Long Term Assisted Conception - October '05 #2

Hey SuziQ, good to hear that the clinic will keep you updated. Just make sure you ask for all results and copies of your tests and file. But then again I'm fairly "anal" about filing/records etc LOL

......I don't know!!!!!! :-#

SuzAn*l is my real name. I didn't realize I could get copies of my test results? Must try that.

Sheree, lol, I was wondering where the other test was when I was reading your first post, perhaps we should share a double pack!!!

Sue, I had to double check what went on at your clinic, I think when doing IUI that was my fastest 'quickie'.
Re, the 6 pessaries, on my IUI cycles I had Pregnyl & pessaries, just give me the works.
Hmm, wonder if I could substitute some pessaries for Pregnyl shots. I should learn to get used to them since I'll have to continue for my first trimester (does that sound possitive or what, I think I'm getting better)

Bee, can't remember when your scan is, how's the follie count going?

Hi All,
Sheree - I want you to keep your eyes peeled for a 'PG 280' numberplate! Good to hear you're keeping your eyes open about those POAS! Hang in there.
Tam - keep up that positive thinking!
Sue - glad to hear your BT went well today! And yay to all the new recruits!! Lol on the name - took me a while to figure out... #-o
Hope things are doing well for you Bee - did you have a scan today?
Trish - hows the sniffing going?
Sushee - do you get the Thelma and Selma jokes at your work? Or do I just watch way too much Simpsons?

As for me, nothing, nup, nada zip going on here. Waiting on AF and then decide on whether to go this round or not. As you might see from the ticker, AF is taking its sweet ass time but that's ok - the longer it takes to arrive, the more likely I am to say "BRING IT ON"!!
Hope you're having a great evening.
Cheers
H

Heather
I was wondering about your CD - any chance on earth ? for al la natural ?
I won't presume to know and can't remember why you are doing IVF
or ask if you poas
but have you ?

Tip: Red wine does not taste so good after a sniff ...

give me a hint what is PG 280 ?

STOP RIGHT THERE SHEREE!

If my memory serves me correctly, you are one of the original "I never POAS" claimers from way back. You and Sush make me laugh. Quick to dish out the advice but even quicker to ignore that same advice.

Good to know you're as weak as p&ss as the rest of us.

Have a tim tam slam after the next one - I highly recommend it as therapy.

Trish -
Ahhh yes, I was curious and did a POAS about a week ago. Nah, no good. I've got PCOS and my cycles are all over the shop anyway. When I started my IVF cycles I had to take progesterone to bring on AF. Might have to do that again.

PG = pregnant. 280 = 40(wks) x 7(days).
hehehe

- books are calling.. :smt079
Cheers
H

hey I should have got that - #-o

Don't feel bad Trish, I would have posted the same question except my puter is on a go slow. So much for high speed broadband.

Sheree - am hoping the absence of symptoms is not an indicator for you, sweetie. But understand your feelings of frustration... :hug: and yep way too early for hpt - so dont you touch it... have yourself another Caramello Koala instead!

Bee - hope the scan went well. Did your gonal does get upped?

Tam - am hoping the sore bbs are a good sign. Despite having four pessaries a day I never had the sore bbs, so fingers crossed for you.

Sue - thats great that they are going to be keeping you well informed and great news for others who are going to be requiring a donor if they have "recruited" several new donors.

Heather - hope AF gets to you soon - she never shows when she's wanted does she? ](*,) By the way - how smart are you with the PG 280 thing - I didnt get it either #-o

Well today was the first time I cried at the docs surgery - damn it! Wasnt happy about allowing myself to cry like that, but really couldnt control it. Am going ahead again... a few things will be different this cycle. Closer monitoring of prog levels straight after transfer. Will be staying on the 100ui of Provera. Doc says does not want to go lower as is a fine line between not being enough and being too much (for me) and lower levels at the start do not give all follies the potential to grow... apparently.

You'd think Id be totally happy to be back in the game again, but am not yet. Cant explain why - guess as each chance goes by its usual to lose hope a little..

