no probs hun - that list was my saviour when i first joined BB!
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no probs hun - that list was my saviour when i first joined BB!
Hi everyone,
I've been MIA for a little while (struggling a bit at the moment) - but thought I would drop in to say hello and see how everyone is doing.
Welcome to all the lovely new ladies here - minimay, Sue, indie74, RH76, WannaBeAMum & tish. Sorry that my greetings are a bit late! I hope that 2008 brings success to you all :)
Angel Babies - You're definitely in the right place to discuss IVF, even though there are people discussing a number of types of Assisted Conception here :) All the acronyms here can be really confusing and they have a tendency to make you feel out of the loop at first. There's even a section on IVF acronyms in the page BG gave you a link to. I'm very sorry to hear of the loss of your angel babies :hugs: Please feel free to ask any questions you may need - everyone is incredibly supportive and caring here and it's the right place to be to receive advice and information from others who may have gone through a similar thing to you. We're here for you if you need. Ask away :)
jbub - GL - I hope your scan goes well today. It's hard when you're in your first cycle as there are lots of unknowns, especially relating to how your body is going to respond to the stim drugs. It makes it difficult to put your trust in your FS at first. But they will take care of you, and they will adjust things in your cycle as needed. BG said a few days ago (I think!) that it's far better to be under-stimulating than over-stimulating and that they can adjust your dose and have more control this way. This is very true. In my first IVF cycle, I under-stimulated at first, combined with having AF arrive very late when I was already on the stims. I stayed on the Gonal-F a couple of days longer than anticipated as a result and everything ending up coming together in the last couple of days - I had 9 eggs collected :) How's the piano going? I play piano for relaxation too (I'm a piano teacher) and taught lots of adults that have decided to start playing for enjoyment and for the challenge, and it's been wonderful for them. It really helps take your mind off things when you have to concentrate, doesn't it?
SaltPrincess - with regard to telling people about our IVF treatment, I'm a little like you. I'm compulsively honest and find that in conversation with friends and family I tell people how I'm feeling and what's going on for me without any prior intention to. Sometimes I think it's a response to the intensity of how I'm feeling - I've got to get out what's going on otherwise when it stays in it's harder to contend with. It tends to happen in conversations with people I love and trust, of course, and certainly not with random people! ;) I don't regret telling some of the people I've told so much as would have hoped they would see the significance of telling them and how I'm feeling a little more. But in your own journey it's difficult to expect people to understand what you're going through. Sorry for the extended waffle here - just wanting to say I understand where you're coming from :)
scooby - you have a right to know clearly what has been happening in your treatment. Not the least for your peace of mind. I think a list of questions for your FS is a great idea - then you can go in there and be assertive and say to your doctor: "These are the things I'm confused about and I want clarity and understanding and I need your answers and clear information for this". If he is not willing to provide this or unable to, then it may be time to seek a second opinion and a doctor who is more communicative and empathetic to how you are feeling. Good Luck.
CarlaMP - I'm sorry to hear December wasn't successful for you. I hope the wait for AF goes quickly. I have heard from Melsta recently - she's had a hectic time around Christmas and new years hence she hasn't been posting in the pregnancy threads so much, but she is doing ok. Maybe you could try PMing her?
Minimay - good on you for going to get the information and the answers that you need. I hope the scientist you're going to see can help shed some light for you :) Can I ask what the Clexane was for specifically? My understanding is that it is a drug used for blood clotting disorders (or lack of clotting).
Just wondering if anyone knows how Kell is doing? I haven't seen her post in here recently...
There's so many more people that I'd like to post personals to, but unfortunately I think I have to keep moving - more house packing awaits. But to everyone else - W1, Blayz, TL, BG, emma83, BW and anyone else I may have missed, I hope that you are doing ok in your respective cycles (or waiting) for now.
