Hehehe I am ignorant and know nothing about Clexane but very glad for you that you don't have to deal with 20ml!!!!!!!
Right back at you chick, hope your lil one is burrowing in nicely too :)
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Hehehe I am ignorant and know nothing about Clexane but very glad for you that you don't have to deal with 20ml!!!!!!!
Right back at you chick, hope your lil one is burrowing in nicely too :)
melissa thinking of you & praying for you Hun xx
hi girls surge yesterday, so hooray transfer next week prob thurs or fri ( i had day 6 blasty so maybe Fri?) feels like years away but i guess I just have ot be patient, I will have 1 1/2 week wait rather than a tww! Maybe I;ll be here by myself if you both get bfps lol.
Melissa- its so hard being your last go, really really hope it works out, at least you know you did all you could xxxx
Hiya
Woo Hoo for the surge Saffy!! I was forgetting you have blasties so was thinking you would transfer Sunday/Monday...Seems like ages away!! lol :) I guess your two week wait starts before it actually starts iykwim :lol:
How are you going Melissa?? Hope you are relaxing and those embies are developing nicely!
AFM: Feel very blah about this cycle. Cant get excited or optimistic. Didnt help that I woke up this morning with my legs feeling a little fluidy. This is a classic PMS sign for me.... :( I think it has to do with estrogen surging??? But then, i think it's way too early for PMS. I am only 5dpo (with a 15 day luteal phase). Also, being 3dp2dt my embie would only be a blastie by now (if it has gone on). Implantation wouldnt be for another couple of days.
To make things worse, now I am panicking that my embie grew too fast before transfer. I know I was celebrating it being 10 cell but after doing some reading, i am not sure that's a good thing???
Honestly, it all just feels like a waste of time, emotional energy and money :( (for me I mean)
Sorry....Whinge over.
stop googling N2L!!!!!!!!!!
:o Who me???!!!! Googling??? As if!!!! I am innocent!! Innocent I tell you!
(kind of. Ish.) ;) :lol:
Dr Google is like that nasty, insidious so-called friend who makes you feel like garbage but you keep going back for more punishment!! You had an awesome looking embie so you've given it the best shot you can. Try not to stress . . . Says she who has baked all day to shut her brain up!! But mmmm brownies, carrot cake and breakfast bars! The embryos wanted them . . . Truly!! Any who, what day do you have your bt? We must be pretty much exactly the same stage cos I had 3 day embryos the day after you, my bt is the 21st
Saff - yay yay yay for the surge!!! Pretty cool that we will all be going mad together in 2ww!! Yay for 5 day transfer too, day's think it will make the wait feel any shorter?
Ok dumb and tmi question time. I have never been sure about the whole caffeine thing during ivf, I've gone from going cold turkey to having the odd coffee and obviously never has made any difference to the outcome. ATM I would kill for a coffee (I'm a 4 - 5 double shots a day kinda gal when not cycling) but I'm terrified that one coffee will be make or break. I did say dumb question time too, btw :P Also I am a little bit crampy and have been so since epu so . . . Ahem . . . have been keeping my distance from DH. Is a quickie really gonna be an issue, I know we should carry on relatively normally but again, it's that whole worry about what if we didn't do this or that if the cycle doesn't work. And if I'm crampy, don't wanna upset things any more iykwim
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Hiya :)
How is everyone?
Melissa - my blood test is on the 23rd. My period is due the day before so I might not make it :dunno: I hear you on the coffee and sex thing! I don't give up coffee in the 2ww but I do give up sex (not sure what that says about me :lol:)! With regards to the coffee, my FS says one a day is fine (that's all I have normally anyway). I don't know, maybe I should give it up too....???? Sigh...
Re the sex... I love sex. I miss it during the tww but I can't help think it could be a bad thing -especially before implantation has a chance to happen. You know what though? Not having sex hasn't helped me so far so maybe I should be shagging like a rabbit :lol:
Hi Saffy! How are you going?
AFM: 5dp2dt and no symptoms whatsoever :( Maybe the mildest of mild twinge of a cramp every now and then but so, so mild I am barely aware of it. I have creamy lotion-y cm but that would be the pessaries. I don't think I have ever felt this 'normal' after a transfer. I am pretty sure I am out :( :(
N2l- do not even think about announcing you are out yet! Its waaaay too early sister.... I felt normal last time remember- no symptoms at all, so it doesn't mean anything.
melissa-I drink decaf coffee ( not a big coffee drinker anyway so I find decaf still has enough caffiene in it) why not try that? As for sex, I would wait, you don't want to regret anything esp if it is your last go.... besides an O ( not the ovulation type O) gives BAAAD BAAAAD cramps as I found out in my last pregnancy- its scary! DH will survive lol
AFM- transfer booked in for thursday, hooray, just wish this week would hurry and be over! Picking up the clexane tomorrow- ouch! Also, we are offically POOR thanks to this FET!!