Hi everyone
What you're feeling is perfectly normal Keen. It's only been just over a week since you got your -ve remember. It's a grieving process. Always remember that and give your heart and mind time to heal. You're entitled. I'm amazed at you and other women who can hop straight back on. I can't afford to wait now due to my age, but in years gone by always had a break of 6 months - always too scared to have that disappointment again. You'll be fine :hug:
So, Sheree, how did you go?......
*Tam* back to work? The distraction may be good.
Blue, 42 day cycles as just not fair.
Hi to everyone else, gotta go and jab.
Love
Sue :luck:

OK OK I'm a hypocrite, it was the indigestion that did it to me oh and the pessaries.............I left the "other one" in the car and am ignoring it. ](*,)

Keen, Suz was right (I think) in that you've only just experienced a BFN and that type of thing stays with you awhile. Just because you are starting off on a less than optimistic approach doesn't mean it will effect the results of the next "round". Frequent cycling can be tuff. I have no tips for getting thru it, other than if you have made up your mind to do another one, then put your head down and focus on the challenge ahead. Please plan for some "you" time and "couple" time though.

Aaaah Tam, good to hear you are on an "upper". LOL re IUI being quickies, I like that one. =D>

Heather, aahhh waiting for AF. I still marvel at how we wait for her to come and then we wish her to stay away. I wonder if she has an ego problem.

PG 280 - good one!!!

You ladies are definitely coming up with some gems.

Thanks, it helps me pass the time and understand/feel that I'm not the only one doing this.

Keen, don't worry cos I know exactly what you mean. For some reason just before the first down reg scan on every cycle I get competely ratty and have the sh*%s with the world. You'd think I'd be happy to be back on the wagon but for some reason I freak out. It doesn't make it any better when you keep going back and "there is no reason why it shouldn't have happened by now". Oh well, I keep thinking it will be even better than a normal pregnancy when it does happen...

Sheree, I rely on you and Sushee for the wise old owl comments and advice and you go and do something like POAS this early??!! Stop being naughty and start being a role model for me :D

Hi Tam, Blue, Sue, Trish and Sushee. Hope I didn't miss anyone 8-[

Enough of the old Bee :D

In my defence, I was just testing my theories LOL, and the conclusion is what I have always beleived, HPTs do f*ck with your head O:)

Sorry, young and lovely Sheree. At least you learnt from your mistake and won't do it again...will you... 8-[

Forgot to tell you, I had about 8 follies on either side and have upped GonalF to 300. I've never been on 300 before so I'm very eggs-cited \:D/ I go back for another scan on Fri and should know then when pick up is.

Oops...can't have babies and can't use the computer properly either... 8-[

Bee your follie numbers are excellent.

yeah Bee you have a bumper number

goodluck

Keen, hunny, it is hard, this up and down and up and down, not knowing when the hell it's going to work, whether you're going to get to the finish line. It's emotional and it's tough, and it's understandable that you need time to grieve, be angry and be torn apart.

I always hear about how IVF/ LT TTC can change a person, how it's one of the most challenging things you can do in life. I think that's particularly true of IVFers/ARTers who have to face cycle after cycle of BFNs and disapointments. It's like nothing in the world to feel like your body is letting you down, like you're such a failure to not be able to do what even the crack addict down the street can do when she's off her face. I know how that feels.

And that's why I think this particular forum is so important. We all know how you feel, my sweet, and we feel it with you. And we will support you. And we will embrace you when you finally get that big pg belly (like they have me, thanks girls) You know we love ya, Keen!

Humphrey,

I tell everyone not to POAS, but I never intended it to apply to me!

Actually I am, and have always been, all for POASing. How could I not be when I've never done a cycle without spending at least $50 on various HPTs?

But I turned out to be the perfect example of why you shouldn't trust 'em. 11dpo with a -ve HPT and I was pg. You hear that, Sheree? Got an incorrect result at 11dpo, let alone 6dpo.

To all and sundry in the TWW, POAS to your heart's content! I suspect I encouraged Ali (bbtrail) so much she was using 4 a day!

love
sushee

Oh and the fact that I got the "Thelma/Selma" thing shows you that your'e not the only one who watches too much Simpsons, blue! Lucky my days of working the counter at a Licensing Centre are long behind me!