As for me, AF has behaved this stim cycle and came only 2 days late, so I had my down-reg scan yesterday and all looks well. I start stims tonight and I'm forecasting based on the schedule that EPU should be the same day as the removalists are here to dismantle our house - ahhh the ironies of life, yet again.
Hugs to everyone. Thinking of you lots.
Miss C
Been meaning to welcome all of our new members as well, but life is interfering with my BB time lately! So welcome to everyone. Thanks to BG for pointing out the abbreviations list. That was my next job :)
No personals from me today. Too far behind again. Will aim to stay ahead of the game now.
No news from us. Just truckin' along.
anytime slyder!
Back to the clinic today for another BT/scan combo. Things are progressing 'perfectly' apparently which is really positive to hear. My follies are growing - YAY!!! I was really nervous after our first attempt at IVF failed because the follicles didn't grow, I was expecting to go in and for them to say that they hadn't again, but it looks like they are doing the right thing finally! I have 13 follicles 5mm or bigger and 22 less than 5mm so I'm really hoping that we get lots out of it. Dr Junk said that the average number of eggs retrieved for PCOS patients is around 11, but you don't really know how many you will get until OPU.
So OPU is booked in for Monday - I can't believe it's so close!!! Which means trigger injection is tomorrow night which scares the cr*p out of me. Because i have to do 10000iu HCG, I have to use the glass ampules and draw up the injection myself instead of just using the normal pre-filled syringe. Am trying not to work myself up too much about it. I also have to go in to the clinic on Sunday for my 'big bleed' - couldn't they hve come up with a better name for it?!?!?! To help the follicles mature, they use some of my blood in the culture, so lucky me has to bleed out for that. Fun, fun, fun. I also have to take eostrogen tablets from Sunday, and then crinone from Tuesday.
OMG it is all really happening!!!!!!!!
ooh - that sounds so much less stressful than aiming for lots of dominant follies! i'm watching your progress on the IVM front with interest Bec
Hmmm... just spoke to the clinic and my OPU has been pushed back to Tuesday because my hormone levels aren't high enough yet? No big drama I guess...
Thank You so much for the list of abreviations. I ve copied them to my desktop. Not saying i ll get in and use them straight away but at least i will know what you are all sayng. Even TTC had me stunned. I was thinking what the heck is TTC, is it painful, can you catch it. Is there medication for it. Then I read 'Trying To Conceive' and I almost lost my breath laughing.
Not that what we go through TTC (there i used it) is funny, just my nievity to this whole process is amuzing at times.
As for whether we are going to try IVF again, well I just do not know. We have not had a positive experience with our FS (wow i m on a roll now with these abreviations). In fact our experience with our FS was incrediably bad. He needs to pull his head out of clinical world and land on this planet for a second if he is going to keep his 'customers'. At 14k a go you would think he would like the odd repeat customer. :doctor:
In my living on the internet lately trying to work things through I have found a place that is raved about, so we have thought that we would try that. Unfortunatly that had a segment on TV and now have a waiting list, at 38 I dont have time to wait. :p. So we have been put on it through correspondance. Its a place on the Gold Coast called Sharkeys. My son, who is now 18 was telling me all about some friends of his fathers who were told they wouldnt conceive on IVF got a BFP (wow another abreviation, i m cookin with gas now!!!!) anyway I digres, they got a BFP using this Sharkeys place. So we filled out the indeapth questionaire and sent it off and have placed our order which takes 6 weeks. Who knows.... just might work :dunno:
So that is where we are at. On a day to day basis I miss my 2 little angel babies but for about the first time I feel like there is a future. I am noticing things today that I havent seen for a while. I have been off on another planet for a while now and today i actually feel half normal. Fingers crossed it continues. :crossfingers:
14K a go? That would have to be an Australian record, surely?
Sorry for your losses, AB.
