even designed to do more than 450 - you'd have to jab twice...what fun! I generally like his approach - only put in what has the best shot at working. I am going to ask my clinic about this Inner Cell Mass thing. I totally understand the preference for a BFN over a BFP that is doomed from the start to miscarry. I don't need any more "hope" in terms of my ability to get pregnant - I've done that - now I only want sticky embryos that develop into healthy babies. Keep us posted on your new approach!
I'm doing antagonist - 450 - with DHEA and Clomid - same old/same old. I have had 3 m/c's - 1st = trisomy 15; 2nd = trisomy 22; 3rd = no fetal tissue found (I am not sure if this is a blighted ovum). Belief is that it's an egg quality issue. My FSH levels have always been less than 10 - didn't even have a test this time. My FS says they don't matter anymore as my results from the 6 prior cycles are more informative than an FSH test. I would like to have an NK test so that if we go the donor route, I don't learn of more obstacles at the wrong time. I even have the orders in hand for this.
Hi to everyone else...must get back to work.
Anyos - I hope everything is ok with you and this pregnancy is progressing well.
BulieJ - How are you? I hope your cycle is going well! You do have good preg rate and just need that one good egg to surface. I hope it shows up this cycle. It's smart to get NK Cells Test. Sometimes I wonder why the FS's just don't do ALL of it straight up so that we're not wasting our precious time. I think I'll do 2 more cycles with my own eggs before going onto donor. We will be starting counselling for donor in January.
AFM, AF arrived today and I have lap/hyst this week - so hopefully before Christmas I will have the all clear on NK and Endo etc and get a plan for the new year...a fresh start. Can't wait!
I often wonder how everyone else is doing...Dutchie, Daisie, Ferrals? Hopefully all well.
HI Tigga - I got a BFP yesterday! I'm stunned and still very cautious. So much can go wrong this early, but this is the first time I've ever been pg... so I'm thrilled. Just goes to show that you can still go ahead with your cycle with a slightly high FSH. Mine was 14.5 (the day before CD1) and going up. Anyway, my FS says it's a good start and to wait and see what we get on the scan in January.
GL to you for the lap/hyst...take it easy over the next few days... it took me 5 days to recover after mine.
Daisie
Daisie - that is just the best news!!! :clap: :clap: and I'm sure it'll bring hope to all those with higher than average FSH - it does for me anyway!!. :dance: I have everything crossed for you that it's a smooth ride all the way to holding your baby in your arms. Oh! Such wonderful, wonderful news! Thanks for sharing!!
Daisie - that is awesome - I am sending very sticky vibes for a happy and healthy baby and mum!
Tigga - not sure if I will make it for pick up - am back for my 3rd scan tomorrow and the decision will be made then as I have to be ready for pick-up by Friday or they will cancel as that's there last retrieval date of the year. They weren't sure from my last scan if I'd make it.
I believe that anyone over the age of 35 who needs IVF should have all the testing done from day 1 - that the drs shouldn't wait for 3 m/c before testing as the clock really starts ticking at 35...something I fully appreciate now and didn't before.
Good luck with the lap/hyst - I recovered very quickly from my lap - hope you have the same experience. I think recovery has more to do with your reaction to anesthesia than the procedure as it's much heavier than the anesthesia used for egg retrieval (for those of us not going through a lap to treat endo - that can be a harder recovery).
Anyos - hope things are progressing nicely for you and that you are feeling better.
Quick update from me - my cycle was canceled...am signing off in terms of ivf with my own eggs so I'll be lurking wishing you all the best - I really hope to see some [more] BFPs in this thread...
Daisie, a massive congratulations to you on your BFP, I'm so thrilled for you and DH that is just awesome! Wishing you a very happy and uneventful nxt 8 months.
buliej, so sorry to hear about your cancelled cycle, its so bloody disappointing. Big (((hugs))) to you hunni, I'm thinking of you.
Tigga, BOL for your lap/hyst, I hope it all goes very smoothly for you. Your new FS sounds awesome, wishing you all the very best for the new year!
anyos, I hope everything is going beautifully for you. When is your first scan hun? Enjoy your time away, you certainly deserve some you and DH time. Thinking of you
Hello to anyone else I may have missed, hope things are all well.