Bee, excellent number of follies, hopefully more to come with the increased dose!

SuziQ, where are you?

love
sushee

Sorry guys - have edited this post so as to not offend anyone.

Sheree - you go girl - I know this is the cycle for you.

Hey Humphrey, if I had a magic wand I would give all the ladies a BFP so that we all can progress to the pg threads. All I can do though is let you know how my experiences have effected me. I detect a tone of offense from you??

Hi everyone, just another real quickie - at work - they're pretty strict here. Behave Trish!
Got my BT results, all baseline levels are nice and normal. Nurse gave me the figures which actually mean nothing to me - I can feel a spreadsheet coming on....
My ovarian reserve score was 10.1. That's a little higher than I would have liked, but the doctor has no concerns about it at all so I'll trust him. That won't stop me hopping on the puter tonight and checking it out though!! We all have our little weaknesses don't we?
Ciao for now
Sue
:luck:

Hey excellent news Sue. If you like, email me and I can give you a link to a site that goes through the different hormone levels at different times. Plus you can have a look at my pride and joy, spreadsheets that is LOL

God no Sheree!!! I'm just trying to be funny. Sorry stoopid internet doesn't pick up my sense of humour very well. Hope I didn't offend you honey!! This whole thing just sux and I just try to lighten the mood a bit. I admire your strength and determination and it's good to see you do silly things like POAS way early like I do.

Think I'll go and bury my head in the sand now - gotta keep my big trap shut.

Hi girls,

just wanted to know if any of you received a reply from Tony Abbott re the Medicare cuts to IVF from earlier this year? I wrote to him easily 5 months ago at least and only recently got a reply.

His letter to me talked about sympathy for my personal situation (not in those words) but how the govt must decide the most cost effective way of spending taxpayers money, and must make hard decisions on all sorts of treatments and their value for money (again I'm paraphrasing, but you get the picture) and that Australia has the cheapest IVF avlb in the world.

I feel like writing back about how, after 5 stim cycles and 3 FETs, I finally fell pg, and had his '4 cycles a year' rule come in, I would not likely be pg today. That while his govt thinks nothing of funding abortions and an increase in maternity payment, it seems hypocritical to then say that IVF should be more expensive when nearly 1 and 6 women will need assistance to fall pg at a time of Australia's declining population.

How does it make sense to make it more attractive for one segment of society for fall pg (the fertile ones) and on the other hand make it more difficult for another segment of society (the ones struggling with infertility) to have children? DH and I spent over $15k on IVF, and have never asked for it to be free, but would simply like a fair go. If you can hand out $3000 per child (soon to be $4000), whether unplanned, unwanted or uncared for, why not then help people who are getting into hock already to achieve their dream of having a child. These children would definitely be planned, wanted and cared for. What sort of parents do we want for our children anyway?

While he did say in his conclusion that no decisions about IVF funding would be made until the independant review was completed early next year, I think the outcome may already be a foregone conclusion by the way his letter was leaning.

Just thought I'd let you girls know.

Love
sushee

=D> With you 100% on that one Sush. Totally!
How is everyone?
Doing a sneaky at work so can't do personals, but hope you're all and travelling ok. Especially Sheree and *Tam* wading through the murky 2ww.
Hormones are playing havoc with me already. Hate to think what this 2ww is gunna be like if the last 2 days are anything to go by....
Love
Sue

Sue, how's your ready on ovarian reserve going? There's always something new to learn isn't there.

Sush, not sure what to say about the letter, damn pollies!

Bee, happy follie growing

Trish, have you seen the witch yet?

I've got a spotting problem, started Tuesday night. I spoke to my clinic & she said that it's probably from the low P4 levels from Monday's BT. I thought it'd gone but it's still there, Not much, but a bit too red for my liking.
Nurse said not to worry but it's going to make for a long week.

Hope you're holding out too Sheree.