We still sit here and question the origional amount we were told..... but that s what it has added up to be, my credit card sadly shows it all. I even got another bill in the mail the other day, from a 'surgery assistant' someone that came in to help with, why i dont know, but helped in what must have been the egg pick up. They apparently assisted him and then sent the bill to me. From the initial consultation through to the last one, him telling me it s just a bit of tissue, flush it. all in all 14k. (each consultation.... which takes anywhere from 3 minutes through to ohhh maximum 12 minutes.. was 67 dollars) I questioned once the continual bills and what did the 5880 that we were origionally quoted cover, oh that covers blah blah blah but doesnt cover this.
Anyway, its all done now. Onward and Upwards from here :rolleyes:
Hi ladies I came across this forum while searching the net yesterday and it is nice to know that others are going through similar circumstances as us to have a precious little bundle of joy. I find the nurses at the clinic wonderful and friendly but other clients don't really give eye contact or say hello, yet alone discuss the issues we are all going through, so it has been great to be able to read about how others are going on this rollercoaster journey.
I am currently on my 5th IVF cycle. Have had 2 BFP but they unfortunatley ended in miscarriage.
My DH has been wonderful, so supportive and oh so patient while giving daily injections.
Like LeeBS I have had a supportive boss and co workers, they told me before Xmas that they on the rollercoaster with me and they're all sending out positive vibes for that baby to stick.
I had EPU on Wednesday and they found 15 eggs which amazed me as I have only 1 ovary. 10 fertilised but this time FS has opted for a day 5 transfer, blastocyst, which we haven't had before. From reading these forums I am now wondering if I'll have any embies left by monday afternoon!!! Keeping fingers crossed as this has been the toughest cycle on my body.
Thanks for sharing your journeys.
BD
Had my BT and scan yesterday. My oestrogen levels were still fairly low so my FSH dosage has been increased from 225 to 375 a day. I have 5 10mm follicles on my left ovary which the FS said will be very easy for him to get to. The BAD news is that I have a 4 cm endometrioma on my R side. This is only 3 and a half months after laparoscopy. I think it has been there for 2 months too because thats when the pain on that side first started. My Dr said we will just concentrate on the L side for now. Getting pg is most important thing at the moment and I will have to put up with the pain. He said we will get aggressive with my IVF treatment so i can get pg asap before too much endo grows back (i have a very severe case). I wonder if that means we can have 2 embryos transferred if we get 2?? We were previously told only one. We would be so over the moon to have twins. I am having another bt and scan on monday so will ask him then.
As you can imagine it was very upsetting to hear about the return of the endo. It REALLY sux. I have had 2 surgeries in the last 6 months already.
Feeling a bit better today and trying to just focus on the possibility of getting pg and trying to ignore the endo.
Hi BD - Welcome to BB :) Sounds like you've found the virtues of the LTTTC & AC thread already! It's a great place, 'tis! :D Congratulations on the great number of eggies and the fertilisation rate. It sounds like a really positive cycle so far. I can imagine waiting five days to see how your embryos have fared is difficult - I had a two day transfer and that was hard enough. I hope you receive good news on your embryos tomorrow and wish you all the best of luck for transfer and the TWW.
jbub - I'm sorry to hear about the return of the endo. I think AF and endo must be working on the same team. They bring rotten news and make you feel like c**p. Your FS sounds like an understanding person - really prepared to do what is necessary to help you fall pregnant. I wish you lots of luck with the rest of the stims and hope those follies continue to grow, grow, grow!
I really do not believe I m actually about to say this, but thanks to the time I have spent so far on BB and the people I have spoken to, I feel as though I just might be able to find the strength to give IVF another go. I really do not think I could face the same FS again he s a heartless thing. But I m sure there are ladies in here that have a Brisbane FS that they would recommend.
So my thought is at this stage. Start on my herbal drink, get healthy, maybe even exersice....' cough ' ' cough' and then start another cycle in may. Hopefully by then DH :sperm: might be swimmin a little better and there might be a better result in fertilized eggs. This cycle just gone only 2 of the 9 actually did hence none were frozen. That was through what is it ICIS.... cant remember.... where the swimmers are injected.