Hi Girls,
Didn't think this would happen but I am back here one very last time, will need all of your support as I am doing this against my better judgement. I had given up on my own eggs but since I haven't yet found a donor and it is the very last oportunity to access PGD services (next month the price is going up by another $4000 out-of-pocket) DP and I were considering to go again.
Went in for FSH today and it is 9.8 - which in the greater scheme of things is probably not exactly great but probably the best one I ever had, so I am taking this as that the fertility goddess has spoken and here we go again. Still pretty emotional and upset (cried all the way on the train on the way in to the BT) and haven't yet decided 100% but it looks Like I am starting on the drugs again tomorrow morning.
Thanks for listening
Sara
BulieJ - I am really, really sorry you have been cancelled. It's just awful what some of us have to go through. I am thinking of you and will continue to think of you and hope that you find peace, acceptance and contentment in whatever life has in store. For me, that is all I wish for...baby or not. I will continue to post knowing you'll continue to lurk. :grouphug:
Sara - Welcome back and best of luck for this cycle - you just never ever know. That's a good FSH result - look at Daisie...living proof that anything is possible. Continue to post and we'll continue to support you through this cycle. The emotions are so normal. I have been so fearful lately...of it never working but have got back to meditating and find it helps take the edge off and help me relax.
Dutchie - How are you going?
Daisie - How are you travelling? Hopefully all good.
AFM, had lap/hyst on Friday. Feel a bit blah, but ok. Good excuse to sloth around the house for a few days anyway. I have follow up appt with FS on Tuesday and am keen to hear what he proposes for my way forward.
Strength and happiness to all!
Hi All!
Sara - How are you going with this cycle? I really hope you're ok.
Bulie - I hope you're finding more joy in each day - I always have the toughest time after a cycle. I'm thinking of you.
A quick update from me...
Saw FS yesterday. I'm spring cleaned now of endo which had grown back in places and he confirmed that everything else is in order (phew! it's nice to get no surprises for once :clap:). NK Cell results still not back - but if all clear here's the protocol he has proposed:
- Starting me on Baby Asprin now. (I've been on 3x25mg daily DHEA since Sept '09)
- Clomid 100mg Day 2-6.
- Syneral x2 am/pm Day 2-6.
- Puregon 600
- Orgalutran
- Ovidrel to trigger
- Decide on day whether we do IVF or ICSI (depends on sperm on the day)
- Grow to blast (even if there's 2).
- Use 'assisted hatching' - if needed.
- Transfer done under ultra-sound (my old clinic didn't provide this).
- Also offered 'embryo-glue' - but I think I'll by-pass that.
Definitely more proactive than my old clinic - hopefully it makes a difference. I'm going on an o/s holiday in the new year , so I'll be cycling when I'm back mid/late Jan (or mid/late Feb depending on when AF shows up).
Strength, happiness and Christmas cheer to all!
Good luck Tigga (and thanks for your kind words) - interesting that you are using Orgalutron and Syneral as I always thought it was one or the other. I think the goal of both of these is to prevent ovulation - but maybe they also control hormones. Good luck with the protocol - it sounds somewhat similar to my last few. I had so many drugs that I had to set reminders on my mobile phone.
Sara - hope all is going OK for you with this cycle.
Hi Dutchie and everyone else...
Wow, Tigga, that is one huge drug schedule! You go girl! It's bound to get a good result.
I am still on track (phew) but not counting my chickens until first scan in Jan. Good luck for your next cycle, I'll check back in to see how you're getting on.
Daisie
Just checking in to see how you're going Sara? Hope all is ok.
Hope everyone else has had a lovely Christmas!
Hi Girls,
Just a quick update - my cycle was cancelled and I am now back to looking for an egg donor - I am pretty okay about it, feeling very calm as if a weight had been lifted off my shoulders.
It was partly my decision my doctor left it open to me, it looked like the maximum I could expect would have been two eggs and with the added PGD and the need to have them grow to blastocysts to be able to test them the chances to succeed were so small that I just wasn't able to go through with it emotionally.
Thanking you all for your support and for sharing my journey for this past year. Wishing you a 2010 which makes your wishes come true.
Take care,
Sara
Sara - I completely understand your decision and feelings - 100%...I was just there...couldn't go through it physically or emotionally for 1-2 eggs. Hope 2010 brings all of our dreams and wishes...
Tigga - hope you are recovering!