Thanks Saff :) Great to hear you have your transfer booked! We will all be in the TWW wait then!
I forgot to say I think my estrogen is on the rise too. I have that metallic taste in my mouth and the ankle/leg fluid retention thing happening. I can't recall exactly what that "means" cycle wise but I am pretty sure it is AF related :(
whens your BT N2L??
How are you going Melissa?
The 23rd Saff. Eight days away...
Not hopeful at all :( haven't even got sore boobs :(
Going mad, going mad, going mad!!!!!! I hate the 2ww, it such a mindf**k.
Yay Saff - good luck for Thursday, chickadee, hope your lil one thaws absolutely beautifully :) As for the "O", the cramps are what I was afraid of and I know I definitely would be thinking along the lines of not a good idea. He'll have to survive a bit longer lol
N2L - I hear you on not having sore boobies. They are a tiny tiny bit tender but I have noticed that this varies a lot from cycle to cycle, be it ivf or natural for me. Don't know what this means, but surely with the amount of progesterone we are on, we can't have low progesterone? Ugh, I really hope your lack of symptoms/pms-y signs end up giving you a huge big surprise next Wednesday. Doesn't this just SUCK?
I am pretty much on a self-imposed internet ban (except for popping into these threads) because when I start googling, I alternate between freaking myself out and getting my hopes up. So I am staying away so at least I stay reasonably positive. I don't know how long the positivity will last for and I am trying not to read into ANYTHING, good or bad. I keep telling myself that people can be so sure that it has worked and it doesn't or so sure that it hasnt and it has, that how can I try and pick which way things will go, especially when really, what do I have to compare it with? One pregnancy 4 years ago? Or a miscarriage that started pretty much as soon as I got a bfp? So I am going to pretend I am clueless and hope it helps me through the next 6 days. DH has told me I'm not allowed to do any peesticks. Spoilsport - now he has to keep me entertained every minute of the weekend to stop me going mad.
Thanks for the input on sex and caffeine!!! I've closed up shop with poor old DH and I haven't had a coffee for . . . gulp . . . a week. And I would lie, cheat, steal ad kill for one right now!!! But I won't ;)
Idiot alert....
Me, I am talking about :(
Yep, that's right. I tested. I am dumb and I am stupid. In my defense, I was bored. I used a crystal clear (I hate them but I had one) and a first response (the dip one, not the early response one). It was at about 2pm this arvo so definitely not FMU lol...
Guess what the outcome was??? Surprise!! It was a BFN. Or, two BFNs if you count both tests.
I still have no symptoms except the mildest of cramping (milder than anyone has ever had in the history of cramping) very occasionally and this metallic taste in my mouth which I can't shake. More good news though! The metal mouth may be due to the metformin I am taking...so yay! Here's to another failed cycle :(
Stark white FRER with FMU this morning :(
Big fat fail.
N2L when is your BT? Me thinks that hands must be glued to knees to prevent poas :)
Next Wednesday Joeve. 10dpo today (8dp2dt). My experience is that FRERs show a pretty good line when your HCG is five (see my "knitting" pics from last cycle). At this stage my HCG would have to be at least 5 :(
:grouphug:
N2L I had a BFN @ 10DPO on FRER with DD1. It is still a little early. Although I do sympathise with you on the frustration of seeing just one line :(.
Still pretty damn early, chick. I loathe that feeling when you have resigned yourself to the fact it hasn't worked though. Big hugs to you hon, this sucks do damn much,
I am (trying) to not even think about things, it just stresses me out too much. I can't contemplate this not working. And dh won't let me poas. I only want to know the outcome if it's good news.
Saffy - happy transfer day, hope your lil snowbound thaw like champs :)
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For being so negative and self centred in my previous couple of posts.
I feel terrible I didn't even ask how you gals are doing. Sorry :(
Happy transfer day Saffy!!! I am praying this is the one for you :pray:
Melissa - I have a good feeling for you. Sending any sticky vibes I have left over the Tasman to you lovely girl. I reckon the world needs another little kiwi about now x
On my way to my first natropath appointment. Her name is Ruth Trickey. She is one of those renowned "babymaker" types. A former midwife. She does research with my FS. Thats the only reason i got in to see her. She normally doesnt take new patients. Will let you guys know of any pearls of wisdom she gives me. Although neither of you will need them :p
Much love to you both x
Hun you aren't self centered, this is the reality of LTTTC/AC :grouphug:. Sometimes you give, sometimes you take, right now it's expected and welcomed for you to be leaning on others.