So Thank You to those I have spoken with and come across over the last 2 weeks, firstly for helping me in the greiving process but also for giving me the strength to consider going again. As one lady answered when I asked her how she keeps going...... "You Just Do"
ii'm glad BB has helped you find some strength AB - it's not always easy - sometimes it's downright hard - but i think the support on here makes it more bearable. we'll be hear for you through whatever comes over the next few months
and you're right, sometimes "you just do"... there's no other way to put it!
AB - glad you have found the strength (IF you are looking for a Brissie Exercise friend PM me)
BD - Welcome and GL with this week :bluedust:
Jbub - hope the endo clears and the postive is stronger :)
Me off to Melbourne for work this week so may be awol for a while. Starting to save for the Lap in Mrach and our April round
BG... wonder who that wise person was :dunno:
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i may have imparted that particular wisdom to you, but so many others have imparted the same wisdom over time - and i'm pretty sure i've had more than one long termer say it to me...
now stop dobbin me in! :p
Me....... Dob Someone In................... Never:dance:
Trigger injection is done now thank goodness. I just took it all very slowly, did some deep breathing and got through it. It stung like hell but am very glad it's behind me now! Now I have to go to the clinic tomorrow morning for my 'big bleed' and OPU is on Tuesday - it's all hapening!
Hi Miss C just getting back to you re clexane. Yes you are correct it is used for blood clotting etc but also used in older women to get uterus blood flow happening and to help the embryo stick (that is if its a good one) our last cycle was the first time we used it but no sticking this time.
AB - it's really good to hear that you are feeling like you can look forward. I think looking forward is the first step to healing from things that have happened. It allows moving forward to happen then, in time :) I thought I would mention that like you, in my first cycle I had nine eggs collected, and we only ended up with 2 viable embryos, through ICSI (I had one transfered - BFN - and the other is frozen). 3 fertilised on the first day, and 2 of those went on to continue growing the next day. Our 2 embryos were very good quality, but the reason my other eggs didn't fertilise is that they were slightly under-mature, and didn't finish the maturation process in vitro (IV) before fertilisation, which is expected when slightly under-mature eggs have been collected. I know that your FS has been lacking in bedside manners, to say the least, but were you given any indication whether there was any and what the cause was for the low fertilisation rate? Can you ask? The reason I say this is because if you are aware of anything (such as under-matured eggs, like me) it means that the new FS that you choose for your next cycle will have some valuable information to help achieve a better fertilisation rate. I'm on a higher dose of Gonal-F (FSH) this time and my FS now knows what size my follicles need to be in order to maximise their maturation before collection. She expects us to have a much better fertilisation rate this time round - if everything goes smoothly up to collection. Hope this is helpful, and I wish you all the best in having a rest and feeling strong and well again :)
Bec - very excited for you! Glad you got through the trigger ok. I hope you're resting up well before your OPU on Tuesday, and I wish you lots of luck for your "big bleed" (charming term lol) today. I will be thinking of you. Lots of fluids when you get home!! :D
minimay - thanks for clarifying :) I didn't realise Clexane was used for that purpose. It's amazing the different ways in which a drug can be used because of the effect it can have on the body. I really hope your next cycle is a success - will you be on Clexane again, do you think?
No news is good news from me - we're three-quarters of the way through the packing up of the house, with a week and a half to go before the removalists are here. Stims are going well - have had three injections so far, no problems. Will be seeing a clinic counsellor on Wednesday to help with the mental/emotional stuff so I'm looking forward to that, actually. Scan for follicles is on Thursday, and will know more about when to expect EPU then.
Hope everyone is well and hugs to you all,
Miss C
As I was reading through your reply I felt like such a novice. I m no good with Medical Terminology...... Never have been, the names and the terms go in one ear and out the other. So I ll answer your questions in point form just to make it a tad easier on the beginner here..........me.