Daisie - fingers crossed for first scan.
buliej- I am sorry to read your cycle was cancelled and of the position you are in- hope success is close for you in 2010
daise- well done! and hope all is going well
tigga- good luck with the next cycle
sara- posted in the other thread to you, but wishing you all the best going forward
Hello wonderful ladies of this thread. Well, it's that time of year when I can't get that Christmas song out of my head...you know the one..."Another year over...and a new one just begun..."
Sara - I am sorry to hear your news. At least you can rest assured, that you tried. Good luck on the donor path. I think I've got one or two more cycles in me and then I'll be joining you there!
Daisie - how's your miracle going...I'll have my fingercrossed for your scan - hopefully, it can help you relax and enjoy this!
Bulie, Dutchie, Anyos, Ferrals, Possum and everyone else who's been part of this journey & thread in 2009...
It's time to kiss the backside of 2009 good-bye. Let's pray that 2010 is full of peaceful minds and happy days, irrespective of where this journey decides to take us.
AFM, lap scars have healed. I'm off o/s for two weeks to the land of balmy days, cheap shopping & $10 massages! When I check in for my flight, I am not checking in my 'TTC baggage', hahahaha. I figured, I can live without it for a few weeks at least. When the clock ticks over tonight, with a few drink under my belt, I also plan to leave my 2009 TTC woes IN 2009 and not take them with me into 2010. It's a fresh year, a new start!
Happy New Year Ladies!
Hi all. Hope you all have fun New Years and 2010 is the year for the BFP!
Tigga - I've had a bit of spotting actually, but my FN says that is fine and not to worry unless I get heavy bleeding. I guess there is nothing that can be done anyway, so I should try to worry - my motto during my last cycle was "It is what it is" and I guess that applies now as well. One week till scan, so fingers crossed I get there and all is well.
Daisie
happy new year everyone! I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and praying that 2010 brings you joy, happiness & peace.
Daisie, congratulations, hope all is going well.
Tigga glad the op went well and hope you have a wonderful holiday, the $10 massages sound fantastic!
Buliej sorry to hear your cycle was cancelled, hoping you had a good break and have a fresh start this year.
Dutchie, how are you going honey? Have been thinking of you and hope all is well.
Possums, Sara and everyone else, hope you are all well.
AFM travelling well apart from the usual holiday family dramas. Had my first scan last week and the little bean is cooking nicely. Thank you all for your love and support last year. I'm very grateful for the support, advice, humor and honesty that this little community has shared with me. I won't be posting much here but will definitely be lurking and cheering everyone on.
xxxx s
Hi ladies i havnt posted in a while just letting my body get back to normal after my Nov cycle my hormones are a bit mucked up but i had an appt today with my FS and i would like some reasurance from you girls as you have a lot more experience with this blasted FSH hormone my levels seem to be hovering between 9 and 10.5 the FS said thats on the high end of normal but she is not worried as i responded really well to a low dose of meds (fantasticly her words) and had plenty of follies and a good number of eggs she doesnt expect me to hit menopause for at least 10-15 years and believes that with us trying naturally we will be pregnant in the next few months as it was only 9 months ago that we lost abbi but i have my doubts out of the 8 eggs we had 3 blasts 1 grade 2 and 2 grade 3 the quality of our embryos wasnt great she seems to think that is pretty average for a 1st cycle anyway we have decided if we are not pregnant by may that we will do a normal ivf cycle instead of pgd and test the baby at 12 weeks i would rather get pregnant sooner and test the baby to give us more time to try again if need be but where my concerns are with the FSH have you heard of anyone having slightly elevated levels but still be fertile and produce plenty of follies and eggs like me and has anyone used the internet FSH urine tests? and the clear blue fertility monitor.
also i am now taking coQ10,royal jelly maca capsules,and vitex plus i have made an appt with catherine chan the famous fertility naturopath(as seen on accurrent affair)to see if she can help me i just dont understand how she thinks i am still nice and fertile with FSH around 10 sorry i have rambled on.
Tigga-good luck with your next cycle.
Sara-sorry to read your cycle was cancelled.
Dasie-have you had your u/s yet hope all is well.
Bluiej-sorry to hear that your cycle also diddnt go well i hope 2010 is much more positive for you.
Hi Ladies
I hope you are all well. What's everyone up to?
Thought I'd post an update...