Thanks M x I didn't even say hello to you before! How rude am I!!!
Well, the naturopath was really, really good. She was very "medical" (everything based on solid research) and not too "alternative", which puts me off.
In a nutshell, for egg quality she said high quality omega fish oil, selenium, high strength coQ10 (all month), and a high protein diet (30mg a meal).
I also need to get my insulin down and get my adenomyosis under control. She has prescribed particular things for that for me (a tonic, lecithin and grape seed extract).
She said it will take a couple of cycles to kick in but to go ahead with stim in December because she thinks I have been along the right track so far.
Girls : a long term ttc'er barging in : have a protein shake each morning, with 100 % weigh (sp)
Protein in it. Take your cq10 with it and I bet your embryo quality improves
Barges out now
One more thing : n2l : please don't poas, I had a negative frer with 27 hcg in my system : they can be wrong :grouphug:
Bengal - interesting. I didn't do the protein shake but did do the coq10 and our two embies were really good quality :)
Saff - how did things go yesterday?
N2L - awww thanks hun, I'd love a few more little kiwis running round too ;) hoping like anything your good feeling is right. I am a huge believer in naturopathy. My periods were all over the place a few years ago so went to see one, before we knew the extent of our problems. She took my history and told me my biggest problems were my digestive and immune system. Well, since then, I have been diagnosed with coeliac disease plus several autoantibodies pointing towards an autoimmune tendency. Plus the goodies she gave me had my cycles regular within the month and have pretty much been like clockwork since, minus the odd ivf induced hiccup. Hope like hell you have as much success too lovey :)
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Bengal- great tips, hopefully I won't need to to another stim, but if I do I will definately do this. Hope everything going well with your little ones xx p.s. its spelt whey protein if that is what you were talking about ;)
Melissa-sounds like you had good success with the natropath, heres hoping that success continues.... are you going to poas or hold out? Your BT is on Monday isn't it? :goodluck::crossfingers:
N2L- you're not being self-centered, you are in the tww and quite rightly freaking out. I agree, leave off poas for a few days at least, its a hard time near the end of the tww. Good news about the natropath, all those reccommendations are very do-able, and it does sound like you are on the right track. good to have this info. :bluedust::noaf:
AFM- tranfer went well, as i have complained about in other threads, I am concerned that my embie wasn't great but I am not going to freak out about it now, there is no point and it will either work or it won't, no amount of googling will change the outcome :lol: Going in for an acupuncture in a bit, then dropping my medicare form in, may as well get my money back asap. IF this doesn't work at least i will be able to do another fet next month, then looking at a stim in new year, but god knows where the money for that will come from. At least christmas is coming to distract us from tww torture. :2ww:
GOod luck girls, you are both doing well :SAAF:
Hello lovelies :)
Okay 99.9 percent sure I am out :(
Did another FRER yesterday afternoon (9dp2dt) and it was shockingly white. Too late for any hope methinks. Then, this morning, I am a bit crampy (first time this cycle). Going by my normal 15 day luteal phase, my period is due on Tuesday so I guess it's on it's way :(
I am very disappointed - of course. With each failure it feels less and less likely to happen. I think I am fooling myself and wasting my money. I will keep going though....for now.
I am slightly bouyed by my new regime as set out by naturopath. I am also happy that I am now taking metformin. I read a study that it can help with egg quality and quantity and fertilization rates....we shall see I guess *sigh*
I am going to go all out this month with diet, supplements, etc. Ideally I would like to wait to do another cycle early next year but financially, it makes more sense to do it now while we are still over the Medicare threshold. Basically, either way, I won't give birth before I turn 41 next June :(
I am posting in here more than the 2ww and LTTTC AC general thread for now because, honestly, I find it a little hard reading about first time successes. That sounds terrible, I know. And I really hope I don't offend anybody. I am really, genuinely thrilled for anyone who gets pg (especially through IVF) but it kind of hurts too as you are dealing with recurrent failure :(
Anyway, I hope you are all well and that your cycles end better than mine :pray:
Take care x
OMG OMG OMG did a test at lunchtime after I'd had a drink so I could pee and . . . BFP!!!!!!! I am totally in shock :0
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:leap: :leap: :leap:
I am SO, SO happy for you!!!!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Such great news! I am sitting here grinning from ear to ear for you :D
Wow Melissa - it's wonderful news. Very excited for you!