Ironically my fertility rate was identical to yours. A third egg did fertilize but wasnt good enough. From memory he said something about grading s from 1 to 4. Apparently the 2 that were transferred were 3.5 s and the third one was 2. He decided that the third egg would not survive being frozen.
I have not heard of under mature eggs before. He was "very happy" with my eggs so i can only assume considering who this FS talked "very happy" would be someone elses version of "fantastic".... everything was talked in the negatives with this FS. So I suppose that my eggs were fine, I ll have to read more on Under Mature eggs. see i learn more from this web site than i have with him....... Goodness I hope you lot dont give me a bigger bill than he did..............
As for the reasoning behind them not fertilizing......... Our biggest problem is with DH swimmers. The percentages were VERY low. We have been working on that!!!!!!
As for my dosage. I was on 450 which is the highest. Apparently I m old and overweight so I needed the full dosage.........
All information I have will be passed on to the new FS after I have been to many and picked one that suits us better this time. His comments to us after transfer was that he wasnt expecting anything to happen.... after all its only the first time he has touched me..... he will know more next time...... Which of course there will not be a next time... for him at least.
Goodness..... I sound like a complaining thing when the subject of FS comes up. I read other peoples post who think their FS was wonderful..... I think I m really going to have to try and put it behind me and focus now on finding one that IS good.
Angel Babies, the important thing to remember in all of this is that you need to find an FS you are comfortable with. You wouldn't continue to take your car to a mechanic that you weren't comfortable with, so there's no reason to treat your body any differently! My apologies for equating cars with bodies!
I will have to say that overall, I'm very happy with my FS... but there's been times where I have been absolutely fuming angry with some of the things he has done, and said some extremely unflattering things about him! But, I know that I do get the answers I need from him (mostly), and when I've been in a calmer, better state, I know that I fully deserved the butt-kickings I got from him!
I don't think any one is ever completely 100% satisfied with their FS, they are people too, in the end. It's a matter of finding one you can be happy enough with where the things that you are unhappy with aren't things that you find extremely important. I'm not sure if that makes sense?
BW
Thanks for the welcome ladies.
Well today we go in to see how many embies have made it to the blastocyst stage,
my DH assures me not to worry, we'll have something to transfer. Here's hoping.
Jbub I only have my left ovary and this has a 3cm endometrioma but I'd thought I'd reassure you that even with this you are still able to achieve good egg numbers. For our 1st cycle we collected 7 and last Wed there were 15 mature eggies. My FS has opted to not do anything about the endo as he doesn't want to disturb anything while things are working and while I am on Lucrin, which was 4 weeks before starting FSH this time, it hasn't appeared to get any larger. Apparently down regulaton can help slow things in some cases. So you may be suprised that you can also get eggs for your right ovary too!! Good luck :pray:
AB, when I started on BB I too felt such a novice with any medical terminology to do with IVF. But I gained so much knowledge through being here on BB and it just takes time. We are all here to look after you and make sure you understand and get the information and support you need. We were all beginners once, so we understand how you feel, hun :hug:
It's good that you can rule out the under-mature eggs - it's one less issue to be concerned about - so don't stress about reading up about it if you don't want to and you know there is no issue - I just thought it was worth mentioning as we had such a similar scenario in our respective fertility rates. With the information you do have, you get to focus on what can help make the next cycle a success :) I know this is what has helped me deal with our unsuccessful first cycle.
BW's analogy about FS and the cars is spot on, and explains it so well. I can extend on that in my own way that I view it and say that you wouldn't trust your car/house/belongings in the hands of someone who you didn't like and respect, so how could it be any different with such wholly vital and sensitive things as your own body, you and your partner's fertility and your potential children? Dealing with such sensitive things as these requires the matching sensitivity. This sensitivity is what earns your trust and respect.
I wish you lots of luck in finding a new FS who is sensitive, empathetic and understanding. They are out there, Angel Babies. You now know what to look for and know what you need and I'm sure you will have a much better experience and the new and bright hope of new life with the new doctor you choose.
Lots of hugs,
Miss C
Hi Everyone
Wow! I have been MIA for about a week (I think, time escapes me) and boy have I got some catching up to do.
Welcome to all the new people. I look forward to catching up on your progress & supporting you on your TTC journeys.
TL, Miss_C, BecD, BW & BG - hi, hope you are all going well.
Me - still waiting for next appt. I sold my car though about 2 weeks ago, so have purchased a new one & am waiting to pick it up (hopefully tommorrow or Wednesday). Yay! Can't wait, have been driving hubby's big Patrol & man, is it hard to park! I have just been enjoying not being on any drugs at the moment. It has been great - I am feeling more balanced than I have in a long time.
Well, take care all & I will try to keep up from now on.
Hi everyone
This is just a quick post to say hello to everyone for 2008. A lot has happened since my last post, including moving interstate, changing jobs and (obviously) changing FS and clinic. It has been a very busy few months - I was amazed to find that my last logon was September last year!
Anyway, I haven't had a chance to catch up with what is going on in this thread, but hello to all those I have yet to meet and hugs to those who I already know, although I am pleased to see there aren't too many names I know - I can only hope that means that they have moved onto the pregnancy support threads!
I do have a quick question for you all - I just found out today that my FS has left SIVF in Canberra (a dispute with the management apparently) and is now referring her patients to Dr David Knight at Next Generation in Sydney. He will be involved for the procedure part only - my FS in Canberra will do all the blood tests, medications, monitoring etc. I would appreciate anyone's experiences of Next Generation and Dr Knight in particular. Many thanks in advance.
To everyone, wherever you are at in your cycle, wishing all the best of luck!
Take care all,
Cheryl
Welcome back stranger! I wondered what had happened to you and hoped you might return. Oh, by the way I was 'Rols' last time you were here. It's still me though.
Don't even bother trying to catch up, it would take a month of reading :)
Hi Slyder
I have only just figured out who you are. I was wondering what was going on with you. No luck with the frozen embies then?
Cheryl
Nah, first FET cycle was BFN (one t'ferred), but we're using our last two blasties next month which we're both really looking forward to. Have nurses appt. tomorrow morning to get things rolling.
I did hear about the kerfuffle involving your FS. There was a big stink about how SIVF went about their monumental price hike. There's a thread about it somewhere. Anyway she was a victim of that I think - a voice of dissent I believe.
Hi everyone
I have joined up today so forgive me if I make any errors - never been on a forum before.
I am preparing to start IVF/ICSI next month for the first time. I have tried IUI and clomid cycles in the past but to no avail. I had a Hysteroscopy and Lap last week and had stitches out today and a bit sore and sorry. I am very nervous but also excited and understand when you all state that the waiting is the hardest bit.
I love reading the forums and they normally make me cry but only cos everyone is going through the same sort of thing that I am and it makes it so much easier to relate!
Hey Kyles. Welcome! Glad to have you on board.
Kyles welcome :)
Hi Chez - welcome back. David Knight is my FS - what exactly is it that you want to know?