I've had a break but I strapped myself into the front seats of the rollercoaster today (CD2) (eeeek!) with 600 FSH jab (highest yet), 100mg Clomid (first time ever for me) and tomorrow I start Syneral Spray 2 x am and 2 x pm (haven't used that before either). Unfortunately this is not how I was meant to start my cycle. I was supposed to start Syneral Spray today and then add FSH tomorrow - but AF surprised me on Friday evening and I hadn't picked up drugs. (Grrrr!) When I rang the doc he said, clinic was closed Saturday and it wouldn't compromise the cycle to change the plan (luckily I had FSH left over from last cycle which he told me to use instead)...sometimes I wonder??? and really wish they'd make a bigger effort to work more than M-F??? Anyway, this cycle I've decided to drop the worrying and go with whatever the doc says and not question or google what he says, which I've been tempted to do (about starting with Synarel first or second) even though I know it only does my head in.
Unfortunately, I didn't have Baseline BT done this time (I've just started with a new clinic and AF arrived on Friday evening which means CD 2 was today...of course, new clinic not open so no BT's ). This means I will not know if DHEA made any difference to my FSH levels - which is somewhat frustrating. I wonder if they'll test tomorrow (CD3) - but I suppose it won't be accurate anyway because I started drugs today.
Call me a fool, but I'm diving into the deep end of 'hope' for this cycle!! Afterall, I've been taking DHEA and it's the year of the Tigga, errr Tiger isn't it?
Hope everyone here's doing ok!
I'm posting just in case there's anyone lurking. I am going to EPU this Friday with two follicles. The DHEA hasn't worked on Quantity so I have fingerscrossed it has on Quality.
Hi Tigga - I was just thinking about you today, wondering how you've been doing...i've been lurking...sorry to hear that you don't have an increase in quantity (I had the same experience with DHEA) - fingers crossed that it helps with quality. Please keep us posted!
BOL with EPU on friday Tigga, wishing you all the best...heres to 2 high quality eggs!
Hi ladies, just popping in to wish you well...I am a bit of lurker at the moment myself :lol:
good luck tigga
Thanks for the ongoing support ladies.
Geez, I so wish I was posting some good news - but it's not.
2 follies gave us one egg, so the odds were always stacked high against me with one egg but it's funny how you still believe/hope it will/might/can happen.
We did get fertilisation, but it's "abnormal". Either 2 sperm got in or the egg did not discard half the chromosones it should have so there's 3 packets of chromosones when there should be 2 (I hope I got that right). The scientist did say that these embies do divide and sometimes even go onto reach blastocyst, can implant as well but will result in a miscarriage inevitably.
Given the above, we've decided to cut our losses here and won't be transferring anything.
Anyone else ever made a call like this?
DH and I are sad and bummed - but not beaten!
The clouds are hovering over our house - but I'm doing and will continue to do everything I can to keep them at bay. I figure, if I'm sad - it may as well be under a sunny sky!
Strength & happiness to us all!
Tigga - I'm sorry. I know the disappointment that comes with this - you hope that DHEA will do the trick...then you hope that you will have perfect fertilization....and it goes on & on. You are stronger than I - I wouldn't even go through with retrieval with only 2 follicles - just couldn't do it. I am 100% sure that I would not have gone ahead with the transfer in your situation - it would be pointless to do so...all you would wait for is a BFN or a m/c - how horrible - it's hard enough when the embryo looks good.
Hope that you feel the warmth of sunshine even if it's not sunny!
Oh Tigga I'm sorry this cycle didn't go to plan. If you ever want to chat about it &/or other options available please send me a PM. Xx
Hi ladies it is very quiet in here i hope everyone is doing ok.
I have a question i hope some one might be able to help with.
Have you heard of stress being a cause of high FSH i googled it and it seems it can be but i have not read any posts referring to it.
My naturopath believes my FSH of 8,9.6 and 10 were due to the stress of losing my daughter and waiting for genetic testing and my PGD work up then a cancelled cycle due to high E2 she thinks that because i responded really well to a low dose of puregon and had lots of follicles and 100% fertilisation that stress was the reason.
We are not doing another cycle of PGD IVF as it is to expensive and are ttc naturally which has never been a problem before but now i worry was my FSH a little high because of stress or is it because i am getting older this is our 5th month we have been ttc and i worry that maybe it wasn't stress i have booked in to see west mead ivf at the end of may if i am still not pregnant by then.
Sorry to ramble i am a real stress head so im taking anti stress tablets to help just wanted any feed back if anyone else heard of stress being a cause.