Tam - hang in there & Sheree too

The witch has been here but hopefully heading away for 9 months [-o< from all of us

Hi everyone
Oh *Tam*, that first spot feels like being kicked in the g*ts doesn't it? We all know it can be implantation bleeding though so try not to worry?
How are you feeling Sheree? Hope you're going ok.
Hey Blue, where are you.....
Hi Trish, Sush, Keen, Bee and anyone else sashaying in here, hope you're all rolling along.
I'm having a Mental Health Day today. Safer for my colleagues. Can't believe the effect my meds have had on my head so quickly. Or maybe it's the fact that the go-ahead happened so quickly when I'd just about resigned myself to this ride being over for me. Teary, snappy, paranoid 8-[ So, I'll be flopping around and having a nice rainy day on the lounge.
Take it easy.
Love
Sue :luck:

Hi Sue
have a nice days sweet and not too many Mint slices
have you got lots of sick leave - good you work for council.
I checking messages quickly then have to work today :-s

BBL

You have to work??? Hmmmm, I guess that means we won't see you on-line until tonight then......
Nah, not sick leave. Flexi time. I usually try to work an extra 30 - 45 minutes a day. This is time in lieu....

Well I will work start on the hour (10am)
Time in leiu - great idea

BBL today after I do my set goals /things I have to do today

I am trying to limit my night time net time - DH is less than impressed and I feel like we have so little time together - even though we work together I am in office he is outside and in 'workshop' so we go for hours without actually talking and not about private stuff ...

I'll pop in all day :) though

Morning ladies. No symptoms here I'm afraid #-o
Sue I'm jealous of your flexi time, think of us plebs working won't you.

Sheree, I've made a new rule. No symptoms is good symptoms.

Trish - It all speeds up now....good luck.

Hello Ladies,

I've been lurking and keeping an eye on progress. Thinking of you all ... we are due for some luck and good news soon from some people here.

Tam - hoping that spotting isn't anything to worry about.

Bee - those follie numbers sound excellent. Go kids, go!

Trish - Good luck for this cycle, pet.

Sush - I got that crap letter too not so long ago. God he's a self-righteous jerk! I ripped mine up into little pieces.

Suzi - I get the flex days too ... working a few extra extra hours lately has helped. Handy isn't it?

Sheree, Blue, Humphrey, Keen and others - hang in there girls.

I'm so out of the loop now ... this weekend is the ABSOLUTE END of my work commitments for the time being so I can get back into some serious prowling on BB (and some serious cleaning around this joint).

Talk to you all soon,

Mel

Tam,

the spotting must be worrying, but I'd like to think the nurse is right and everything's fine. Your P4 levels do seem to be getting worse it seems with each cycle though. Hopefully the close monitoring will correct any problems so that you get your BFP on Wed next week.

Sheree, I agree with Sue, no symptoms is good symptoms! Remember that you don't get ms and sore boobs until your HCG is in the 100s, and some women don't get symptoms ever.

Blue, hope you get some time today to pop in and say hello.

Bee, how're the follies coming along?

Trish, I understand about trying to limit the time on the computer. DH and I also work together, have lunch together and come to and from work together. Still he feels like I'm on the puter all day at work and he doesn't like me on the puter at home as well. Couple this with the kids fighting for internet, and I just don't usually bother when at home.

Keen, where are you.....?

Yay on it being Friday! BBL when there's another lull at work.

love
sushee

Tam, to be completely honest, I've never had a nurse that has told me anything other than the cold hard truth. No "I'll be gentle because your delicate" or "I'll sugar it up a bit". If it has been bad they have always told me so...so I'm sure your nurse is doing the same and you will be fine.

Mel, good to see you around - I hope baby (is it still Apple?) is doing really well.

Sheree, I'll agree with the no symptoms is good symptoms mantra. I'm starting to get excited for you :luck:

Sue, Keen, Sushee, Blue and Trish - it's nearly the weekend and I hope you all have a really good one!

I had another scan today and I have 13 follies - all between 14-18 (except for one rogue 8). I've never had this many before so I'm really happy. OPU on Tues or Wed next week - I will ring this arvo to find out. \:D/