I can tell you that he appears to be a big fan of ICSI, will be hard on you with regards to overall physical health (weight in particular), and is also very focussed on maintaining a positive frame of mind throughout. But if you're only going to be using Next Gen for EPU and embryo transfer, you probably won't encounter a lot of that stuff. EPUs are done under general anaesthetic at Castle Hill Day Surgery - I've been there twice, with a few adventures, but it's been ok. My two EPUs were done by two different doctors (one with David, one with another NGF FS, Kim Matthews), both held my hand while I went under anaesthetic and were great. After collection, I have a scientist call me every day to update me on how my embryos are going - with blast transfer, that's pretty much six days. With the last one, I even had nurses checking up on me later because of the OHSS and being in hospital - they were quite concerned with how I was going in the lead up to collection. Embryo transfers are done back at the clinic (unless you need a general anaesthetic for some reason), and the scientists, nurses and everyone else I've encountered at the clinic have been brilliant. I know things have changed when medicare started giving rebates for ICSI, but before that they simply did not charge extra for ICSI, they do have an extra fee for blastocyst culture, which they'll generally do if you have three or more embryos at day three. David treats things aggressively - probably part of the reason I've hyperstimulated twice, but he'd prefer that to only getting 2-3 eggs, and it doesn't appear to be effecting my egg quality... just the way I do things, apparently.
If there's anything else you want to know, just ask! I know I've ranted and raved and said all sorts of nasty things to him/about him in the past, but he really is good at what he does. Hopefully I've made up for some of the nasty stuff I've said before with that glowing reference!
ETA: Welcome, Kyles. I've been so busy singing the praises of my FS that I missed your post!
BW
Hi everyone - gosh, there are alot of new names floating around now - welcome to you all!
I'm not so chirpy as i was when i last posted... i think last Thursday... DH and I had lovely w/end in sydney, but have just had appt with FS and there seems to be a clear pattern developing with my temp charts, that indicate that i'm only ovulating every second cycle... i think we have only just picked up on it because i've actually only now completed 4 cycles of temping in a row - where as in the past i would temp for 2 or 3 cycles, then give it a break for a bit (i needed the mental break!) So i guess it is really good that we know something new about my cycles, but i'm a little disappointed too :(. So, i also had scan today, and there isn't much happening in re. to developing follies... which fits in with the pattern, as last cycle was great temps, and great prog. levels.... sooooo, after all this, i'm having BT tomorrow to check prog levels, then another scan on Thursday to check follie development, but not expecting any changes really.
My FS wants me to continue on with # 4 clomid cycle (assuming i don't fall pg this cycle), and really monitor everything closely, maybe do trigger shots with Pregnyl (sp?) geez, i really feel like i'm getting right into the thick of things now, and i just never thought i would find myself here, but, here i am!
I'm starting to ramble, so will wrap it up now, sorry for lack of personals, i need to catch up properly on where others are at.
Warm wishes to everyone. tp xx
Hi
Thanks so much for your welcomes :)
I feel I am a long way behind as I have not done any actual IVF/ICSI cycles yet but am finding out helpful info for the future.
I have done the Pregnyl, trigger injections etc when I did my two IUI cycles so know some of what you are experiencing :rolleyes:
Kyles, don't feel bad. Many of us have started with IUI or clomid and have later moved on to IVF and ICSI. For some - it's been straight to IVF and ICSI. The actual path for any couple depends a lot on the factors that are effecting infertility. And when it comes down to it, there appears to be very little difference between IUI and IVF - just the whole egg collection and transfer bit! The medications are exactly the same.
Thanks again - especially butterflywarrior
I never thought I would go the full IVF AC because I have fallen pregnant naturally once,on clomid and also through IUI but alas first pg resulted in D & C at 12 weeks and second two were considered "bio-chemical pregnancies" at 6 and 5 weeks.
I know that since I have been trying for 5 years it sounds like I am a bit slow off the mark but I gave myself 12 months off last year when I was going to a Naturopath to try yet another way of falling :wall:
I found the Naturopath wonderful in being able to lose the weight that has been plaguing me and I have now managed to keep off but unfortunately no pg resulted :cry:
hi kyles
i have to back bw up on what she's said - ivf really isn't that different to iui - i've done clomid (no response) and several iui's. the only difference iui to ivf was the level of drugs, and then epu - transfer of the embie is almost the same as the process for the actual iui - cept i got to see my embie on the monitor as it's done under u/s to make sure it's in the right place!
ask away hun - we're here to help where we can!