N2L - that's why this thread is here. It's so awesome sharing success with fellow longtermers, but sometimes you find it harder to share the joy with first-timers. :hug:
Saffy - fingers crossed xx
Melissa! Awesome! Great news... sending you lots of sticky vibes.
N2L I think of you often :grouphug:
Melissa- :confetti::leap::confetti: how exciting! Good for you hun- lucky last comes through! ( did Dh let you poas or did you cheat?)
N2L- i know this is a bit rich coming from me, who's written off her cycle already- but you are only 11 dpo!! There is still time for a bfp,although I know how hard it is to be in limbo land. If you are cramping with no AF then you are still in with a chance!!! Hanging in here is the best idea, theres no need to explain yourself, I know the feeling. I really like your plan ( hoping you don't need it) but i will be doing the same if I get a bfn- going to be hard to be strict over xmas though:lol: Hugs to you xx
AFM- nothing of course, 2dp5dt! Trying to pre-occupy myself!
Hi everyone else!
Thank you SO much girls. I will test again over the next few days and hopefully the line is going to get darker. I feel kind of overwhelmed - this is all new for me and DH and I honestly never thought it was going to happen for us. We don't know what the outcome will be as I will be quite high risk but for the time being, we are just going to enjoy it.
N2L - totally get what you mean that it is incredibly hard watching first-timers succeed when we have been at it so long - don't feel terrible as I feel the exact same way. And in agreement with Saffy, 11dpo is early to test and for what its worth, my boobs are not sore. Maybe if I poke and prod at my nipples but the poking and prodding are probably what causes the slight discomfort. Hang in there hon
Saffy - 2ww suck but dig in, little embie!! DH did relent and say I could poas but only if he was with me. I couldn't look because I really expected a bfn. I hate that this whole process beats you down so much that you don't believe it could ever work.
Hi all :)
Just thought I'd check in - even though I have got nothing much to report :lol:
Hope you are all well!
How are you going Melissa? Has the reality sunk in yet?? Have you done any more pee sticks? I really am so happy for you! Remind me when your HCG test is.....
Surviving Saff? Or have you gone a little nuts yet? Lol. When is your HCG date?
M - hope your stimming is going well. Looking forward go hearing how many follies you have on your first scan :)
Afm- like i said, nothing to say really. I am 11dp2dt. I havent tested again. I don't see the point really. No symptoms whatsoever. Boobs are normal, not tired, no nausea, appetite normal. That cramp I talked about yesterday never really "broke" and was gone within an hour of me posting. Nada since.
No PMS symptoms either. Apart from the good old fluid retention in the legs. My period is due on Tuesday. It will be interesting to see if it's on time...
Anyhoo, that's it for me for now.
Take care x
hey N2l- I'm 3dp5dt ( so 8 dpo), nothing much to report here either, I may have had some really mild cramps yesterday and today but I think i had a few cramps prior to my transfer and also straight after my transfer, so not letting my imagination get away from me. trying to keep busy. I feel quite tired today but I think I am just tired, nothing else.
Hopefully NO AF for you on Turesday, hey hang on thats only a day away, so you usually have spotting first?? I hope she never appears!! I wouldn't test again if I were you, the only real test is the BT anyway and poas are expensive.
Saying that i am thinking of testing this cycle, maybe 11DPO?? I know its stupid, but i want a heads up on a bfn so I can plan for next cycle.
Melissa- I'm sure your BT is tomorrow?? GOOD LUCK if it is- heres to high HCG numbers xx
Maruschke-hows the ovaries going? Hope you're not too uncomfortable but if you are its a great sign!
Hey hang on Saff!!! You told me that 11dpo was too early!!! :lol:
It's too tempting isn't it! :p
Eta: nah, not a spotter...
hahahaha, yes it is I know but for some reason i'm desperate to poas this time, All I meant was 11dpo was too early to make a definitive statement about being 'out' of the tww, cos a bfn at 11dpo can still turn into a bfp a few days later. Its really just because i have been stocking up with HPTs and I want to make sure i use them lol.
:rofl: Yeah, right..... :rofl::
ummmm.....ok, whats another excuse.....yeah I haven't got one.....lol
I was even thinking about doing one today, lame I know but I'm itching to poas for some reason
Just a quickie but hcg 11dp3dt was 300 so more blood on Friday and a scan in 3 weeks. Oh My God!!!
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300 :o
That's great!!!
Woo hoo!! :leap: